Info for new grads wanting to work in Oz

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I noticed Lindsay I think it was posted a question about being a new grad in July 2010 and wanting to move to Oz to do a grad year. For some reason I was unable to post a reply to the question so I thought I'd start a new post and hopefully it will help someone. :)

Firstly, I'm a final year BN student myself, I will graduate in July 2010 in QLD, Australia.

Lots of information:

Australia's school year is backwards to the US. We start in March and finish in November. So the vast majority of grad positions commence in January or February each year. A smaller number commence in July.

The GFC didn't really hit us too hard in Oz, however, what it did do is reduce the amount of movement in Nursing. Less people going overseas, taking time off to have kids, long holidays, study etc. Which means, less positions last year and this year than three or four years ago. As a result, Aust government is saying to internationals and even interstate (yes, I can only get a grad position in QLD, not interstate like in VIC or NSW), that they will place their own students first, then if there is left over places they will place international new grad RNs.

So it is certainly true that there are lots of nursing jobs in Australia, just not new grad positions. In saying that, you don't have to do a new grad program, you can just apply directly to the hospital and ward you want to work in and if they have the place and the ability to take you on, they might. The new grad program is just so good because of all the support and study days you get. You aren't just "thrown in the deep end".

In Australia, we have public and private hospitals. It might be different to the US, bus our major hospital system is the public system. Our biggest hospitals, tertiary facilities, all of that is public and is paid for by the government. So everyone who is an Australian citizen, holder of permenant visa - is eligable for Medicare - and this pays for the hospital. The best wages, the best working conditions, are generally accepted to be found in the public health system, not the private. But there are many private hospitals in Australia - Ramsey Health is the biggest provider with many hospitals spread around Australia, and it can sometimes be easier to get a grad position in a private hospital than in the public hospital system. When applying for grad positions, each state in Australia is like its own country. If you want to work in QLD you apply to QLD health (public system). If you want to work in NSW you apply to NSW health (public system).

Australia is a huge country, with the vast majority of the population living on the east coast, in Perth and surrounding areas, and in Adelaide and surrounding areas. Not many people live in Northern Territory. So, when thinking about where to apply for a job, remember that the majority of Australia is Rural. Rural nursing, if you have only worked in cities, can be a completely different experience. Not to mention living in a small town of 5,000 people and the only entertainment is a couple of pubs, limited access to nice shops, maybe being situated 200-500km from a major city. Rural lifestyle is not for everyone. Alot of rural practice includes Indigenous health which is another huge learning package before you start. Rural QLD, rural, WA and rural NT all focus on Indigenous health. It is also cheap to live in Rural Australia and you do get extra money from the government (a bit like a "hardship posting"), if you choose to live and practice there. Plus, you will learn alot, and, not many new grads go bush in their first year (unless they are from the country) so it can be easier to get a grad position in rural.

If you choose a major town centre or a city, expect ALOT of competition because these are the hospitals everybody applies for. More expensive cost of living, but then more of the luxuries of a city.

Now, the August grad position catch.

I've done a bit of research and the only state with a August grad year still available in 2010 in the public health system is QLD. All the others - WA, NSW - they allocated their August intake places well over a year ago.

There are not alot of places available for Augustt - and approximately 300-500 QLD students graduating. We're not sure that there is going to be enough places to cover all the QLD new grads in QLD.

http://www.health.qld.gov.au/nursing/gnor/default.asp is the QLD health recruitment website. Applications open 29 March 2010 for August 2010.

http://www.gradplus.com.au/ is the Ramsey Health (private hospitals around Australia) recruitment website for four states. Many hospitals - good if you're interested in Surgical or peri-operative - they do ALOT of surgery in these hospitals. Applications close very soon so get moving if you're interested for August intake.

http://www.healthscope.com.au/info/general/Content/get/497/itemId/ is another private hospital provider with hospitals all around Australia - Healthscope. Their grad year starts in September 2010. Applications open in March 2010.

Mater hospitals - are a system of public and private hospitals (public and private combined but not part of the government public health system). There is usually a Mater hospitals in every major city - Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, just google "mater hospital + city, Australia" and these run their own grad programs every year. You'll have to search around the site to find out what they offer. The Mater usual has good working conditions and good rates of pay - pretty much the same as the government hospitals. I think Brisbane Mater grad position applications closes on like the 5th of March for August 2010. :up:

You'll need to apply for registration. I don't know exactly how you will go about this because our usual state registration is becoming a national registration on 1st July 2010. (This is the date everyone renews their nursing licence).

