We took a stand against our Clinical Instructor... - page 6
>>> Sorry - this is a big vent and may be very long!! <<< Today we took a stand against our clinical instructor (and now I'm a little worried). Our CI is new to the school and new to the... Read More
Apr 9, '08Quote from blackberry4evaman, i bet there's a whole bunch of us who'd sign up for that club!! as if ns wasn't hard enough, to deal with this type of person far beats the stress of any test on any day. and it's especially frustrating when you're an adult (many years beyond 21) and are really and truly trying to learn and do a good job, rather than trying to be "wallpaper" as someone else mentioned in an effort to just get out of school as a gn with half your brain cells (and no stroke from the stress) and then finally learn the job. <sigh>well, the only thing i have to say is you are better off then me because we pray that our ci doesn't show up! i think she has bi-polar disorder and you just don't know what to expect when you come for clinical!
Apr 9, '08Quote from destined2bCRNAYes, you are right. I just spent the last 2 hours typing all of my notes and documentation since the beginning (I started taking notes right away, and no one else has documented anything). Some of the group wants to back off, others want her fired by next week! I just want this rotation to end! I'm not much for confrontation. She seems like a nice enough person. We'll see what tomorrow brings. I have a feeling I will be meeting the dean very soon.I so totally agree! I don't know why people in general don't create paper trails- you see it on court shows everyday. I can't stress the importance of that enough!! Honestly, the opportunity to sign a written complaint should've been taken advantage of, but that's now water under the bridge. So far, you guys only have a little leg to stand on... now IMHO if you were brave enough to walk out, you need to be brave enough to file something written regarding what she said to you all. If you don't, you may find yourself wishing you had.
Apr 9, '08Wow! I don't think my clinical group would have stuck together like that, and I don't know that I would have had the guts to do what you all did. Your instructor seems very unprofessional, but sometimes you get better results when you maintain professionalism yourself even with unprofessional people. I understand your frustration, but I think you all should have tried a little more diplomacy first and went up the chain of command by addressing her first, the clinical coordinator second, the dean third, etc., etc.. Afterall, this is what will be expected of you when you graduate. Sometimes people are not aware of how inconsiderate they are and how much they frustrate others until it is pointed out to them. Sometimes when you jump the gun and use extreme measures as a first resort instead of a last one, the situation escalates. I would be worried about the possibility of having her for another clinical/class or one of her friends. As a former teacher, I can tell you that some instructors stick together as much as students do, and they discuss everything, including "problem" students . As of now, though, I woud make sure to document everything, especially her threat. Do as others suggested by keeping a paper trail. Hopefully, your CI will calm down in a few days and realize that she instigated the problem. Anyway, I hope the rest of your semester goes well and that you have a great clinical instructor next semester. Good luck!!!
Apr 9, '08Michigangirl, your clinical instructor seems like an absolute sweetheart, lol. Don't stop fighting - it's your education and your patient's care you're fighting for. I must say it's well worth the strugle.
Apr 9, '08I hate the way that nursing school is structured. But if I were you, I would let sleeping dogs lie. I had a horrible experience with a lecture instructor and a group project was threatened by her coming back and saying we were guilty of plagerism and we had better keep our mouths shut less the whole class suffer. We didn't plagerize, she had already graded our paper and because someone questioned it, she retaliated. The DON said it was up to her discretion.
I feel like I lost a lot of pride in myself, but because of the group I kissed a** and did what the instructer wanted. I ended up with a B in that course, my worst grade in NS. But I found that when it comes down to it instructors and DONs will defend their own despite the facts. Even the chair over the natural science department balked when confronted with the information, the cold hard facts that we had.
I guess I wasn't strong enough to stand up long enough to effect immediate change for the sake of the whole, but I am happy to know that this prof is no longer on tenure track and likely on her way out.
NS is a complicated game. I hate it and am glad to almost be done.
All the best to you. I don't envy your situation.
