kind of a vent....Paramedics

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Okay, the other night I was working and one of the residents who is ambulatory by wheelchair went off on her own as is her habit. Apparently, she was trying to get into a locked nutrition room and cut or pinched her fingers badly enough that she bled a large puddle of blood in the hallway. So, when she was found a complete assessment was done. Cold compresses and pressure dressings were applied until she could be transported to the nearest ER for stitches. The ambulance company was called and transport arranged. When the crew to transport got there, the paramedic took the pressure dressing off!!!! right in front of me!!! and the woman's fingers commenced to bleeding again. The medic asked the EMT if she still had the (now contaminated) dressing or if she had trashed it. Of course she didn't trash it. The paramedic tried to stick the old dressing back on with no tape. He had the lady, who was confused, hold it on her fingers and she kept dropping it and kept bleeding. I went to get a new dressing but by that time, they had her on the stretcher and were leaving and the Medic said she would be fine with out it that she wasn't going to loose enough blood to hurt her!!!

I am a newly minted RN, and so do not fully understand all of the policies and procedures in my facility just yet. So, I talked it over with another RN. She said that when the transport comes, the resident becomes their patient and they can do what ever they want to them.

I told the secretary when I called the transport that the resident had a pressure dressing applied and that we already knew she would be haivng stitches. (steri strips were not an option) I understand about dropping the ball with regard to communication, but he didn't have to cause the woman so dad gum much pain when he ripped the tape off! He didn't need to do more than listen to me give report to him about what had occured.

So what is the role of the Paramedic? What is their scope of practice?

Any suggestions on what to do should this occur in the future?

Specializes in Education, Acute, Med/Surg, Tele, etc.

Well...when I was in nursing school I learned from three main places about how to be a 'medic'! First was my hubby who is a Paramedic, second my lab buddy who was a RT going PA, and third the volunteer fire department who was run by my father in law. It was the greatest experience and education I could have ever asked for! I learned more in an hour than a lecture of any kind in school, and had the experience to solidify what I was learning! It was great!

I still go on ride alongs...they are so great! I too would suggest if you can to do it...do it!!!(HIPAA has kinda put some road blocks in the way...but nothing you can't overcome by logic!!! LOL!).

It not only teaches you so much valuable medical education, but also teaches what Paramedics go through, and how a patient goes from home to hospital and hopefully back home again which gives you such a great insight to how things cycle through!!!

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Oh please Roxann I never intended a pissing matche but you started it. In my post I never intended to imply that a Paramedic was a glorified orderly

Glorified orderly? I resemble that remark!:lol2:

Specializes in Long Term Care.

Thank you TriageRn I appreciate the input.

I think for right now I just need to finish reading the scope of practice for paramedics, re-read policy and procedure for my facility then do the ride along thing.

I suppose it is only natural to feel defensive when you don't fully understand WHY what is going on is going on.

Am I the only one the feels kind of "My patient"-ish when they have to turn patients over to other healthcare team members?

Specializes in Education, Acute, Med/Surg, Tele, etc.

Oh heck yes...I get patientish too (especially when I was assisted living!)! LOL! But I am very lucky to know the paramedics and fire fighters in the area because...they trained me :)!

When I get a bit patientish...it is usually with other nurses or MDs...LOL! But I trust in my healthcare team, and have learned over time to not be so patientish...so being new..heck, that is not a bad thing (shows your respect for continuity and care!!!)!!!! And wishing to learn of other displines shows your strength for being a well rounded and educated nurse! KUDOS!!!!!

heh. as a paramedic, we had this ongoing joke:

Q. "what's the difference between god and a nurse?"

A. "god doesn't think he's a nurse".

Specializes in Education, Acute, Med/Surg, Tele, etc.

LOL...hey now...we know that is not nurse it is ER DOC! LOL!

Specializes in ER/Trauma, ICU (All types), CCT.

"we are talking one medical person to another here..don't treat nurses as glorified orderlies either."

When I respond to nursing homes, I treat the nurses w/ respect, because everyone deserves to be treated with respect. However, I would NEVER rely on anything they told me. One medical person to another means NOTHING in this case. I'm sure this isn't the case everywhere, and maybe this nurse did do a good evaluation of the patients finger, but 99% of the time I am given inaccurate information from the nurse. For example the nurse at the LTC facility calls our company asks for an amb. to take a patient to the hosp. for evaluation of elevated temp. Doesn't give any other info. We drive over, no response cause elevated temp really isn't a priority response. When we get to the patients room, he's diaphoretic, Sp02=78% on 3L and wheezing. All information that would have been relevant to provide when she originally called. thats why EMTs/Paramedic don't trust LTC nurses.

"So let me get the second part straight...EMT and paramedics do not have to answer to anyone and are free to perform and practice as they see fit? Could you please send me the the name of your states practice act for your profession because I have a hard time buying that one. Let's see doctors aren't god Paramedics are."

No one is saying EMTs/Paramedics are god. The only people we answer to are EMERGENCY MEDICAL PHYSICIANs. NOT PCPs, NOT GI docs, NOT general med docs, NOT ER nurses and especially not LTC NURSES.

"So let me get the second part straight...EMT and paramedics do not have to answer to anyone and are free to perform and practice as they see fit? Could you please send me the the name of your states practice act for your profession because I have a hard time buying that one. Let's see doctors aren't god Paramedics are."

No one is saying EMTs/Paramedics are god. The only people we answer to are EMERGENCY MEDICAL PHYSICIANs. NOT PCPs, NOT GI docs, NOT general med docs, NOT ER nurses and especially not LTC NURSES.

I disagree...our medical director is not an emergency medical physician...he is a D.O. who specializes in internal medicine and can run circles around most ER doctors I have worked with. We answer to almost everyone we come in contact with...nurses, PAs, other EMTs, patients, family members...certainly we have to follow our protocols and stay within our scope of practice, but we still have a responsibility to everyone we work with. Once I have made patient contact and patient care has been turned over to me, they are mine and I will follow our protocols when caring for them and I will do my own assessment. The fact that I can practice very independently compared to nurses doesn't make me any better or smarter than them. It just shows that I have different training and skills.

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