You'll also need a criminal history check in your home country - name only I think. Or maybe this is done for you for a fee when you apply for registration. You'll have to find someone who knows more than me. It basically gets done for us through university so we don't need to worry about applying for registration and the like.

You'll need to arrange a visa for yourself because I understand that no hospitals are offering sponsorship anymore? (I'm not positive this is correct, just what I've heard people saying). :confused:

I understand you have to be in Australia in March/April to attend an interview. From what I understand, they must be face-to-face interviews - not over the phone. You'll have to check with the hospital if this is true for all but that is what I've heard.

If English is not your first language you have to sit a test - IELTs? You have to score 7 on all sections I think.

I haven't actually met anyone from O/S who has managed to secure a grad position in Australia. I'm sure there are, I just haven't met any. Most people do a year in their own country first and then apply for a job. You can always work for an agency - but as a new grad I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable doing this. It is hard enough being on your own let alone going to a new hospital, new ward every day and being expected to do everything without assistance. Plus, many of the bigger nursing agencies will not hire until you have one year of experience.

I don't know how the situation is in NZ. It might be easier to do a year there and then come over to Oz after that.

Good luck to all who are interested in working in Oz.:D

Ok if you want to go to Victoria...I have seen on some websites for overseas new grads, try googling, southern health, eastern health, melbourne health, and st vincents and mercy private and mercy womens health ....I have not time to check out the websites or google melbourne hospitals, I noticed last checking out post grad stuff them giving instructions for overseas nurses.....as a kiwi of course though it will be a bit easier with the nursing registration, just straight id checking and your in.

thank you! its a big help! given me insight I could possibly look for work for smaller healthcare companies rather than big public run hospitals! wish me luck! hope youre doing well :)

None of the above I would class are small private health run companies, they include the biggest public run hospitals in Melbourne, Royal Melbourne, Monash Medical, Box Hill,....tho stv's private and mercy would be considered private run they are would not be considered small private run hospitals. The websites are just the area health, such as north, south, east whatever include the big hospitals in that area. :eek:

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There are certainly some small, private hospitals around and they're likely to be less competitive than the bigger hospitals mentioned by ceridwyn. However, bear in mind that it's easier to scale down in acuity than up - in other words, if you start out in a sub-acute setting it's harder to move to a more acute area later.

Hi everyone!

What is the difference between employment and the GNP? Is the GNP something you have to pay for (like tuition) or just apply to as a new grad?

Are you guys saying that because hospitals would prefer one with experience, new grads should take the GNP to acquire one?

Thanks for the reply!

The graduate nurse program is 1 year long and usually individual to each hospital that runs it. It is a paid position paid at the lowest level of entry.

They (the hospitals) promise support 3-4 study days and depending on the hospitals have rotations into different types of nursing. Some rotations are 6 months long some are 3 months, some offer med/surg and usually a specialty.

I would hope that, due to limited positions, the government sponsors these positions that they would be offered to Australian /nz graduates first. I do believe in the past overseas graduates have got these positions as there were spaces or them.

One does not have to complete a grad year, but I have noticed lately hospitals have advertised positions with criteria of a completed graduate year.

It is beginning to get tough here, not as easy to move and find a nursing position as it use to be, even in the country.

thanks for the reply ceridwyn!:)

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I went through the visa/rego process as an international new graduate from the united states. If your trying to get a job as a new grad go the private way- public will not look at you or at least your chances are pretty slim. I got two interviews and ended up taking a job in brisbane. And pay is pretty good- better than some of my friends at public hospitals.

So yes it is possible to get a job here as a new grad- and I'm in a new grad program for a year on a 457 visa. PM me with any questions Im all too familiar with the process

I would love to hear your experience and advice as I'm going through the same process. I'm arriving on a work and holiday visa in Nov. and then hoping to find a hospital to sponsor me on a 457 visa. My registation is still in process...been taking a long time since they switched a national board. I've been a RN for 5yrs and just graduated as a CNM in May, so i'm hoping to work as a midwife.

How long did it take for you to get your 457 visa? Was it a pretty easy process? How are you liking the New grad program?

I would love to hear your experience and advice as I'm going through the same process. I'm arriving on a work and holiday visa in Nov. and then hoping to find a hospital to sponsor me on a 457 visa. My registation is still in process...been taking a long time since they switched a national board. I've been a RN for 5yrs and just graduated as a CNM in May, so i'm hoping to work as a midwife.

