I think my instructors hates me!!!!

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well let me start off by saying that i know most of you guys probably have seen a million and one post/thread where ppl need to vent. so i guess this one will be a million and two.. (thanks in advance for even taking your to read this)

ok let me say that i am truly p***** off big time at my school.

ever since we started medical surgical nursing, maternity, and psychiatrict nursing our instructors have always been giving extra points on tests because some people did poorly on tests. now keep in mind that these are always the same people every single time. theyare also the ones that are always flapping their beaks in class when lecture is going on, they are also the people that purposely do not come to class on the day of an exam and then ask other people what was on the test. they are also the people that are arguing :argue: with the professors in class about how they are right and the professors do not know what they are talking about because they spoke to their friend who is a cna and told them something otherwise (no disrespect to any cna's).

the second thing that ticks me off is the fact we are giving a total of 8 clinical days that we are allowed to miss for the entire program. and i know for a fact that people have gone way over that and they are still there. but if i am 5 minutes late they are all over me and putting it on record that i was late, and the director is calling me in her office to ask me why i was late and have me do a 1 page paper on what i will do differently next time to prevent me from being tardy. now keep in mind that to this date i have never been absent from lecture or clinical i have only been late to clinical once since august of 2008 when the program started. i have to commute by bus everyday while everyone else drives, yet i am the one need to explain myself while they dont.

the last thing that is erking me is that the other day three of us had to do med pass with our instructor (keep in mind this is not the first one either) so basically the instructor was just watching us to see if we knew what to do without her having to prompt us. two of the girls messed up big time on their med calculation to see how much of a certain medication patient x was suppose to be getting (which by the way when the instructor pointed it out to them they basically laughed it off and said that this is the reason why you are here to supervise us ). now because i know that i am always being watched like a hawk i made sure i did what i was suppose to do and did the 3 checks. know my five rights. the patient i had to administer the meds to is a patient that this particular instructor has assigned to me about 2 times prior to this incident. so when i went to administer the medications to the patients my instructor is like how do you know this is the right patient you did not check the wrist band, and i was like the patient does not have one (by the way 1/2 of the patients in this particular nursing home dont have one on their arms, its either in their drawers or lost a long time ago, so the nursing home keeps a picture in the mar for id purposes) and i know the patient because you assigned this patient 2 times previously. to make a long story short she took me into an empty conference room and basically ripped me a new a**hole and let me know that she could have given me a warning for patient safety.

while she is saying all these things to me all i could think was *** :eek: is going on and what about the other 2 students that could've killed their patients this morning and you did not reprimand them for it. i am truly trying to think back to day one and think of what did i ever do to deserve this kind of ridicule in school. i have always been a quiet person in school i never had any type of confrontation with anyone, never argued with any of the instructors. dispite the fact i felt though i have been treated unfairly at times. i have only one semester left and i have this fear that i may not make it to the end (not because i am an incompetent student but that the instructor will find something to nit pick about and get me thrown out)

when i complained to some of my family members about the incident i was told by most of them that i should be thankful that the instructors and directors are giving me a hard time because it shows that they have confidence/faith in me to be a good nurse and blah blah blah blah.

one friend i have told me that if i am going to be this sensitive and whining then nursing is not for me. she also told me that i should mind my own business and stop worrying what other people are not getting called on. i can respect her opinion but where is the justice in all this?

*when i was first inquiring about my school i was told that it was a very school that has been training nurses for over 50+ years and since 1992 have maintained a 100% pass rate on the nclex so i guessed that they must have been doing something right. also their graduates have never have a problem getting a job after graduation.

fyi: **i personally think that they have a very good cirriculum and i do feel like i am learning what i am suppose to. the class did a practice nclex on what we have completed up to this point, and i had a very good score on all the things that we did so far**

i am a firm believer that sometimes people need to mind their own business and worry about themselves. but i just dont thik that is fair to myself and other people that try and do their best to be on time, not be absent, or study very hard to earn their grades while others are just having everything handed to them free.

i just need to know am i letting things bother me more than it has to?

should i be writing a letter of complaint to the director of the program's boss?

or should i just finish out the next semester which will be my last one and leave well enough alone?

i hate to be a complainer but i don't know what else to do......

