Is there a "Nurse Shortage" Lie?

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  1. Were you told there is a nursing shortage? (Related to aging population, or aging RNs)

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Is there a nursing shortage lie? Does this keep the colleges full of students?

Defined: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture.

After becoming a AS-RN, I was told Hospitals would no longer be hiring AS-RNs, the obvious option was to get that BSN. After getting the BSN the hospitals said, there are many people, many fine candidates with 4.0 GPA's, you were not selected. Landing a job in Home Health se.0emed like at least some way to continue to serve. Hospitals were saying that 5 years in Home Health didn't amount to 1 year of acute care, and he couldn't be hired on a med/surg floor. Ok then, a terminal degree would fulfill that life time goal of being educated, what should one do? Change professional from the "worlds most trusted profession, to some other profession?

Not really, a 4.0 GPA and a great understanding of the profession, it won't hurt to grab that Master's before I'm too old. So the Master's, my home health company and those friends had no time for a case manager that didn't work Mondays thru Sundays, so a break again from home health to become a top educated RN. What an honor right. Maybe not. 350 applications later and not one interview, or call, nothing but fake headhunters with "behavioral questions", is this ageism, a flooded market?

Master's done! 4.0, Suma Cun Laude, time to get that med surg outta the way, no more education needed. Advanced Practice wouldn't really be nursing, its is being a provider. Whats next? Another 300 applications, same answer, we found someone that was a better candidate for all 300 jobs? Then a headhunter for a major hospital told me. "I don't know why that a new RN can't be hired, that 1 year experience policy is stupid", no one can work without 1 year acute experience, and no one can be hired without it"? I simply can't place you in any position, sorry.

So, FNP? DNP? Folks if there was really a shortage of nurses I would be working everywhere. The truth is the hospitals are playing the traveler game. Several excuses are being used for refusing to hire nurses with adequate wages, and benefits. "We want to make sure you are a good fit". "We want to make sure after you are orientated, you aren't going to leave"! These excuses are just the ranting of the monopoly that is the health care system I guess.

See: Council of Economic Advisors Brief. (2016, October). Labor Market Monopsony: Trends, consequences, and policy responses. Retrieved from https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/page/files/20161025_monopsony_labor_mrkt_cea.pdf

Shouldn't our colleges be informing students, and potential students about how this lie of shortages is not related to, or how it doesn't translate into substantial employment? This isn's a shortage its a "At-Will" employment fraud. IT forces nurses into signing a "At-Will" contract, instead of promoting a "good cause" employment contract. The nature of employment is contractual, signing an at-will contract destroys the definition of Federal Labor Laws, and is a fraud on nurses.

There is no shortage, only greed and deception. (Mostly greed). We are nurses, and at every practice level we do the job, we get it done, we put everyone else first, in the traditions of Flo, and Rogers, Watson, and Lewin. We are agents of change, satisfying customers, providing quality care within legal scope, cost effectively saving the bottom line, without lowering the safety and standard of evidence based practice, we are art, we are caring, we are the ethic, the bottom line, those that stand up when our patients cannot.

Are we jokes? I say we are and every new person that finds this calling should know the immoral and unethical lie you will be told. Is there another explanation? So you want to be a nurse? Do you?

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.

Would you find and ask ask a recruiter for a hospital how that will translate into acute care experience, and get back to the discussion with your insights.

Thanks again for your perspective, we hope it 'heps' (Mayberry RFD and MASH reference) some of us indeed!

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.

Wow great comments about your experiences. Briefly I will say I was the only precepted student in my class of 60 that was let into a couple CABGs... and that was a reward for my hard work, I knew at that time I would never be able to not pursue more education. What a privilege it was.

I hope that new grads will see this and understand that postponing any fleeting reward for getting a license, and pursuing those experiences that have a deeper impact will result in a satisfaction that we all wish we could find in our careers, and lives in general. I happen to enjoy differential diagnosis, so it makes sense to say hey, I'm going to keep going!!!

Thanks you for taking the time to add to the discussion. I wanted to pursue another specialty, but as we have all agreed there are certain regional forces pulling us in various directions. I am also human (checking recently to be sure) and family health and finances guided me down the didactic path. TO be sure I wanted to "do it all" but alas along the way I found out I was human.

Thank you also for your comments. I think what you have discussed was very timely and speaks to the need for RNs to prepare for the future, moving locations, and postponing their dream job for much needed education, and perspective before "checking the boxes". I'm still interested in the OR, as a matter of fact, I'm interested in everything!

Is this a generational thing I wonder? Are we letting down the next generation but not disclosing, or by omission of what they face in the profession?

Thanks again for your comments! Best

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.
Honestly what OP done sounds like a recipe for disaster, or just a mountain of student debt. Sounds like instead of paying money for 6+ more years of education OP should have been applying to a hospitals in some desolate rural states, stayed for a year, and then moved back into peak-saturation city with more experience.

I'm not entirely sure there is a real shortage of nurses. I've asked a couple of my friends (one just graduated from her adn program, another is in the middle) and they are telling me that there are quite a few ****** jobs available in hospitals for nurses. They will tout the "nursing shortage" for constantly hiring new grads which is nothing but the hospitals own manufacturing. They put new grads to the meat grinder because they don't demand a good salary or benefits and burn them out with short staffing. So there is not a shortage of nurses but a shortage of good nursing jobs in my city.

Grain of sand I guess because I'm not a nurse but I am considering an aBSN so I've done some job researching because I wanna know what I'm getting myself lol

Hi. Awesome! You are asking all the right questions, and you are not believing 'everything' you hear. You will make what I think will be a competent and valuable nurse in Public Service.

