HELP! I got dismissed from my nursing school

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The school is a private school and this is what happened.

It was my last day of clinical (and last 6 months) and I was supposed to shadow a nurse in the emergency fast track (basically a department dedicated for non emergency care). When I was put there, there were no patients around because the department just opened. So what we did was just talk and after a while she started working on her paper work. This lasted for a good 20 minutes until our first patient arrived.

Unfortunately at this point, I was very tired and I came inside with the patient. Everything was fine, I told the patient I was very tired because I stayed up the night before working on a paper and that today was my last clinical. After that was done, the nurse again started working on her paper work. Again, I just sat there for like almost 10min.

Finally she got up, ready to give a shot to the patient, and I immediately followed her but she told me to stay. After this, she came back and that was the end.

We sat for another half hour doing absolutely nothing. I even went to every patient room to look busy and went to the bathroom to clean it but still I had a great deal of free time. I sat on my chair again, and again started looking very tired. After the shift finally ended my nursing instructor came down to relieve me.

Unfortunately, the nurse told my clinical instructor what happened. My clinical instructor was furious, and a long story short she than told the dean. And then during my clinical evaluation they failed me.

I still don't understand why. I was tired, that was all. They forced the nurse to write a report about what happened, and by force I mean the dean calling that nurse several times for nearly 2 weeks until the nurse finally wrote the report.

Under why I failed it stated because of inconsistencies in performance, and paper work. However, all my paperwork was fine. I passed with everything with at least B's. The same applied to performance. I argued and argued but no avail.

Last week the V.P. of academic affairs gave me my final appeal decision which was that the nursing committee decision stands. Her final decision is "had the POTENTIAL to put patients as risk".

This doesn't make sense. If I wanted to, I could have just told the nurse I am feeling very fatigued and I need to leave. We as nursing students have every right to do that if it may endanger a patient. But obviously that was not the case because I chose to observe that day rather than having a patient assignment, as did others because it was the last day.

I am furious. I want to sue under breach of contract, (nothing states I cannot come to clinical being tired) and being arbitrary and capricious in their decision.

Any advice?

What do I need to prove to win?

Please help.

Additional details

  • All charges against me have been false. From paperwork to performance (have weekly clinical evaluation forms that state I was performing well. I passed all paperwork as wel.
  • I was in the ICU earlier that morning, without incident. Under the watch of many medical personal. No one complained.
  • The nurse report stated "his eyes were closing, nodding off, and jerking himself side to side to stay awake". It does not say I fell asleep. Allegations which the department said I did.
  • I have other nursing students who wrote for me stating that they observed others being extremely tired to clinical. And displayed similar behavior themselves. But no consequences, because obviously it was a onetime thing. (Just like my incident).
  • I was never warned, it was out of nowhere. Previous landmark decisions in court have stated that students are entitled to be told of their inferior performance, in order to improve. I was not told this. And again documentation states I was progressing well.
  • Nothing is objective. Nobody say me physically sleeping. It's one nurse assumption that I was very tired. The school is interpretating the incident as me putting a patient in danger. Impossible seeing that I had no patient assignment.
  • I was merely an observer.

I read your mail and i felt pretty bad. That is nursing for you .As a nurse you shouldnt have allow your patient to know how you are feeling . Telling a patient that you read ----------or that you are tired means you are not calpable to attends to his or her needs at that particular time.A nurse must be above average intelligent and emotional free from problems ''''''''''well as a nurse in training they should have given you a warning .All the same i wish you well THANKS ADEOSUN JOKE :wink2:

I read your mail and i felt pretty bad .That is nursing you. Nest time never allow your cliet or patient to know how you are feeling . A nurse must be above average intelligent and relatively free from emotional stress and dont put sentiment in to issues. You shouldnt have allow your patient to know how you are feeling . You still have time to adjust .Best of luck ..'''''''''''''' ADEOSUN JOKE:nuke:

A nurse must be above average intelligent and emotional free from problems ''''''''''well as a nurse in training they should have given you a warning .All the same i wish you well THANKS ADEOSUN JOKE :wink2:

Uh, nurse in training? Try this: you're held to the same standards when you're at clinicals. You aren't "training" on patients. You're SUPPOSED to be utilizing well learned skills AND critical thinking prior to what you call "training" :rolleyes:

I have to add my two cents in. Basid - My son "nods off in the car" and the second I stop the car, or open the door he is immediatly awake. I have to disagree with you, as I see that as sleeping. I was the manager of a person who slept at work once. He was warned the first time and fired the second. I am not paying people to sleep on the job.