:imbari am truly not a happy camper!!!:crying2:

any advice on how i should handle this issue would truly be appreciated, so will any comments ,i will not take them personal.

thanks again for reading this long thread that is full of nothing but complaints

-neen:o

Christine2009

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Wow! Okay, first off I would do EVERYTHING by the book regardless if you know a pt or not. Secondly, I know that it might seem unfair that you are getting "picked" on, but there is ALWAYS one or two in the bunch that stir up trouble and nothing is done about it. Since you only have one semester left, I would just try and complete the program. Remember that those girls who are stiring up trouble will have a hard time passing the NCLEX and getting a job. You on the otherhand sound like you have your stuff together.

I would wait until you graduate and then take your concerns to the person who is over the program. I would basically tell them what you wittnessed and even though you are now done with your studies, you wanted your concerns heard.

Hang tough kiddo, you are almost there and just kill everyone with kindness. You are going to be fine even though it may not seem like it right now.

HTH cheer you.

Christine

ZanatuBelmont

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theyare also the ones that are always flapping their beaks in class when lecture is going on, they are also the people that purposely do not come to class on the day of an exam and then ask other people what was on the test. they are also the people that are arguing :argue: with the professors in class about how they are right and the professors do not know what they are talking about because they spoke to their friend who is a cna and told them something otherwise (no disrespect to any cna's).

i understand your frustration, but what you consider arguing with the professor and what the teacher thinks are two different things. let the professor judge the situation - he/she may have a good reason for letting the questions go on like that. sometimes may need to sit back and suck it up, i know i have to in my class. in the end, it's about passing nclex. you may be surprised how much of those annoying questions end up helping you on your state boards.

and i know for a fact that people have gone way over that and they are still there. but if i am 5 minutes late they are all over me and putting it on record that i was late, and the director is calling me in her office to ask me why i was late and have me do a 1 page paper on what i will do differently next time to prevent me from being tardy.

how do you know these people have gone over their limit for missed clinical hours? and if you are in their rotation and do know this for a fact, how do you know the personal circumstances of these students? do you think you know, or do you really know?

while she is saying all these things to me all i could think was *** :eek: is going on and what about the other 2 students that could've killed their patients this morning and you did not reprimand them for it.

i can already point out the difference between your circumstance and the other students. their errors were caught at the medication table before they administered it. if they had made the error, attempted to give it, and had the instructor just found out about the error, then they would have been "ripped a new one," too.

second, your mistake was not checking the wrist band or comparing the photo to the patient. we had the same thing during my first semester (photo in chart and attached to the mar). although checking this photo to the patient each time you go in to administer medications is a pain in the butt (even if you've seen this patient 10 times), it is still even moreso appropriate in nursing school. we are in our programs to make routines. failure to make it a habit to check the identification is a huge no-no in school.

when i complained to some of my family members about the incident i was told by most of them that i should be thankful that the instructors and directors are giving me a hard time because it shows that they have confidence/faith in me to be a good nurse and blah blah blah blah.

your family members are correct.

one friend i have told me that if i am going to be this sensitive and whining then nursing is not for me. she also told me that i should mind my own business and stop worrying what other people are not getting called on. i can respect her opinion but where is the justice in all this?

i have to "side" with your friend. i hate to be so forward, but you do in fact seem to be worrying too much about what other students "get away with." as for the "justice," to be quite honest, there is very little of it in nursing school. we are so low on the ladder it's important for us to remember our entire schooling can be pulled out from under us. judging by your post, i cannot see any mistreatment toward you. i think you need to toughen up your skin a bit.

i really am not trying to be mean in this post. i understand your frustrations, and no, things that happen in nursing school is not always right. but remember, you are the one who will walk yourself across the stage at pinning, not the "slackers." congratulations on making it this far in your program and i wish you the very best!

