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Leaving HPRP-Work Suggestions?

LaylaR LaylaR (New) New Nurse

I’ve been in HPRP for 7 weeks and have decided to quit this so-called non-disciplinary (per HPRP), free-of-charge (per LARA website...of course that doesn’t include all the testing fees and therapists’ fees) “program”. I got into it completely by mistake: in trying to find a therapist to help me thru many stressors in my life, I called the HPRP phone number, admitted I drank 4-5 times a week, and got sucked into the system. I’d never heard of HPRP before. I contacted a lawyer before signing the monitoring agreement, but he basically said to me, “Once HPRP has their claws in you, you can’t get out.” My life has been horrible since “joining”/being a “participant” in this “program”....stressed, angry and depressed over the cost, time, and feeling demoralized. I don’t need this, and it’s not worth it to me to retain my license. So, I’m getting out of HPRP. I’m a new nurse but I’m older, and I know my license will be suspended. So my question is...Does anyone know or have suggestions on what kind of work I will be able to do? Will I be able to be a caregiver or a nursing assistant? Thanks for your replies.

somedudeinarizona, BSN

Specializes in Emergency/Trauma.

You're really new to this program. Yes, it is expensive as hell! But, the saying that really pissed me off in the beginning was "it will get better", it really does. I've nearly a year into this, and a lot of restrictions will be lifted soon. I have jobs (yes, more than one) lined up once I pass narcs again. It takes a lot of discipline to attend meetings, do the testing, see a therapist. And it takes a lot of money. I wouldn't throw in the towel yet. Those feelings of demoralization, stress, anxiety, and anger will pass. Most here felt that way in the beginning. It is normal. If you have a sponsor, hopefully a good one, call them, meet with them, get some feedback from them. You spent a lot of time to be a nurse and you will be glad you stuck throw it. As a side note, I had done quite a few job interviews months ago and never brought up the monitoring stuff. Big mistake. The last few hiring managers, directors, and clinical managers that I've been interviewed by, I lead with that and each have said that it is no big deal. They have worked with monitoring before. So, it will improve.

There’s a really good law firm in Troy. Chapman law all they do is represent licensed medical professionals. They even brought a class action lawsuit again HPRP. They could tell you more to determine if you could get out early. Do not just quit. They’ll deem you non-compliant are will 💯 report you to LARA. I’m assuming you took your intake eval and signed a contract.

I did some research on trying to find other healthcare certifications that my nursing degree would qualify for and I was successful in finding one national board certification company. American allied health

It does not matter if you are revoked or not. They offer certification in medical assisting, surgical technology, pharmacy technician and a few others including vetinary assistant.
your nursing degree satisfies all the requirements for all of the offered certifications.
I got the surgical Technician certification and put together a resume That I was trained on the job and applied on indeed. I applied at about 5 agency’s and 3 of them called back.
I don’t know how strong the certification is with employers but I’m going to try to find out more about it.
I’m trying to research and learn about the surg tech job duties incase I get hired so I might know a little. I should probably go with the medical assistant but the surgical technician pays more.
I just wanted to share this about American allied health in case it might help someone else out with getting a job.

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7 hours ago, AbbeyR said:

There’s a really good law firm in Troy. Chapman law all they do is represent licensed medical professionals. They even brought a class action lawsuit again HPRP. They could tell you more to determine if you could get out early. Do not just quit. They’ll deem you non-compliant are will 💯 report you to LARA. I’m assuming you took your intake eval and signed a contract.

Chapman was the firm I called. They gave me the free consult but in the end were the ones who said Once HPRP has their claws in you, there’s no getting out. I asked about that class action law suit, but the attorney really didn’t say much, and upon trying to research it I haven’t found anything past 2018 (I think). So ya gotta wonder how that’s going. I know I’ll be reported to LARA. I simply can’t afford this “program”.... the drug testing alone for last month was $496, plus all the therapists’ fees.... And nothing is worth the humiliation and demoralizing feeling of peeing in a cup like a criminal when your only crime is to drink wine a few times a week.

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2 hours ago, Direct said:

I did some research on trying to find other healthcare certifications that my nursing degree would qualify for and I was successful in finding one national board certification company. American allied health

It does not matter if you are revoked or not. They offer certification in medical assisting, surgical technology, pharmacy technician and a few others including vetinary assistant.
your nursing degree satisfies all the requirements for all of the offered certifications.
I got the surgical Technician certification and put together a resume That I was trained on the job and applied on indeed. I applied at about 5 agency’s and 3 of them called back.
I don’t know how strong the certification is with employers but I’m going to try to find out more about it.
I’m trying to research and learn about the surg tech job duties incase I get hired so I might know a little. I should probably go with the medical assistant but the surgical technician pays more.
I just wanted to share this about American allied health in case it might help someone else out with getting a job.

Thanks! This is what I hoped. I’m thinking they can take my nursing license away but they can’t prevent me from doing other healthcare-related jobs. And I guess if, somehow, they could...I’ll get a job as a secretary or something completely different.

Being revoked can stop you from getting anything with a state license. Every application for a state license I have seen ask if you have had a professional license revoked. I even asked a state realtor board about it and they said they would have to make a determination. A school teacher board told me they did not hold it against you however if something were on the background they could.
I wouldn’t tell any employers that you used to be a nurse this would probably cause problems.
I’m going to go as far as using Career excuse and pay a couple hundred bucks for some references they provide.

I agree also that this is ridiculous ..... there is probably only 1 in 10 nurses in these programs that actually have a substance abuse Issue. I don’t understand how someone can casually drink 1-2 times a week and automatically have a problem. If that were true then this means everyone that drinks has a problem. Nurses on here say it’s a money gimmick and I’m leaning that to be true. It just doesn’t justify with me that 1 a week or month or even maybe once a year and there is a big problem. We are walking in old shoes from ones with problems that have passed this to us as we fell in a crack. I guess that’s the government for you..