How long did it take for you to get your 457 visa? Was it a pretty easy process? How are you liking the New grad program?

I guess I was in a little bit of a different situation for several reasons but, ill try to answer this the best i can (if I can).

The actual visa doesn't take long. But, to be on that visa (I think) you have to be sponsored. But, you could start work on the work/holiday one with an employer and Im sure that they would sponsor you before your 6 months was finished (you know with the work/holiday you can only work 6 months with one employer and then another 6 months with someone else- a bit silly). In brisbane at least it seems like employers are slowing down with sponsorship because they think it's too expensive.

Can you practice as a midwife here? I just don't know the different laws and such. And I do think if you can practice you will be a lot more qualified than most because I think they do a shorter more condensed course than you did for your CNM but, ill hold my breath when I say I bet you have less independence here as you would in the states. The hospital I work at I don't know anyone that has their masters. Both nurse managers I've had don't and I don't know any one else that does. Maybe someone very high up in management but, I think it's rare (again I could be wrong about this, but that is at least how it is in the hospital I work at).

So for the 457- i think this is how it goes... you lodge an application and then your hospital does to..and then you wait a bit and you get further approval which doesn't take too long- a couple of weeks. and then you have to get a health exam- chest xray all that. and then you send all that in. and pretty soon after you're done. visa didnt take too long- like 3 weeks or so. but, i actually got backed up a bit because it took an extra 2 weeks to get an appointment to see a registered doctor that could approve my paper work. the visa isn't really the hurdle. it's the registration.

I have friends working as nursing assistants (that are RNs) because they have been waiting and waiting for the registration. And, I had the same problem. But, you are lucky you started before you got here. I had the disadvantage because I was a new grad so no one wanted me on a work holiday visa so I had to find someone to sponsor (and train me).

How do I like the new graduate program? I don't really feel like a new graduate most days. Well Im not really treated like one. I feel like I was just thrown into the deep end with little guidance. I had someone supervise me for like two days and was sent on my own. So the first couple of months I pretty much held my breath all day and hoped my patients didn't code (which they frequently do on my floor). But, I have a great team of nurses that I work with and everyone is super supportive. I tend to work weekends because the pay is a lot better (sundays are time and 75%)-woah! And pay is pretty good once you throw in the shift differentials. that being said the cost of living is higher. oh, and you get to pick what shifts you work at my hospital. I mostly choose to work from 1pm-930. But, we have a morning shift too 630am-330pm. and another evening shift 215pm-1045pm. I pretty much always get what shifts I want and I sign up for them two weeks in advance.

My hospital is very flexible with my schedule which is really nice, and I get spoiled. If I want to take a few days off but, dont have any vacation time- they let me take it off as time without pay. and we get a hefty amount of time off anyways. I think I get about 8 weeks a year when all is said and done depending how many night shifts I work.

And melbourne is great- i think I saw a post saying you were going there. I go down there frequently because my boyfriends parents are from melbourne. If I could move somewhere else it would be melbourne. Im just stuck here while my BF is doing his PhD here. But, I can't complain about brisbane. sunny year round.

hope that helped a little.

bests of luck

also- do you have to take the english test? they keep changing the guidelines. nearly weekly there is a new law into place.

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Thanks for the comments Lammy! Yeah, I've been working on the registration part since May! I'm hoping that it will finally be approved by December at the latest (at least that's the time frame that AHPRA is giving me). I did have to take the English test....pretty silly if you ask me given that English is my first and only language!

As far as I can tell the training for CNM is more extensive then Australian midwives. I did an observation on the maternity wards in Melbourne and I think your right, the midwives seem to have less autonomy in Australia. But the midwifery role is a bit different in many ways...they act as the labor and delivery nurse in addition to filling the midwifery role (different from USA). But I'm open to trying it cause I'm sick of doing the long distance relationship thing! My boyfriend lives in Melbourne.

i hear you about the long distance relationship thing. that's why i moved here too. and let me tell you it's worth it :-).

where did you do your CNM? Im in the process of applying to NP schools for psych (PMHNP). And my boyfriend and I are going to move back to the states next June, so I can hopefully start somewhere in the fall. But, I realize if I come back here anytime with a PMHNP there is virtually no role for me, ha. So hopefully we will stay put in the states for a bit.

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