How do you deal with Non-Urgent Patients

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I'm really getting burned out very quickly with the life sucking force of non-urgent patients in the ER. I've been in ER for 3 years now (2 nursing NS as a tech, 1 as an RN). I'm not new to the obvious abuse of the system but lately I would rather hear nails down a chalkboard that listen to these people in triage with their c/o they've had for 6-7 months.

It seemed to plauge us Wed night something awful. Our entire ER filled up in 15 mins. with things that obviously could've been addressed at a PCP or Urgent Care. Which, BTW, those are abudent in our area. And, you don't have to wait to get into a PCP, most have same day appts. We even have a great Urgent Care that sees patients until midnight down the road from the ER.

How do others deal with this?

Let me give you examples of Wed night. URI s/s for 30+ days. It hurts when I insert a tampon. Back pain for 6 months. I hit a wall 3 weeks ago and I just now think it needs to be checked depite the fact I have full ROM and no swelling and/or pain right now. My child has a "fever" of 98.6. My child was exposed to chicken pox 3 days ago. A man with totally vague s/s during triage and later we find out, he just wants a physical and a work note. A woman with chronic dental pain, on ATB already, the tooth has been pulled AND she already had pain meds at home.

Our Urgent Care and PCP can all order labs/X-rays from their office and people can come to hospital for OUTPATIENT stuff. Our Urgent Care is open until midnight 7 days a week. Our lab and/or X-ray will see patients until midnight as well. We even have 2 PCP's that see patients until 7p.m. at night. Obviously they have bent over backwards to address the needs of working people here.

Usually I don't even mind people who come in with minor c/o and not really emergencies,. But for the last couple of months I find myself having this urge to just scream whenever I hear WEEKS or MONTHS in their sentences during triage. I can't even begin to describe the feeling I get when I hear "nothing" when I ask what they've done for the said complaint that has plauged them for WEEKS or MONTHS.

Then we have a staff meeting about the stupid PG and how we are slacking and how we need to improve customer satisfaction. I could come up with the ways, but I don't think the hospital would find my ways very funny. ;)

I'm at my wits end I really am.

I need some great words of wisdom or some humor or something to continue this madness. :idea:

Specializes in ER, Geriatrics, Case Mgmt, Corrections,.

Hello All! :)

Our hospital and many hospitals here in Florida have taken a stance on non-urgent patients. We follow EMTALA law, which states that everyone has the right to be assessed for a medical emergency regardless of their ability to pay or not. We follow that. All patients are triaged in thier normal fashion. When a level 4 or 5 patient (non-urgent) is brought back to fast track, they are evaluated by either an ER physician or PA or ARNP. If they do not have a medical emergency, regardless of insurance, non-insured, etc. They are told by the Provider that they do not have a medical emergency. They are told that a Financial Counselor will be coming to speak with them. A financial counselor from Registration comes and advises them that they have been evaluated and do not have a medical emergency at this time. They can choose to continue to be treated, however they will be required to put up a $125.00 deposit. Once they hear this, NOBODY decides to stay and I document that they pt chooses to leave and does not wish to continue treatment. They are given discharge instructions and advised of where to follow up and also provided with a list of local area clinics. They are billed a triage fee, I believe of $100.00 and thats that. We have been doing this for several months now and we heard a pt say that he heard that our hospital doesnt treat chronic pain anymore... There's an old saying that if you keep feeding the dogs, they will come back for more!

:nuke:

Specializes in ICU,ER.
Hello All! :)

Our hospital and many hospitals here in Florida have taken a stance on non-urgent patients. We follow EMTALA law, which states that everyone has the right to be assessed for a medical emergency regardless of their ability to pay or not. We follow that. All patients are triaged in thier normal fashion. When a level 4 or 5 patient (non-urgent) is brought back to fast track, they are evaluated by either an ER physician or PA or ARNP. If they do not have a medical emergency, regardless of insurance, non-insured, etc. They are told by the Provider that they do not have a medical emergency. They are told that a Financial Counselor will be coming to speak with them. A financial counselor from Registration comes and advises them that they have been evaluated and do not have a medical emergency at this time. They can choose to continue to be treated, however they will be required to put up a $125.00 deposit. Once they hear this, NOBODY decides to stay and I document that they pt chooses to leave and does not wish to continue treatment. They are given discharge instructions and advised of where to follow up and also provided with a list of local area clinics. They are billed a triage fee, I believe of $100.00 and thats that. We have been doing this for several months now and we heard a pt say that he heard that our hospital doesnt treat chronic pain anymore... There's an old saying that if you keep feeding the dogs, they will come back for more!

