How to work with acute-minded nurses in LTC setting?

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Maybe some of you can help me and some of my colleagues (RN) where I work.

I have been working a number of years in an LTC facility and things have generally run along well with other colleagues. We have had a very supportive team.

Recently two younger but experienced nurses were hired to work on my floor opposite me. I am not sure of their backgrounds, but both have worked fairly extensively in acute care prior to this, but I believe they both have come into their new positions with some LTC experience.

As the weeks and months go by I and a few of the other nurses have become alarmed at the aggressive nature that these nurses appear to display in the way they seem to manage the problems on the floor. There are always a bunch of residents on antibiotics at any one time, a reddened area under a breast or groin will have a request flying to the doctor for an antibiotic, a urine result that is contaminated will do the same, or any cloudy appearance. Lab results are scrutinised and faxed to doctors (who get the results anyway) with remarks and suggestions on what treatment options should be thought of, asking them to initiate certain treatments that we others feel are not necessary and not in the interests of our elderly residents, and are concerned that this approach can undermine our good relationships with our doctors.They do procedures which we others feel,are uncalled for, but get "its the only way to do it." kind of thing. I am not the only nurse that feels this way. I mean, this place where we work are these residents' home, its not a hospital. And its not that we do not want to work and learn new things, and support our colleagues. We generally have had a very supportive team. The problem is that when we have approached these two nurses with some of these issues they become quite aggressive and emphatic. Our nursing manager is very nice and helpful when we need her, but we are getting the idea that we think she doesn't quite know how to handle this, or maybe is unaware of how it is affecting things. We haven't had this as a problem before. The acuity is increasing, the workload is becoming unmanageable and I think its time for us older ones to nip this in the bud. How do you think we should tackle this and still keep the supportive culture in our facility intact??

We always notify the doctor, state regs, but they allow us to try ways that don't require prescription antibiotics. If someone has an acute situation come up we fax the doctor and they usually ask them to come in if possible. UTI's that are chronic receive a daily dose of antibiotics. I have done both acute and long term care. I think if possible the patient should be involved in deciding what treatment is given. There are other ways of curing redness than antibiotics. Also it doesn't mean they aren't getting good skin care. We have a very good dermal nurse but we still get skin irritations. I have skin folds and large breasts and after a shift running around and sweating they are often red and painful.

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

What is this??? Med Techs Charting .... Are you kidding me? Not on my floor . Med techs are not allowed to take orders from Doc's at least not here in Texas. OHHHH MMMYYYYYY

My boss comes from a hospital background and has tried to run things a bit like a hospital. The new company that took over our facility seems to be more aggressive as well. Now all of sudden the med techs are expected to do things like write in "Progress Notes" and "Alert Charting", and God forbid anything should happen with one of the residents. If they get a skin tear, the med tech in charge gets to call the doctor and ask for an antibiotic, then it's time to fax the pharmacy. And if a resident needs to go the hospital, God help the med tech. They'll be calling everyone from the director to Santa Claus, and will spend a good deal of time going blind on paperwork.

Whatever happened to the good old days when we had the 24-hour report book and the pocket worksheet? :o

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
If they get a skin tear, the med tech in charge gets to call the doctor and ask for an antibiotic, then it's time to fax the pharmacy.

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

Med techs in charge of what ?????:uhoh21: The floor, the unit or the facillity.. Where is the nurse? What kind of mickey mouse operation is this?:uhoh3:

My boss comes from a hospital background and has tried to run things a bit like a hospital. The new company that took over our facility seems to be more aggressive as well. Now all of sudden the med techs are expected to do things like write in "Progress Notes" and "Alert Charting", and God forbid anything should happen with one of the residents. If they get a skin tear, the med tech in charge gets to call the doctor and ask for an antibiotic, then it's time to fax the pharmacy. And if a resident needs to go the hospital, God help the med tech. They'll be calling everyone from the director to Santa Claus, and will spend a good deal of time going blind on paperwork.

Whatever happened to the good old days when we had the 24-hour report book and the pocket worksheet? :o

Specializes in LTC, Hospice, Case Management.

What do you mean by med tech? We have QMA's in my state - they are just to pass medications. Is this what you mean?

Honestly, I would love to have this kind of nurse attend to my grandparent in a LTC facility. The elderly die of uti's and other infections that are easily treated, so what's wrong with doing skin checks & getting antibiotics ordered?? A far larger problem in LTC is neglect & understaffing -- I'd rather have the extra attention any day! And as for faxing info & getting orders, they're doing the right thing in my opinion! They're acting as advocates for their patients.

Nurses in acute care often see pt's from LTC facilities admitted to the hospital for conditions that spring from neglect -- uti's, contractures, poor dental hygiene, skin breakdown, and common infections. It's so, so sad. I understand the sense of urgency & passion that these nurses you describe have for this population!!!!

I am a nurse just in transition from hospital accute care to LTC and I cannot help but agree here...

The med tech thing kind of scarred me too, I have to say.... Where's the LPN or the RN???? :uhoh21:

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