My next scenario is pretty mind blowing. We had a student CNA that was in our class who was found TWO DAYS IN A ROW watching TV in the Alzheimer's unit. She had not completed a single skill on our check sheet. The instructor was told this by not only nurses but fellow students in her class. She was assigned to work with one of the busiest students in the class so that she could not go off and watch TV. She actually had to work. Now, before she was assigned to work with one of the students, she was NOT WARNED about her behavior. She had a good talking to in the middle of clinicals and eventually did not pass her clinicals. Do you think this was fair to the rest of the students in her class or the nurses that had to take up her slack? No. Do you think that it was fair to the nurse on duty to watch you sit with your eyes closed? No. Again, if you were getting paid to be a nurse, do you think you are getting paid to sit with your eyes closed? Do you think the Charge Nurse would put up with that? You are there to be a nurse and utilize nursing skills, paid or not.

My next point...how could you possibly even close your eyes? I've been tired on working shifts before, especially SLOOOW ones. In a hospital there is always something to be done. I've been known to get ice water for all of my patients, stock carts with linens, stock towels and toilet paper in the restrooms of all my patients, change beds (more than once a day - if necessary), paint patients' nails, take them on walks and I've even had to complain to my CI there was nothing for me to do on certain floors on certain days and beg her to reassign me so I could learn something. There's always something to be done.

If I were you, I would learn the lesson of taking responsibility for my actions. If nothing else, I hope that you learn that sometimes, even if we are not in the wrong, that we need to look at the powers and be and say, "I'm so sorry, you're right, that is my fault. It won't happen again". Good luck in all you do.

It will be of no use appealing . Just go back to take the posting again.Nursing is a strict proffession you cant win these battle. All the best. ADEOSUN JOKE'

I haven't even gotten through half of all these posts, but I had to stop and just write because my heart is beating so fast from pure anger! So many people are dragging you down and pouring salt on the wound. One of the first things I noticed about your post is that you used the word "he". Let me tell you, OP, men that I have known in nursing school have it tough. Almost 50% of the males in my nursing class were treated VERY unfairly by the women instructors...my husband included. I dare say if a girl did what you did, she would have received a warning - not a dismissal. (I read from someone else's reply that a girl behaved much more poorly than you and was given another chance. And from personal experience in nursing school, the girls who were caught CLEARLY breaking the rules in various semesters were given more chances. The men weren't.)

From what I have witnessed in life, a lot of women are vicious, jealous, backstabbing gossips who will take a bad day, being overweight, unhappy, old, ugly, unmarried/divorced, unpopular, and on and on and on...out on any man they find. And I'm speaking especially to your situation as a male having female instructors. If these kinds of women find a place of authority and power over men (school of women instructors vs. male nursing student), they will use it...because they can...NOT because they have good/right reason.

I read in several replies to your thread that you should've buddied-up with the instructors at your school. What the...??? You shouldn't have to brown-nose/suck up to ANYONE in order to pass nursing school. On the grading sheets, there is no spot for points out beside "Sucking up". This is just one more aspect on top of the list of things that make nursing school absolutely ridiculous; it's SO subjective! Isn't it terrifying to know that you could make straight As throughout nursing school only to be dismissed in the end because you weren't well liked by 1+ instructors (and then to have the dean back up the teachers)? Oh! How the blood is boiling!

OP, I give all my kudos to the men who make it through nursing school. And I say to any who have doubts...RUN. Run fast and far, because it's going to be tough throughout your career working in a female-dominated profession. If nursing is your passion, by all means, DO IT, and show all these catty women what it's like to love and persevere.

We have all these classes in nursing school about how to care for the patient, how to treat the families, and how to communicate therapeutically to both. Wouldn't it be wonderful if a (much needed) class were taught on how to treat and respect coworkers, classmates, and other nurses? Sounds elementary, but this behavior is anything but grown-up and mature.

Now...on to some of these posts. I just have to comment on them because of their absurdity.

This is from some early poster (I can't recall the username):

"You can attempt to rationalize this any way you want, but the fact of the matter is, you fell asleep at clinicals. I know, you say you didn't, but that appears to be what the preceptor observed."