Daytonite, BSN, RN

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our instructors have always been giving extra points on tests because some people did poorly on tests.

instructors do not give extra points because people did poorly on a test. that makes no sense. instructors give points because their questions were unfair and they recognize that.

if i am 5 minutes late they are all over me and putting it on record that i was late, and the director is calling me in her office to ask me why i was late and have me do a 1 page paper on what i will do differently next time to prevent me from being tardy. . .i am the one need to explain myself while they dont.

i was a manager who hired new grad nurses. one of the questions we asked was about the student's attendance. tardiness, even if a person is 5 minutes late, is a part of attendance and we wanted to know about it. we didn't hire people who were likely to be habitually tardy or absent. and being allowed to miss 8 clinical days is pretty generous. how do you know that no one else didn't have to explain themselves to the director of the nursing program for their tardys or missed clinical days? how do you know they weren't lying and telling everyone that they didn't have to write a paper for the director either just to save being embarrassed?

when i went to administer the medications to the patients my instructor is like how do you know this is the right patient you did not check the wrist band, and i was like the patient does not have one (by the way 1/2 of the patients in this particular nursing home dont have one on their arms, its either in their drawers or lost a long time ago, so the nursing home keeps a picture in the mar for id purposes) and i know the patient because you assigned this patient 2 times previously. . .she took me into an empty conference room and basically ripped me a new a**hole and let me know that she could have given me a warning for patient safety.

so, i take it that you didn't get a warning, is that right? and, you are still complaining about this instructor? she sounds like a pretty fair minded person. i would have read the policy and procedure to you and probably made you write another paper! in the facility where i worked, that medication wouldn't have been given until a new name band got put on that patient
even though we knew exactly who that patient was
. and if a state surveyor happened to be watching you give those meds from around the corner they would have fined that facility big time for what you did. it's because of this kind of thinking that these laws were enacted in the first place.

one friend i have told me that if i am going to be this sensitive and whining then nursing is not for me. she also told me that i should mind my own business and stop worrying what other people are not getting called on.

your friend said it better than any of us here.

also their graduates have never have a problem getting a job after graduation.

we asked for recommendations from your instructors when we hired. as i said, you were lucky that your instructor didn't write you up for patient safety because that is one of the things we asked about as well as attendance.
your instructor obviously knows this
. you don't see that she is helping you and already looking ahead at your future, do you?

i just dont thik that is fair to myself and other people that try and do their best to be on time, not be absent, or study very hard to earn their grades while others are just having everything handed to them free.

do you think a job is about "trying" to be on time, "trying" not to be absent or having easy patients to take care of? do you think just doing mediocre will be ok with a boss? i cringe at the performance you will probably turn in at a nursing job. i predict you will probably wind up in a heap of trouble if you ever make it through nursing school and become employed as an lpn because an employer doesn't have to put up with you since they pay you to do things their way or else they boot you out the door. you ought to re-think what being employed as a professional is about. it is not just clocking in and clocking out. go work at mcdonald's if that is what you think a job and paycheck is. nursing is a profession. we have pride in what we do.

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instructors do not give extra points because people did poorly on a test. that makes no sense. instructors give points because their questions were unfair and they recognize that.

how do you even know this? i attend a nursing program where the same thing happen. just as i was told that they do not discriminate. we are all human and we are capable of doing anything.

example: i was in a clinical setting one day and over heard my instructors talking to another nurse about "those incompetent nig*** she has that are called students" when i first initially reported to our program director i got the predictable response "a nursing instructor would never do that" and was asked if i knew what slander meant.

what they did not know was that this instructor liked to talked and yes against school policy i recorded her with my cell phone and sent a copy via email to her. all i knew was i came to class the next day and that instructor was no longer there. so please spare us the bs and only type what a instructor would not do which honestly i cannot think of right now.

i was a manager who hired new grad nurses. one of the questions we asked was about the student's attendance. tardiness, even if a person is 5 minutes late, is a part of attendance and we wanted to know about it. we didn't hire people who were likely to be habitually tardy or absent. and being allowed to miss 8 clinical days is pretty generous. how do you know that no one else didn't have to explain themselves to the director of the nursing program for their tardys or missed clinical days? how do you know they weren't lying and telling everyone that they didn't have to write a paper for the director either just to save being embarrassed?