Its personal but to answer the question of 'mountains of debt'; I have no debt at all, no financial debt to my colleges, or to any business. YES that was a hell-of-a-trick, and many will say impossible. In short, after being funded by a job at the college, and a mentor, I made it thru to the AS-RN. Whew that was a miracle!!! Then a week after graduating offered a chance by a RN i tutored i met 8 pts thru a home health company, that hired. After that scary experience I wanted a safer place to hang my hat and pay for more education. Found a great group of LPNs and RNs starting a new HHA and hung around them until I was head high in cases. As a RN case manager I worked 24/7 and saved every penny, I mean saved everything, and ate nothing. Used that to fund the BSN, back to home health "no hospital would hire a RN with out acute care experience". After the BSN i refused to stop, was set up for being educated, i was a well oiled machine and was accepted into a Master's program, and never looked back.

More 24/7 studying, more sacrificing, scholarships, a little help of course = MSN

I knew what I was doing. Here is a letter from a congressional candidate I fielded today, addressing this issue, Enjoy and do your homework:

09/10/2018

Re: Is there a nursing shortage lie? Does this keep the colleges full of students?

Dear Nurses and Doctors,

After opening up a large can of warms in Aerospace back in 1988 [ref. 1998 Cox Report] I have spent my time looking in on the Medical Industry.

Management in 1988 made Engineers look like simpletons as they sold off "our military drawings" to the Chinese---it took years for Americans to find out about the treachery and the Treason.

Are we jokes? The author of the blog asked. The answer---sadly, is Yes!

I am currently working on my 53rd book in a series on the VA Scandal---Most Doctors and Nurses have stayed far, far away from this subject matter. Also the Veterans themselves have not been very active. And the lower Supervisors and managers are getting all the heat as the Secretaries of the VA all go on Vacations in European and watch Tennis matches, as they cut deals with everyone for their post VA Position [Ex. Pincipi and Peake at QTCM/Lockheed/Leidos; "Bob" is over working with the Canadian Firm]. I wonder where Peter O'Rourke will go after his demotion?

Most Americans will not look into anything---the FEAR of loosing their jobs/ "position."

JKL33 is laying it out that Large businesses consistently want cheap labor and large turnovers to control the contracts.

Nothing new under the sun.

Is there a nursing shortage? The question should be re-asked: What nurses are we short of?

Experienced vs. Newbies General vs. Specialists

No-matter how you look at it the Baby Boomers are now Old and they need Medical Attention, now not later!

Sincerely,

Don Karg

Defender of the C-17

Congressional and Senate Candidate 2018

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.

Lol.... try to apply... this is not a NEW GRAD JOB... sorry try again!

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.
For the love of Dog, please use the quote button.

OK... got it. Did I mention this is the first time I've had time to make any comments on this blog. Been a little busy :)

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.
There is NO nursing shortage and hasn't been in the 18+ years I've been in nursing. I've seen studies that claim there is. However NONE of the count the number of RN and compare to the number needed. In my BSN program we did exactly that as one of our research assignments.

We did our study at a time when hospitals were screaming about a nursing shortage, every hospital and nursing home had tons of opening. New grad ADN RNs were getting $5K sign on bonuses (I got one). An RN could walk into any hospital and be hired into the department of their choice.

What we found was that there were PLENTY of trained nurses to more than fulfill the staff nursing needs in the state of Wisconsin. What there was, was a shortage of nurses willing to work for the stagnant wages, substandard benefits, and awful working conditions being offered. Wisconsin has lots of nurses working in other fields, and I bet the same is true for the rest of the country.

OK I will use QUOTE. Since I wrote this blog post, and my experience is similar to the exact conditions you are talking about, I AGREE with your comments.

This is an artificial "shortage"...

I have thus quoted you and I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree...

Nuff said.. thanks for your post

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.

OK I should have quoted. I have to say that I never have seen a blog that doesn't attach responses and threads automatically. Lesson learned. Just another waste of my hard work becoming a RN.

Let me say this in conclusion before I call this discussion done.

My conclusion is there is no shortage. It is a blatant farce, for whatever reason. And the sooner it is called what it is, the sooner nurses will have the collective power we deserve.

If you want to comment further feel free.

Specializes in Home Health/Wound care.
Oh honey, you should've joined us in flyover country ages ago. You'd be a seasoned nurse with tons of experience by now.

By the way, how much student debt have you racked up getting all these degrees without working?

BTW... I have no debt. I guess I'm just smart like that.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Let me say this in conclusion before I call this discussion done.

You don't have the ability to make that call. If YOU are done discussing it, feel free to move on.

I live in a rural area of Washington State. ADNs and BSNs hired for acute care at our hospital. I think they (of course) prefer BSNs but they take what they can get.

I have to say that I never have seen a blog that doesn't attach responses and threads automatically.

Because this isnt a "blog."

Its a discussion forum using a BBS system for posting.

I think there is a shortage.

There are many job openings in Seattle where I live and work. Many nurses here are a.d.n. and not b.s.n. I got many job offers and continue to from recruiters.

Within my hospital there are many openings for nurses including those for msn.

I will say though, that not all nursing jobs pay the same. And they are not all glamorous. Maybe years ago it was easy to walk into an interview and get a dream job but now you have to start at the bottom and better jobs will open up to you with experience and training. Also there are many more nuraing jobs outside of the hospital setting, many many more.

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