And this is my reply:

He clearly states again and again that he did not fall asleep. Tired? Yes...but if being tired at work is grounds for firing, then this nursing shortage should be far greater than it is now. Also, in reference to your last sentence above, why should the preceptor be more believed than the actual student...the one who KNOWS what happened?

"As a mom who worked full time while in nursing school, I have little sympathy for someone who was so tired they couldn't function properly at class. I've been there, we've all been there. EVERYONE gets tired. You get some coffee, or you take a break and take a nap. You don't phone it in, you don't look for excuses, and you don't blame someone else when you get in trouble for sleeping (or looking like you were sleeping, or constantly falling asleep, whatever you were doing)."

And this is my reply:

Sorry, "mom who worked full time while in nursing school". Congrats, but you chose that! And you say you have "little sympathy"??? Then you turn right around and say that "we've all been there." ?? Shouldn't that make you have EMPATHY (the ability to understand and share the feelings of another) for this person since "we've all been there"?

The end of that post. Here is another:

kharing (Female)

"At this point, it seems like is it more important for you to be right - than it is to be a nurse."

This is my reply:

I disagree. It seems like it is more important for him to be heard and understood than to be right. And maybe he wants to be both more than he wants to be a nurse. I can't blame him after all the crap we have to go through just getting through nursing school...nevermind fighting off the wild packs of female dogs:wink2: along the way only to meet up with them again on the job after graduation.

"Time to get humble," he's not?! how do you know? "talk to the Director of your program and see if they will squeeze you in for the next semester. The goal is to graduate. Oh and just because you paid 20 grand at a private school, doesn't give you the right to nod off at a clinical site."

This is my reply:

What in the whole wide world was that last snide comment about?!!! Was someone offended by his private school revealing? Who said it gave him the right to nod off? He surely didn't. Your comment doesn't even make sense. Also, it doesn't surprise me that it reads "Female" out beside your name. I'm kind of curious to know which description(s) in my second paragraph fits you.:chuckle

Keep on keeping on, OP. Be a man...jump off the hamster wheel of drama that most women are running on.

I'd like to end by saying that not all men are great, and not all women are evil. The end.

:twocents:...and then some.

Specializes in CVICU-ICU.
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From what I have witnessed in life, a lot of women are vicious, jealous, backstabbing gossips who will take a bad day, being overweight, unhappy, old, ugly, unmarried/divorced, unpopular, and on and on and on...out on any man they find. And I'm speaking especially to your situation as a male having female instructors. If these kinds of women find a place of authority and power over men (school of women instructors vs. male nursing student), they will use it...because they can...NOT because they have good/right reason

Wow....all I can say or ask is why do you have such a problem with women? When I first read your post I figured you were a man who had women issues but then I reread and realize you are a woman with woman issues.

I have read the original post and I still believe there is alot more to the story than what was told....I find it next to impossible to believe that someone would be kicked out of their nursing program on their last day of clinicals for one incident.

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From what I have witnessed in life, a lot of women are vicious, jealous, backstabbing gossips who will take a bad day, being overweight, unhappy, old, ugly, unmarried/divorced, unpopular, and on and on and on...out on any man they find. And I'm speaking especially to your situation as a male having female instructors. If these kinds of women find a place of authority and power over men (school of women instructors vs. male nursing student), they will use it...because they can...NOT because they have good/right reason

Wow....all I can say or ask is why do you have such a problem with women? When I first read your post I figured you were a man who had women issues but then I reread and realize you are a woman with woman issues.

I have read the original post and I still believe there is alot more to the story than what was told....I find it next to impossible to believe that someone would be kicked out of their nursing program on their last day of clinicals for one incident.

:D I'm genuinely laughing. Kymmi, I've just seen too much in my short life not to have issues with some types of women (not all, mind you). A lot of these experiences came in nursing school...where the women ruled. Each semester it was always something. I (among others) was sick of it, but it all came to a head just 3 weeks before graduation when my (now) husband was kicked out of our BSN program for one incident that could not be proven. Am I bitter about it? I have to be honest and say yes, but this example is not the primary source of my antipathy for (some) women. I have forgiven all, but it still stings and has impacted our lives for years to come...but we both choose to dwell on the positive outcomes (though my posts would suggest otherwise:mad:). I noticed you wrote "next to impossible"...well, this is that possible.:)

Specializes in CVICU-ICU.

oK.......I guess I can play the other side of the fence and can agree with you that there are women out there that do have a real resentment against men also....for whatever reason I do know some women who do blame a man for every misfortune they encounter.