well let me see if i was a nursing manager and had to choose between a student who was late once and another student who was habitually late all the time..... hmmmm i have to think seriously about which one i would choose (and for a long time too.)
:yeah:
let me see what i can dig up from my vast experience in nursing school. we have a student at our school that constantly misses clinical days and have a mountain full of tardies, are they giving her a hard time about it? no they are not, and is she still there? yes she is...... and how could i possibly know this? because she is my sister:eek: (sad to say but this is the truth). and i am positively sure other student have gotten hammered for being late and not even having 1/5 of the tardies or absent as she does. i wonder why is that?

so, i take it that you didn't get a warning, is that right? and, you are still complaining about this instructor? she sounds like a pretty fair minded person. i would have read the policy and procedure to you and probably made you write another paper! in the facility where i worked, that medication wouldn't have been given until a new name band got put on that patient even though we knew exactly who that patient was. and if a state surveyor happened to be watching you give those meds from around the corner they would have fined that facility big time for what you did. it's because of this kind of thinking that these laws were enacted in the first place.

hmmmm..... etana it would be nice to know if you got a warning or not. i am not mrs. cleo so i wont even try to figure it out.. but anyway, can someone please let me know when did it become the responsibilty of a nursing student to obtain id bracelets for patients please? also, you claim that your instructor have given you this patient twice before, did she ever pick up on this? do you even know if she has ever used another student to give meds on this patient. i would more likely think so.. i repeat my question again. did she ever pick up on this? ans if so i wonder if she did the right thing and report it to the nursing director of that particular unit? and if she did and they did nothing about it why is she continuing to give meds to this patient knowing that a "state surveyor" can pop in at any moment. is this the student the one holding a valid license or her? some one please let me know?

as far as i can recall students work under the instructors license and not the other way around. seems to me your instructor needs to write a paper on the policy and procedures herself.

your friend said it better than any of us here.

honestly i think you do need to toughen up because the more i read this reply, and the more i am in a clinical setting i am really starting to believe that nurses do eat their young. this is one of the many attitudes that you will come across from people. not everyone is going to be on your side, and please do not expect anyone to be. i absolutely do not see anything wrong with you voicing your opinions and how you feel. if you sincerely feel that you are not being treated fairly who is anyone to tell you otherwise. however, i do think that if this something you sincerely feel as if you cannot brush off and put to the side i would sugges that you do it in a professional manner. just remember that there are ways in which you must go about things.

we asked for recommendations from your instructors when we hired. as i said, you were lucky that your instructor didn't write you up for patient safety because that is one of the things we asked about as well as attendance. your instructor obviously knows this. you don't see that she is helping you and already looking ahead at your future, do you?

etana, this is what i have figured out this much in nursing school. always do things by the book. especially if you know that people have their eye on you. it would be nice if someone did a survey where people answered honestly about if they have given meds to a patient without a id bracelet that they knew? and how many nursing managers actually made sure that the patients were waering their id bracelet before any medication administration was done? and while i am at it if patient x had a heart rate of 140 bpm and had digoxin prescribed how many of those nursing directors whould halt med pass to that patient to put on a id bracelt? does anyone know? i am just curious.

and yes your instructor could have written you up for patient safety but she did not and that i would be grateful for. however, i am just curious if she applied the same rules to any of the other student's. like i said i am just curious i do not know this instructor.. neither am i passing any type of judgement on or about her

do you think a job is about "trying" to be on time, "trying" not to be absent or having easy patients to take care of? do you think just doing mediocre will be ok with a boss? i cringe at the performance you will probably turn in at a nursing job. i predict you will probably wind up in a heap of trouble if you ever make it through nursing school and become employed as an lpn because an employer doesn't have to put up with you since they pay you to do things their way or else they boot you out the door. you ought to re-think what being employed as a professional is about. it is not just clocking in and clocking out. go work at mcdonald's if that is what you think a job and paycheck is. nursing is a profession. we have pride in what we do.

wow..... and where is the a for effort?

