I am pretty new to the world of anaesthesia, just doing my research about the field and thinking about applying to crns school in the future.
So..Ive seen many discussions HERE on how crnas can practise independently, crnas do as good of a job as MDAs do etc...but nothing bad towards MDAs whatsoever. People are basically discussing how the present situation in the field is.
I stumbled upon a tread on studentdoctor.com about crnas and OMG these doctors DESPISE crnas, like "we need to treat them like cancer" and "bastardization of the proffesion" etc... they also say things like "shame on cleveland clinic for teaching crnas advanced invasive procedures side by side with residents".
i have always known that most of MD folk are not the nicest people but damn...im shocked to read what they actually think about people who they work with side by side every day. smh...:/
Anyone has any input how crnas get treated by anaesthesiologists? stories?
The professors in the program often say that anesthesia is an art and a science. It can be alarming when they admit to you that we use a certain anesthetic without exact knowledge of why it does something, just that we know it does it. I suppose back in the day it was more trial and error than anything.
A summary of the first part of Watchful Care. It really is science and art. It takes finesse. This was moreso true when all they had was ether and precordial auscultation to titrate their anesthetic. There was this complicated issue through the early 1900s with nurses, female physicians, and male physicians vying for the profession. It used to be rejected by male physicians early on.
Working with several surgeons, I have had a few tell me they prefer CRNAs in the OR with them because the MDAs seem more rusty. Again, this is largely demographic as the hospitals here have several CRNAs. I have an interest in CRNA and had the opportunity to shadow a MDA for a day. He said he has no problem with any CRNAs he has worked with, so long as they have a strong educational background with the "it" factor. He explained that even with MDs, many do great at passing school. But it takes the "it" factor to be a good provider.
I was mildly annoyed when another MD said MDAs don't like CRNAs because it is a shortcut. I was thinking to myself, I have obtained a bachelors with a focus on chemistry, will obtain a BSN in addition to it, and then another 36 months of CRNA training. How is 9 years of schooling in addition to 1-2 years of acute care experience a shortcut?
Working with several surgeons, I have had a few tell me they prefer CRNAs in the OR with them because the MDAs seem more rusty. Again, this is largely demographic as the hospitals here have several CRNAs. I have an interest in CRNA and had the opportunity to shadow a MDA for a day. He said he has no problem with any CRNAs he has worked with, so long as they have a strong educational background with the "it" factor. He explained that even with MDs, many do great at passing school. But it takes the "it" factor to be a good provider.
I was mildly annoyed when another MD said MDAs don't like CRNAs because it is a shortcut. I was thinking to myself, I have obtained a bachelors with a focus on chemistry, will obtain a BSN in addition to it, and then another 36 months of CRNA training. How is 9 years of schooling in addition to 1-2 years of acute care experience a shortcut?
The educational track that you described is a more modern thing with CRNA students. Many graduating CRNA students now and into the future will have a similar background and length of education as you. Although I've been told (never met one) that there are practicing CRNA's who do not hold even a masters degree. Of course, I'm sure they learned amazing anesthesia practice "on the job" and are probably great providers but that would be an example MDA's would refer to as "a shortcut".
Good points. I understand where the mdas are coming from they want to differentiate themselves with medical school n residency they do more intense cases they think that some nurses trying to steal their jobs and their money. But the bottom line is they can't do all those cases in USA they need CRNA's. that's why they are pushing AAs so that can control them. It's all about money job securities finance economics etc. this will never going to be over. But I understand everybody's view. This is nothing but politics not any different than Hillary vs trump. We have to deal with it make money before our health care moves to single party payer and our reimbursements go down.
The educational track that you described is a more modern thing with CRNA students. Many graduating CRNA students now and into the future will have a similar background and length of education as you. Although I've been told (never met one) that there are practicing CRNA's who do not hold even a masters degree. Of course, I'm sure they learned amazing anesthesia practice "on the job" and are probably great providers but that would be an example MDA's would refer to as "a shortcut".
niw CRNA programs are 3 year. DNAP programs. Doctor of nurse anesthesia practice.
niw CRNA programs are 3 year. DNAP programs. Doctor of nurse anesthesia practice.
Yes, I know about these programs, I'm currently in one.
I recommend a program called Grammarly for your struggle with English and grammar. It's a great tool, especially if English is not your primary language.
Working with several surgeons, I have had a few tell me they prefer CRNAs in the OR with them because the MDAs seem more rusty. Again, this is largely demographic as the hospitals here have several CRNAs. I have an interest in CRNA and had the opportunity to shadow a MDA for a day. He said he has no problem with any CRNAs he has worked with, so long as they have a strong educational background with the "it" factor. He explained that even with MDs, many do great at passing school. But it takes the "it" factor to be a good provider.
I was mildly annoyed when another MD said MDAs don't like CRNAs because it is a shortcut. I was thinking to myself, I have obtained a bachelors with a focus on chemistry, will obtain a BSN in addition to it, and then another 36 months of CRNA training. How is 9 years of schooling in addition to 1-2 years of acute care experience a shortcut?
Since anesthesia in the U.S. began as a nursing profession. It makes the short cut argument invalid from the start.
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