I still find it very difficult to believe that one incident unless very very serious and done with intent could get anyone male or female expelled from a nursing program on the last day. I would think that instructors would have to answer to someone higher in that instance and it would have to be determined without a doubt that whatever the incident was was done with malious and knowledge of the outcome.

oK.......I guess I can play the other side of the fence and can agree with you that there are women out there that do have a real resentment against men also....for whatever reason I do know some women who do blame a man for every misfortune they encounter.

I still find it very difficult to believe that one incident unless very very serious and done with intent could get anyone male or female expelled from a nursing program on the last day. I would think that instructors would have to answer to someone higher in that instance and it would have to be determined without a doubt that whatever the incident was was done with malious and knowledge of the outcome.

I'm glad you can see it, too, though unhappy it really exists.

As for your second paragraph - you make a very sensible statement, and I agree, but the meat of my point and the point of your point in the first paragraph of this quote (:lol2:) is that we are dealing with (at times) very insensible people. Innocent (for the specific case, because no one is perfect) people suffer daily without just cause.

Thanks for the comments.:up:

I have to add my two cents in. Basid - My son "nods off in the car" and the second I stop the car, or open the door he is immediatly awake. I have to disagree with you, as I see that as sleeping. I was the manager of a person who slept at work once. He was warned the first time and fired the second. I am not paying people to sleep on the job.

Wow...no offense but don't ever become a lawyer. My instance was different in the sense she was a good distance away from me and I was still able to follow her immediately when she got up. and I did not have a physical stimulus (ie. the car stopping or someone causing a noise) to get back to reality.

I don't get it. If I fell asleep....THAN WHY DID MAKE THIS POST!!!!?

To waste my time? I mean what pleasure will I get? And Thank you BABIESRUS for realizing what others are not simply getting.

If I fell asleep. I wouldn't argue. FAIL ME! I deserve it. But I did not. I mean several minutes before I'm perfect, I shadowed 2 nurses, with no incident or comments and than suddenly a few moments later I'm SLEEPING?! I'm not narcoleptic here people. That is what makes it so maddening. :angryfire

I basically failed because "I looked tired". And that is a MISTAKE I WILL TAKE PART 100%. But I pray to God someone on this board does not state by looking tired, you should also fail. But than again I'm sure someone is.

"I still find it very difficult to believe that one incident unless very very serious and done with intent could get anyone male or female expelled from a nursing program on the last day. I would think that instructors would have to answer to someone higher in that instance and it would have to be determined without a doubt that whatever the incident was was done with malious and knowledge of the outcome."

Thank you same here! And now you realize my agitation! I went to the higher ups, and that was my argument but it obviously it did not work. I mean you know a reason is not good enough by itself if the administration attaches false facts with the dismissal. For example, my clinical instructor stated my performance and paper work was not sufficient. I proved it otherwise to the committee because I have documentation that proved that was false. So the committee changed thier reasoning behind it to some other fasle accusations. I proved that was also false to the V.P. of the school and she didnt mention any of the previous accusations. Rather just "you put a patients in danger" and "you had a chance to correct this mistakes earlier but you never did". I emailed her seveal times already discussing where in the world did she get that info about me having clinical issues and not correcting them. I have all documentation and my performance was great as well as feedback, but she has refused to answer my emails, stating just simply "my decision is final". What a shock, I can't say I'm surprised but at the very least I should have a good explanation as why I was dismissed.

Specializes in Acute Mental Health.

Isn't there a thread going about nurses eating their young? Why would a student be any different? I've seen female instructors ride male students for anything that amounts to nothing. I've seen a female instructor fail a male half way through for a less than stellar care plan, but seeing as we buddied up, my care plan was pretty much like his and I got an A while he failed. I told him about that rumor regarding this particular instructor not liking males and has yet to pass one. He thought it was malarchy. He found out the hard way. Poor guy.

I agree that ns is difficult enough without some instructors making it worse. This guy admitted to what was happening regarding tardies and immediately corrected the behavior. His post seems straight to me. Besides, he's already accepted his 'punishment' and has found a different school. We should be supportive and wish him the best. I see no reason to climb up on my high horse and judge, I do thank him for telling us what happened. It may save one of us someday.

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