ummm... i am combing through etana's thread and i failed to see anywhere where she stated she was looking for an easy patient.. please somebody help me look......

where did she state that her or her instructors thought that she is a mediocre student nurse? or that she thought being a mediocre nurse would be ok with an employer or most importantly the patients? please somebody help me look?

where did she state that she ever thought that being employed as a professional was clocking in and out? somebody please help me look? pretty please.....

one of my instructor who i highly respect as a nurse, and as an individual once told me this "if you can show me a nurse in this world who can tell someone that they have never made a med error i will gladly tell them that they are a liar." when did anyone start defining that because you made mistakes in nursing school then you will be a bad nurse? etana if i were you i would hold true to what your other classmates said i am here to learn. no one does anything perfect the first time... now i say show me a nurse who has never made any type of mistakes in the real nursing world or as a student no matter how minor they are and i will show you someone that i will call a darn liar..

and finally, the mcdonalds statement:angryfire. so people that work in that type of setting do not take pride in what they do right? so people that work at mcdonalds arent considered professionals right? i wonder what the managers, supervisors, and franchise owners would think about that? just curious.... i mean obviously they are so low on the totem pole that they arent even regarded or noticed. (i mean talk about throwing people in the trash when they are not considered useful) and while we are on the topic of pride i know and have seen many nurses that take absolutely no pride in what they do. some of them even think that just because they hold a nursing license they dont have to do the so called "dirty work". and i also know of nurses who does it clearly for the money. so please do not even try to act like all nurses love what they do. i have seen too many nurses that should have retired long ago who are clearly burned out and just plain miserable. where is the pride in that? now do not get me wrong i am not bashing all nurses because i have come across some wonderful nurses who does everything and then some to make sure their patients are comfortable, well taken care of, and have the highest quality of life as humanly possible. to talk about someone personality, their integrity as a person, or what type of nurse he or whe will make or being quick to make judgements based on he/she trying to vent or seek some kind of advice is just plain ole' pathetic, embarassing, and ignorant.if you are a making a living as an predictor mrs. cleo then you need to tell me what will happen when i graduate from nursing school and pass my boards.. will i be a horrible nurse because i made an error in nursing school? will i be a great nurse because i got all a's on all my exams, went thorugh clinical with no warnings or complaint? no it will not... so please go and find something better to do with your time and stop trying to play god.. just goes to show...not because someone has a msn, bsn, adn etc. it does not always mean that they have common sense or any type of sense for that matter.

its so funny this particular response is full of negative comments and all of etana's post/thread was not pasted. am i the only one that think something about that is wrong?

i wonder who stepped on her toes?

:ancong!: etana on making it this far. you have one more semester to go. pass your nclex and start taking care of your patients. do not be discouraged by impudent people with ignorant statements. when you come across people like that just smile and be thankful that you do have them around. because to be honest you would not know what you can do. if someone is telling you that they can predict that you will be poor nurse just by one post then it should give you more of an initiative to be a darn good nurse a excellent one at that (remember no one on allnurses. com can give you a license or take one from you/ neither can they make or break you). so you see these types of people can be useful. all you have to do is make sure that you learn from your mistakes (that more or liklely you will make). provide the best care to your patients. remember that they are the ones that matter. keep your head high and smile everyday and take pride in the fact that one day you will change lives. nursing is not just a profession as people would like to claim. let it be something that you love.. just my two cents:twocents:

if you need to talk or vent feel free to pm me anytime.

toodles

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prospective2010lpn. . .nina, student nurse. . .all i can say is "birds of a feather flock together."