:nuke:

We have been doing the exact same thing for the past month now and I've gotta tell you.........I LOVE IT!!!

There are two other hospitals in town and I've heard that they are feeling it. (All of our non-emergent abusers are going over to them)

I don't think it will be long before the other two facilities will start doing it as well.

Like I said, it's only been a month, but I'm a fan.

Specializes in Peds, ER/Trauma.
Hello All! :)

Our hospital and many hospitals here in Florida have taken a stance on non-urgent patients. We follow EMTALA law, which states that everyone has the right to be assessed for a medical emergency regardless of their ability to pay or not. We follow that. All patients are triaged in thier normal fashion. When a level 4 or 5 patient (non-urgent) is brought back to fast track, they are evaluated by either an ER physician or PA or ARNP. If they do not have a medical emergency, regardless of insurance, non-insured, etc. They are told by the Provider that they do not have a medical emergency. They are told that a Financial Counselor will be coming to speak with them. A financial counselor from Registration comes and advises them that they have been evaluated and do not have a medical emergency at this time. They can choose to continue to be treated, however they will be required to put up a $125.00 deposit. Once they hear this, NOBODY decides to stay and I document that they pt chooses to leave and does not wish to continue treatment. They are given discharge instructions and advised of where to follow up and also provided with a list of local area clinics. They are billed a triage fee, I believe of $100.00 and thats that. We have been doing this for several months now and we heard a pt say that he heard that our hospital doesnt treat chronic pain anymore... There's an old saying that if you keep feeding the dogs, they will come back for more!

:nuke:

Oh my god- I LOVE this idea! I want to work where you work! By the way, I'm thinking of settling in Tampa when I'm done traveling- care to share where you work??? You can PM me if you want...

Thanks!

Specializes in ED.
What we've started doing at our ER is.... we screen them out. If they do not meet emergent requirements, they are asked to pay their copay if they have insurance, 110 bucks if they don't. Word has gotten out and we don't see nearly as many non-emergent patients as we used to.

Now that is a hell of an idea! I ought to bring that one up to our manager, wonder if they would go for it.

Specializes in ED.

you know whats bad though, where I live by law we cannot give any type of medical information over the phone. So even if someone calls for something stupid that we can help them with, we have to tell them to call their pcp or come to the ER if they think its an emergency. Well of course they think its an emergency, they all come in anyway. I think we just need a telephone triage person. Might help to keep the secretary sane as well lol.

Specializes in OR, OB, EM, Flight, ICU, PACU.......
I'm really getting burned out very quickly with the life sucking force of non-urgent patients in the ER. I've been in ER for 3 years now (2 nursing NS as a tech, 1 as an RN). I'm not new to the obvious abuse of the system but lately I would rather hear nails down a chalkboard that listen to these people in triage with their c/o they've had for 6-7 months.

It seemed to plauge us Wed night something awful. Our entire ER filled up in 15 mins. with things that obviously could've been addressed at a PCP or Urgent Care. Which, BTW, those are abudent in our area. And, you don't have to wait to get into a PCP, most have same day appts. We even have a great Urgent Care that sees patients until midnight down the road from the ER.

How do others deal with this?

Let me give you examples of Wed night. URI s/s for 30+ days. It hurts when I insert a tampon. Back pain for 6 months. I hit a wall 3 weeks ago and I just now think it needs to be checked depite the fact I have full ROM and no swelling and/or pain right now. My child has a "fever" of 98.6. My child was exposed to chicken pox 3 days ago. A man with totally vague s/s during triage and later we find out, he just wants a physical and a work note. A woman with chronic dental pain, on ATB already, the tooth has been pulled AND she already had pain meds at home.

