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Good day everyone! this is the first time that im writing in here.I hope you can help me with me queries.This is my situation.

I am a second courser nurse.My first degree is BS-Accountancy.Graduated nursing oct 2005 and have been working as an aicu nurse.I have my Nclex already but the US option is taking long so went to canada Ontario and already have paid for the cno assessment for both the rn and rpn.

I have read from some postings here that if one is a second courser there is a chance that one can be approved to take the CRNE. If this is the case how will the cno know that i am a second-courser nurse since they only required the transcript from my nursing school. They didnt require my BS Accountancy transcript.Another is in the forms that they gave for the assessment, there is none there that asks for information if i have other degrees or something like that. It might be that i only missed it so I hope you guys can help so that i can submit or add any documents that would let the cno know that i have another degree to qualify for the 16-year education.

Another question is with regards to my assessment for CRPN. Does my nclex have any bearing to it? \i mean will they let me take the crpn since i have this nclex? hope you guys can share some knowledge and experiences on this matter.thanks lots!!

CNO focuses on where you hold registration so they can verify that you have a record of good standing with those regulating bodies.

dishes

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
by the way i didnt just submit my nclex to cno for no reason at all.the cno form states that i put all my registration so i add there my nclex registration and spent money for the usa bon to sent my registration to cno.that is aside from my registration from the Philippines. if Canada, your country, which now happens to be my also my country, doesnt give meaning or has no value at all to my nclex, then why did the cno require me to submit that document to them?there must be a purpose for that for them..well, im just asking...thank you very much and if you have other inputs id be grateful for that..good day to all!!!

You're confusing REGISTRATION with EXAMINATION. The NCLEX is an EXAMINATION, not a REGISTRATION. CNO wants to be certain that you've been registered by the local authorities wherever you have worked as a nurse. To gain that registration in the US you have to write and pass the NCLEX. That's the only importance the NCLEX has for Canadian Colleges of Nursing. If you never actually worked in the US then CNO isn't likely to care that you're registered there, but more documentation is always better than not enough. I can foresee more confusion on your part as you work your way through this process.

What I mean is I am already registered in the us. and had my registration forwarded to the us.yeah lots of confusion.and I am thankful thankful that you are replying to enlighten my confusion.at least you said that there is some purpose for my submitting my us registration to cno, though how little it is..with regards to where the idea of second courser IEN will be given preference by cno that i have no idea too.thats why i am seeking clarification too from the people around here whom i knows more about this topics.i am just thinking the total of 16 years education, that is 4 years nursing and 12 years pre nursing that is required here in ontario can be acquired too if i have two degrees or a total of more than 16 years.but then its the cnos call.i am just soliciting knowledge from you more knowledgeable people like you guys and that i appreciate much.thanks much!!

I see now where you got the idea about second courser. Since you are already in Toronto and "were swayed by agencies that talk the good talk" does that mean you came to Toronto through an agency and work(ed) as a live-in-caregiver?

dishes

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

I think I have to agree with dishes that you've been led down the garden path - an English expression meaning that you were told what you wanted to hear (that your second degree would move you to the head of the queue to obtain RN licensure here) to get you to do something that will only benefit someone else (working for the agency as a glorified babysitter or housekeeper where they take the lion's share of the money paid to the agency for your services), even though what you were told isn't true (your second degree isn't the key to the golden door). Does that sound about right?

The 16 years of education thing is also a bit jumbled in your understanding. What they're looking for is 12 years of education BEFORE post-secondary education. If you had 11 years of elementary and secondary school, a 5 year honors degree in physics (for example only) and then a 4 year nursing degree, although it adds up to 16 years, it isn't what they want. The way that the College of Registered Nurses of British Columbia explains it, having that second degree will only count under certain circumstances. They have an online assessment tool that should be helpful for people applying to other provinces as well, since most of the requirements are identical. You should look at it. https://www.crnbc.ca/Lists/Flash%20Modules/IEN/player.html

From Question 5:

Many people are interested in being registered as a nurse in British Columbia. However, only individuals who were educated as registered nurses are eligible for registration with CRNBC. (It gives two scenarios as examples and addresses those hwo were educated as physicians or practical nurses.)