Etana85

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well i honestly do appreciate all the responses i got on my problem that i had.

zanatubelmont

i really appreciate your feedback and i sincerely understand what u are saying. i guess i was just so upset i did not look at it from that point of view.

christine2009

i also did appreciate your response.

prospective2010lpn

:yeah:thank you for everything you said in your post. and yes all those things you said are true. i do not let people set standards for me. neither do i let people who are insignificant to me define me. no one knows what another day may bring. even though what you said in reference to the mcdonalds statement is true i had to laugh because i find it so amazing what people consider to be a low class job, the type of jobs that are meant for "those kind of people" and i knew who she was referring to. anyways thank you.

daytonite

i was somewhat disappointed at how how you jumped to this conclusion without knowing anything much about me in reference to what type of student i am or what type of nurse i will become. but to honest i am not in the least surprised. now do not get me wrong i am not looking for any type of pity party i was just simply venting, and i thought that it was ok on this website. i need to know what your secret is on how to predict what a nurse to be potential is via the internet without knowing that person's background or knowing that person at all?. and

i seriously would like to ask you "are you telling me that when you went to nursing school you never made an error?" "every single nursing action you have taken in your 32 years of nursing you never made a mistake?". i sincerely doubt that.

and fyi yes they do give points because people have failed an exam. as far as i am concerned when an instructor thinks a question is unfair they would let the class on a whole know what that particular question was and why it was thrown out. now correct me if i am wrong when an entire class gets an extra 10 or 12 points on an exam is that called a curve or giving an extra point because a question was unfair? as far as i am concerned the only reason why the entire class got the points was because they did not want it to look bad that only certain persons recieved those points.

when certain students are given remedial work because they failed a test i would like to know who is benefiting from that. the entire class or them?

and finally when six students are given finals a second time around who is benefiting from that? as far as i am concerned finals are called just that for a reason. because it should be final... and yes that particular situation with the finals they did try to keep it on the "hush hush" so please before you start talking about what makes sense and what does not please be a 200% sure. i am there and you are not. i know because some of these individuals are people that i communicate with all the time and yes they will brag about it.

maybe i phrased my statement wrong before so let me re-phrase it. yes i do make it to clinical and lecture on time all the the except for that one day when i was 5 minutes late. i do not "try". yes i do study hard to earn my grades. my 3.9 gpa at that. i do not "try". i provide excellent care to my patients "i do not try". until that one clinical incident i have gotten nothing but good evaluations from my instructors. like i said in my previous post i just thought that others were not held to same standards as i was. it seemed to me that those who followed the rules were held to it. and those who did not, were not held to the rules. so please give your little speech to that same girl from my previous post who was in the med room that laughed when the teacher told her about her medication error. to make a long story short she was dismissed from the program today because she was caught trying to pay another student to do her am care, and it was found out that this has been going on for a long time too. i suppose that by whatever standard or magical premonition/prediction you use to define a good nurse she would have fallen under the "good nurse" category right? our instructors even have students at times supervise a procedure's such as wound care, g-tube flushes, dressing changes etc if she is with other students doing a procedure. does she ever have me or other students who she deems ok to supervise others? yes she does because i am good student and have done those procedures time and time again. and as for you insinuating that i want easy patients i really have to laugh. do you even know me or know anything about me? you should be ashamed to even make that statement about someone going to work at mcdonalds because they cannot handle being a professional "the nerve!!" what makes you think that someone working at mcdonalds cannot be a professional? i cant even imagine what you would think of your aides that work for you, i guess you figure that those individuals are beneath you and i guess because they clean "crap" then they too cannot be a professional or even considered one. right?

you cannot define me as a nurse. i define myself by the type of care that i give to my patients and so does my instructors.

"and yes birds of a feather do flock together so keep on flying with the pathetic ones on to the next post/thread."

p.s

for anyone that wants to know or even cares. i spoke to that particular instructor about the situation and basically she let me know that yes she was furious with me not because she thought i was incompetent but that i should not have made that mistake because i have done med pass with other instructors before and these things should be second nature to me by now. so one more semester left until graduation, nclex and nursing world here i come!!!:yeah:

ndc, spn

Daytonite, BSN, RN

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what is interesting is that you spent a great deal of time describing, in detail, the wrongdoings of classmates and instructors and yet fail to see your own shortcomings. how is it that you clearly see their faults, but cannot admit to your own?

you say so will any comments ,i will not take them personal. isn't that what you just did? take what i said very personal? i would say that is clear evidence that we can't believe what you say. if we can't believe what you say, then what else have you told us that isn't true?

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