... I’m praying this certification works wonders so I can go on being able to survive and have normalcy in my life. Even if I have to move away to a large city with opportunities to make between $18 and $31 hr .. I’d go for that... hope something works out for you and just try to remember there is other nurses out there that are not able to work as a nurse either. Cya

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Direct—good luck to you too. And, I wholeheartedly believe HPRP is all about the money. I have been told that at one point it was a good, honest process that really helped those that needed it. For me, it took away a career I just started.

Ugh.. I am so sorry. If I knew that being a nurse and the BON expected us to be perfect and not make a single mistake or be an actual human being that can admit we may need help without being treated like a murderer I would have chosen a different profession. If you want to get into a different non license field I’d omit nursing from your resume completely. Just say you were a stay at home mom if you have a gap in work history. Are you currently working as a nurse? How long is your hprp contract?

Abbey—Thx for your message. I resigned after a year and a half of nursing this past March because of illness in the family—I was trying to work full time and be a full time caregiver and decided work had to come 2nd. COVID was ramping up at the same time. I was stressed and depressed. I will take my nursing experience off my resume, good idea. My HPRP monitoring agreement is 3 years, which is standard in MI. As far as I’m concerned, tho, it’s over. I’ve stopped checking in every morning to see if I have to drug test (and I’m sure I missed one this week because I was “randomly” being chosen to test every week, and historically it’s been urine, blood, urine, blood, urine...this week would have been blood) and I purposefully did not attend a therapy session. I haven’t called the case manager yet to tell her HPRP can go to you know where. Figured I’d let her do her job—she can call me. Anyway, thx to you and everyone for letting me vent!

Bravo-rn47

Specializes in Home care.

I am sorry to say... HPRP does not get better... I have been in a year. Today they told me I am lucky to get a 6 month extension because my car broke down at work and I missed my test... the place I go closes at 5:30 due to covid... I had a receipt that my car was towed and tested negative the next morning.... you think they give a ***... nope. 6 months! Oh I can appeal it but what’s the point... they want their money and they will make damned sure they get it. Karma is my only hope for these ***.

OMG Bravo! I’m sorry you’re going thru this. I understand how stressful and angering this must be for you. I feel like a respectable agency would take each and every “case” into individual consideration, but, although I’ve only had a monitoring agreement in effect for 7 weeks, I know already that’s not true. The system is sooooo flawed in many ways, and there’s nothing we can do except: either deal with it and hope the end of it comes at some point or say **** it, you can have my license. I’m doing the latter. I’m sorry to hear your story. Best of luck. 😔

hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, Elder Care, L&D.

7 hours ago, LaylaR said:

Abbey—Thx for your message. I resigned after a year and a half of nursing this past March because of illness in the family—I was trying to work full time and be a full time caregiver and decided work had to come 2nd. COVID was ramping up at the same time. I was stressed and depressed. I will take my nursing experience off my resume, good idea. My HPRP monitoring agreement is 3 years, which is standard in MI. As far as I’m concerned, tho, it’s over. I’ve stopped checking in every morning to see if I have to drug test (and I’m sure I missed one this week because I was “randomly” being chosen to test every week, and historically it’s been urine, blood, urine, blood, urine...this week would have been blood) and I purposefully did not attend a therapy session. I haven’t called the case manager yet to tell her HPRP can go to you know where. Figured I’d let her do her job—she can call me. Anyway, thx to you and everyone for letting me vent!

Long time graduate of one of the most Draconian programs out there. If I were you I would rethink just dropping out of the progarm. They (The BON ) can and willhold it against you and as another Poster has said . It's called an alternative to discipline for a reason meaning that you will not have a permenent stike on your liscense. If they suspend or revoke your licene now. You will have a very difficult time getting it reinstated if you decide to do so. It would be better to ask if you can be released from the program as you simply do not have the funds and are looking into other career options. When and if you decide to return to nursing. You need only pick up that cross again. If there is no actual action against you license you could request to go before the BON and explain your circumstances. They might decide to put you on probation which is typically shorter that alternatives to disciplne and will allow you to continue working while you sort out this part of your life. You spent a lot of time effort and money to become a nurse - don't just throw it away!

Hppy

Thank you Hppy...your message has many words of wisdom. When I talk with the case manager, I’ll definitely choose a non-confrontational, passive-aggressive tone...that’s just me in a nutshell anyway. I will absolutely consider all you’ve said, and at the same time, expect and be prepared for the worse case scenario. I’m not willing to put up with the system unless the system shows me it has exceptions and tolerances. At this point, I don’t believe it has either, but I’d be willing to believe that it does and consider alternatives. Thx again 😘

subee, MSN, CRNA

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

Don't walk away from this program just yet.  Everyone is miserable in the beginning.  Take the time to go on the LARA website and look at all of the jobs that require state certification.  If you leave now, you may not be able to get another patient care job in any capacity.  You are shooting yourself in the foot by setting yourself up to make half the pay you make as an RN.  Why did you even call them for help in the first place if you didn't think that you might have a problem.  If you thought you MIGHT have a problem, you DO have a problem.  It made me nuts to read Bravo's post about being tormented over a drug test.  Someone is extending confusing strict with cruel.  The more negative panels that come back for you will mean less testing in the future and decreasing costs.  EVERYONE feels demoralized, humiliated and violated by peeing in a cup.  You will get through that if you have your job to distract you.  But do take a look at all the jobs in Michigan that might be affected by this permanent mark on your license.

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