From Question 6:

In BC, all nursing programs are post-secondary degree programs. Students begin these programs after 12 years of elementary and secondary school. Usually they are 18 years old when they begin their nursing education. Their nursing education programs are either three calendar years or four academic years long. Applicants who were educated outside of Canada must have education comparable to BC- educated nurses. If you started your nursing education several years before you were 18 and/or your nursing education was less than three calendar or four academic years long your education may not be at the level of a BC nursing program. Was your nursing education at the post-secondary level?

Question 7 refers to the generalist nature of Canadian nursing education, question 8 refers to the previous five years' nursing work experience and its influence on continuing competence and question 10 refers to criminal background checks. It's an excellent tool that explains things as you go along and at the end it leads to other pertinent links that will also apply to other provinces.

You wouldn't be the first to be ensnared in this trap if indeed this is what happened to you; in other stories we've heard, it was people from their own countries who abused them and that's appalling. Some people have no scruples.

I see now where you got the idea about second courser. Since you are already in Toronto and "were swayed by agencies that talk the good talk" does that mean you came to Toronto through an agency and work(ed) as a live-in-caregiver?

dishes

i have a permanent resident visa. my experience as an accountant helped at the same time the nursing experiences..

yes thats whats happening in the Philippines. Agencies are saying that one is qualified so grab the opportunity.not knowing youll end up doing the dirty works at the warehousea and stuff like that. though i didnt go here as a caregiver and have a permanent resident visa, i dont think proper information was given to me to show the realities here.the good thing is i have a relative who has a higher position here in a nursing home that promised an rpn slot for me after il take the crpn exam..(networking here right same as the philippines)..and that person is also the one who gave me an accounting job here in the nursing home..I am doing the bookkeeping now, way below than being an accountant but still im fortunate to have a relative here and i dont need to work as janitor here..even janitors need certificate here...but still rpn pays more so im looking forward to getting the exam if im fortunate enough that the good people at cno would give me that elusive chance to take the rpn exam...more are coming from the philippines like me..and more skills will be wasted as for those immigrant who have no network here will definitely grab those survival jobs...well to each his own..just the realities of this world..hope canada or the philippines could give some solution to this issue..i dont know if that will happen though..for the meantime..well its important to stay positive rather than breakdown coz theres no turning back..i have also my documents processed for the cga examination so that i would know what subjects the cga will require me..paid another 300 though..but its okay rather than wait...working in the morning, studying quickbooks and accpac at night and saturday..until the cnos verdict will i receive then il do what i ought to...il just keep moving on til where the sun shines and there il go..thanks guys...

hello king 2005, I have applied to CNO last year and as far as my initial assessment goes, I was deemed ineligible to write the CRNE in 2009.

I am a graduate of BS Respiratory Therapy and BS Nursing. ( Second courser/Double Degree holder). I have submitted both of my transcripts in each of my degree with course descriptions. But despite the fact of my credentials I was give the option to withdraw or submit additional documents.

Thus far after a year long of application, I have completed 12 units of Masteral Arts in Nursing here in the Philippines and 6 months of Clinic nurse experience. I shall be repackaging my application by submitting my Baccalaureate Equivalency Table together with my employment certificate with the B form and additional transcripts with course description.

My advise to you, get your transcript from your Accountancy degree together with the course descriptions. And also fill in the employment forms as your work experience may fill in the inadequacy of your nursing education ( if ever its inadequate). Communicate with your assessor and provide a time table for the submission of additional documents.

Good Luck :)

It's good to hear that you have family here who can help you. Sounds like you will be keeping very busy while you wait for CNO's decision. After you have your results from the CNO you may want to contact care4nurses as they can help you to understand key points about nursing in Canada and help prepare you to write the Canadian nursing exam.

As far as forewarning other IENs about agencies false promises, several North American posters on allnurses are trying to warn IENs in this forum, but I suspect we are reaching a very small percentage and the majority of Filipino nurses are blindly following the advice of the agencies.

Was the agency you talked to based in the Phillipines? or is it the based in Ontario? If it is based in Ontario you can contact your MPP and see if there are grounds to file a complaint. If it is based in the Phillipines, I am not sure what you can do about it, as my impresssion is that the Filipino government is to slow to deal with fraudulent business practices ..... maybe I am misinformed? You are in a better position to know how to inform your countrymen than I am, so if you have any suggestions on how this information can be disseminated to reach a greater number of Filipino nurses, please let us know.

regards

dishes

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