Is the AA profession gaining ground?

georgia_aa · Mar 25, 2007

Cite your references, please-

Actually this document better outlines the recertification process for anesthesiologists.

http://www.csahq.org/pdf/bulletin/issue_7/strum044.pdf

urgewrx · Mar 25, 2007

Facts: MDA are not required to have any ongoing education. CRNA's must keep up with their education to practice.

That is not true. So much for your "facts". MD's have to renew their license every 2-3 years and are usually asked to complete between 40 to 60 credit hours. On top of that their board certification (after year 2000) expires every 10 years.

For more info check you local state licensing board and theaba.org

n_g · Mar 25, 2007

Facts: MDA are not required to have any ongoing education. CRNA's must keep up with their education to practice.

This is the most uninformed statement I have ever seen. All physicians have to get CME and get recertified every 10 years or so.

SueBee RN-BSN · Mar 26, 2007

That is not true. So much for your "facts". MD's have to renew their license every 2-3 years and are usually asked to complete between 40 to 60 credit hours. On top of that their board certification (after year 2000) expires every 10 years.
For more info check you local state licensing board and theaba.org

From the mouth of ABA - I called them.

MDA's before 2000 - no license expiration date, recert every 10 years. How many of these are in the OR's?

After 2000 - due to public demand, and patient safety issues, MDA's must take a four hour exam, 350 cme's and have an active license. This is done every 10 years.

Some states may have further requirments beyond what is set by the ABA.

CRNA's - recert - must have clean license, working atleast 850 hrs over the two years, between recert, and complete 40 ceu's every 2 years. This recert process was set by the AANA. Different states may have other requirments. The requirments were not set due to questions about public safety issues.

SueBee RN-BSN · Mar 26, 2007

this is the most uninformed statement i have ever seen. all physicians have to get cme and get recertified every 10 years or so.

nurse god :nono:

i apologize, i did a paper on this topic some years ago. my statement was fact then, but things have changed. :idea:

urgewrx · Mar 26, 2007

From the mouth of ABA - I called them.
MDA's before 2000 - no license expiration date, recert every 10 years. How many of these are in the OR's?
After 2000 - due to public demand, and patient safety issues, MDA's must take a four hour exam, 350 cme's and have an active license. This is done every 10 years.
Some states may have further requirments beyond what is set by the ABA.
CRNA's - recert - must have clean license, working atleast 850 hrs over the two years, between recert, and complete 40 ceu's every 2 years. This recert process was set by the AANA. Different states may have other requirments. The requirments were not set due to questions about public safety issues.

You have your facts all mixed up. You don't seem to understand that license and Board certification are different things.

EVERY MD HAS to renew ther physician's license every 2-3 years, depending on the state. They need 40 to 60 CME hours to renew their license.

Board certification (very different from license) expires every 10 years if the original was taken after year 2000. For those who were Board certified before 2000, their certification does not expire.

lmdscd · Mar 26, 2007

This is the most uninformed statement I have ever seen. All physicians have to get CME and get recertified every 10 years or so.

Interesting because Ive worked with quite a few MD"s not certified and or haven't passed the exam but they can still practice and lead CRNA"s at alot of hospital's. They do go get CME,I'm told they can practice because of their 4 year MD degree. I have never heard of CRNA's not passing the exam and practicing years after they graduate . Don't look like anybody is making them take it . To me its called politics, maybe things move slower on certain things and other things go faster .

jwk · Mar 26, 2007

From the mouth of ABA - I called them.
MDA's before 2000 - no license expiration date, recert every 10 years. How many of these are in the OR's?
After 2000 - due to public demand, and patient safety issues, MDA's must take a four hour exam, 350 cme's and have an active license. This is done every 10 years.
Some states may have further requirments beyond what is set by the ABA.
CRNA's - recert - must have clean license, working atleast 850 hrs over the two years, between recert, and complete 40 ceu's every 2 years. This recert process was set by the AANA. Different states may have other requirments. The requirments were not set due to questions about public safety issues.

You should know that "license" and "certification" are two entirely different things. The ABA does not LICENSE anesthesiologists. The ABA has nothing to do with licenses. They are licensed by individual states, just as CRNA's and AA's are.

For the docs, 350 hours of CME's over 10 years - let's see, that's an average of 35 hours a year, and again, a recertification exam q10 years.

For AA's, it's 40 hrs every two years, an average of 20 per year, and again, a recertification exam q6yrs.

For CRNA's, it's 40 hrs every two years, an average of 20 per year, but again, NO exam.

Facts are facts.

What's your point?

paindoc · Mar 26, 2007

Virtually all hospitals now require any new physician to be or become board certified within a few years of achieving staff privileges. Older docs without certification were grandfathered in with respect to this requirement. Just as the vast majority of CRNAs have no MS degree....they are grandfathered in by the AANA not having to achieve this higher requirement.

SueBee RN-BSN · Mar 27, 2007

jwk,

MDA's still must meet ABA requirments, reguardless of what state they practice in -

Why are you so down on CRNA's?

SueBee RN-BSN · Mar 27, 2007

i find it interesting that public demand, due to questioned patient safety, caused the aba to change the way business is carried out.

crna's and the governing bodies had always set and maintained high professional standards.

this would be an interesting research topic, if only i had the time.

n_g · Mar 27, 2007

I hope you guys realize that if Medicare considers anesthesia a nursing profession they will slash reimbursements like crazy. You'll be lucky to make 100k after that. Don't say I didn't warn you.