Our Urgent Care and PCP can all order labs/X-rays from their office and people can come to hospital for OUTPATIENT stuff. Our Urgent Care is open until midnight 7 days a week. Our lab and/or X-ray will see patients until midnight as well. We even have 2 PCP's that see patients until 7p.m. at night. Obviously they have bent over backwards to address the needs of working people here.

Usually I don't even mind people who come in with minor c/o and not really emergencies,. But for the last couple of months I find myself having this urge to just scream whenever I hear WEEKS or MONTHS in their sentences during triage. I can't even begin to describe the feeling I get when I hear "nothing" when I ask what they've done for the said complaint that has plauged them for WEEKS or MONTHS.

Then we have a staff meeting about the stupid PG and how we are slacking and how we need to improve customer satisfaction. I could come up with the ways, but I don't think the hospital would find my ways very funny. ;)

I'm at my wits end I really am.

I need some great words of wisdom or some humor or something to continue this madness. :idea:

:banghead:And , the most common mental question we ask is; "and what made this an Emergency now!?":banghead:

Specializes in OR, OB, EM, Flight, ICU, PACU.......
What we've started doing at our ER is.... we screen them out. If they do not meet emergent requirements, they are asked to pay their copay if they have insurance, 110 bucks if they don't. Word has gotten out and we don't see nearly as many non-emergent patients as we used to.

:bow:Sounds like the best way to do it. Unfortunately, it takes being backed up by Administration, and most of them have no Gonads!

Specializes in ER.
I work with a doctor that calls rain Troll spray. It keeps the Trolls inside while all those that really need the ER come out. He cracks me up but he's right. Whenever it is raining hard, we don't see that many non urgent patients.

Oh my gosh, I love that...:lol2: We also see alot of non-emergent "trolls". In fact, our number one chief complaint is a bad case of "acute trollitis". Oh and what about that Harry Potter saying... "It's easy to speak troll, all you have to do is point and grunt." On many occasion, I've wondered what kind of reaction this would get in triage...

Cheers to the many overworked, underpaid "drug-dealers" that we've all started to become. However, dispite it all, I wouldn't rather do anything else in the world! We've just got to stick together and stick it out...

You put them in the waiting room and let them rot or get tired of waiting and go home.

Oh my goodness!!!

I am soon to be a Grad Nurse, switching careers in midlife, and I wouldn't ever want your attitude. "Let them rot"? good God almighty, you need to switch departments or careers. I can't believe there are nurses out there with this attitude. I certainly would NOT want you, or anyone with this attitude touching any of my family members.

Oh my goodness!!!

I am soon to be a Grad Nurse, switching careers in midlife, and I wouldn't ever want your attitude. "Let them rot"? good God almighty, you need to switch departments or careers. I can't believe there are nurses out there with this attitude. I certainly would NOT want you, or anyone with this attitude touching any of my family members.

Oh please! Unless you've actually work in an ED and dealt with the ridiculous number of NON URGENT patients we deal with on a daily basis, you have NO CLUE. Quit being so judgmental. The OP wasn't serious. Just venting.

Specializes in Peds, ER/Trauma.
Oh my goodness!!!

I am soon to be a Grad Nurse, switching careers in midlife, and I wouldn't ever want your attitude. "Let them rot"? good God almighty, you need to switch departments or careers. I can't believe there are nurses out there with this attitude. I certainly would NOT want you, or anyone with this attitude touching any of my family members.

You'll understand if you ever become an ER nurse... Once you've been an ER nurse for a year and the rose-colored glasses come off, it'll make sense to you why we need to vent like this....

Specializes in ER/SICU/Med-Surg/Ortho/Trauma/Flight.

:banghead::banghead:

You'll understand if you ever become an ER nurse... Once you've been an ER nurse for a year and the rose-colored glasses come off, it'll make sense to you why we need to vent like this....

Exactley!! Work in our world for awhile!!!! And youll end up with that attitude!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

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