Apr 9, '08I hope you actually SAW that policy in the student handbook....that myth has been going around at about every college in the country...and I have yet to see someone that has ever actually SEEN it in a college handbook....and that is where all of you can get into trouble.
You need to understand that clinical hours for a nursing program is regulated by the state...so if everyone leaves, you will have to make up the day. You WILL have to make up the day.
Personally, I think the action was childish and cowardly. The college has a process for complaints and your group, instead of utilitizing it, took the easy way out.
Very unprofessional....so is the CI, but two wrong's don't make a right.
Not every hospital is busy...your CI can do nothing about the discharges or the med passes....some days it's busy, some days it's not...she doesn't choose the hospital or the floor.
Be thankful that you don't have a mean CI.Last edit by justme1972 on Apr 9, '08
Apr 9, '08I am so sorry that you have had to deal with this. I have never heard of a clinical experience like this. It is too bad that you are not getting the hands-on practice that you should be getting. Your CI is not prepared. Giving assignments isn't that hard. BTW, what semester are you in?
I didn't read all the responses, so if this has been said before, sorry. I can understand your frustration and why you did what you did, although I think I would have taken less aggressive steps at first. As students, you can get away with this, the worst they can do is fail you. But, if you had been a actual nurse, you could have been charged with abandoning your patients and had your license disciplined. You have much more at stake when you become a nurse, so just think about it in the future.
I wish you luck in getting thru this rotation and having a better clinical experience next semester.
Apr 9, '08Here is the evidence of the "urban myth" of a WRITTEN policy in waiting for instructors to show up...but then again, clinicals is NOT a class.
Apr 9, '08Seems like the bulk of the storm has passed. What happened was not the best professional judgement on anyone's part, but its over now. At least until the "what comes around goes around" comes and kicks you in the backdoor...which I'm positive it will. She threatened you and is now promoting and facilitating a hostile environment. That is what you need to focus on now. If you feel harrassed or retaliated against, you need to follow up with appropriate channels. She is an employee of your school which I'm sure has strict policies to uphold regarding hostile environment. If those policies are not being followed by HER then the school needs to take action immediately. But, your class needs to exhibit the professionalism of following the chain of command. The chain has been drilled in to our heads since day one of NS, its there for a reason and in the future should be used. It works, I promise. It may take time, but you will see results. Until then, suck it up and smile. It's almost over. I've been there and done that...its hard but worth it! Good luck.
Apr 9, '08Thinking back now, most of our clinical assignments were made out the day before the clinical. We were expected to go in the day before and prepare. Down side was that I often lost sleep the night before, worrying about it.
Sorry you have to go through all of this. Nursing school really is unbelievable. It's not like other areas of study in that things really can be life and death. Of course, nursing instructors can make it worse in that regards, but I guess we are dealing with human lives. Good luck.
Apr 9, '08Quote from WDWpixieMan, I bet there's a WHOLE bunch of us who'd sign up for that club!! As if NS wasn't hard enough, to deal with this type of person far beats the stress of any test on any day. And it's especially frustrating when you're an adult (many years beyond 21) and are really and truly trying to learn and do a good job, rather than trying to be "wallpaper" as someone else mentioned in an effort to just get out of school as a GN with half your brain cells (and no stroke from the stress) and then finally learn the job. <sigh>
By "wallpaper" I meant don't be known for complaining, making scenes, having arguments...overall try to focus on learning but in a non-confrontational way. Feel free to ask questions and actually learn but don't be obnoxious and/or "noticeable" for negative traits. Just be "chill"...I know too many people that when given the opportunity to stand out and flash their opinions they will...it can be annoying to the instructor and they can zero in on that person.
Apr 9, '08Oh my, michigangirl...this sounds so unpleasant. I know it may be small comfort, but hang in there, learn as much as you can...I hope that this clinical won't be for too much longer.
As with all things, This too shall pass!