ADNs- I was wrong, and I apologize - page 2
Hey all. Many of the student nurses have already heard this, but for those who were not online when I got home, I will explain. Many ADNs have taken a few of my posts as condescending. I... Read More
Aug 30, '01Originally posted by nurseleigh
This is in reply to your post
Now, do you think it would be honest for me to say, when some one asks me how long I have been a nurse, for me to count all the "LPN" time I have in, or should I tell them I am a new RN?
I am sure that you meant no harm by this statement, but from the perspective of an LPN student, I was kind of offended by this statement.
You imply that an LPN isn't a nurse. We are all "nurses", just with varying educations and roles. You should be very proud of the years you have spent as an LPN.
Thanks for listening to my side.
I don't think she "implied" anything. I do think you are reading too much into this.
Do I think you would be honest if you were to say that you have been an Nurse for [insert LPN experience here]? Sure... But if you were asked "How long have you been an RN?" then you must differentiate. You have been an LPN for all those years, not an RN. Does that make you less capable of doing just as good as or a better job than an RN? Absolutely not. But an RN has to take an entirely different set of boards than an LPN does, whether you're a BSN or an ADN.
This is an educational issue, and Brandy was talking about the amount of clincal experience an ADN gets in school vs. what a BSN gets. Nothing about real life experience here.
Sometimes I have to wonder why some of us always feel we are being condescended to, even when it's not the case.Last edit by CarolineRn on Aug 30, '01
Aug 31, '01Just a clarification here.....
I have NEVER been ashamed of my LPN, and I have NEVER NOT felt like a NURSE, being a LPN. I was aking about how to answer regarding my RN, when it comes about....
I will always be honest about my training, and will always be grateful for the experience of being a LPN.
Most of the best mentors I have had have been LPNs.
I wouldn't have traded the time as an LPN for anything.
And, most of the time, I feel that my years of experience have taught me that a nurse is a nurse is a nurse.....and I have never felt the need to differentiate unless it was something I was not trained to do. Then I say, "I will get the RN for you, and we will help you with......"
I didn't mean any disrespect to ANY nurse, ESPECIALLY my fellow LPNs. I will always be an LPN in my heart, just a RN on my name tag.....
Aug 31, '01I just want to thank you Marla (Thank you SO much) for your post, you just re-clarified for me 'why' I am going the route I am going! My 'plan' is to start at LPN and work my way to where I want to be...I don't feel jumping right into becoming an RN is for me right now. Marla, you are So valued for your opinion!!! You've cheered me upLast edit by Yocanohawken on Sep 2, '01
Sep 1, '01I work at UVA. I am in the ADN program at a community college here in the area. I have "heard" that the BSN program at UVA does not have the amount of clinical time as the ADN program at the community college. I have also heard people say that when they interviewed for a job that they were told they would rather hire a ADN for the nursing experience because a BSN is geared more toward managing. This is only what I have heard...
Beginning my third week of lab, (this is my first year,)we start clinicals. They are from 0700 until 1500.
That was a good post Brandy... It takes a good person to admit to being wrong.
Sep 1, '01I dont know where UVA is?
It is true, BSN programs are often seen as more the "managment" way to go, but we can be darn good bedside nurses too All of my classes thus far have been more related to bedside nursing than managment. We do take one Staff Management class (I am taking it right now), It is called Care Coordination. We are learning how to make patient assignments, leadership roles, and a lot of the "legal" stuff that comes along with management. Its only a 2 hour class, but it is pretty neat. Every week, in the last 2 years of the program here, we have a minimum of 16 hours a week clinical, usually 6am-2pm, then a few hours afterwards for discussion. This year I have 16 hours of clinical a week(Rural Public Health Clinical), plus 5 hours on weekends (my Critical Care/ER Clinical). That is just my program, its the only one i know much about, but I find it unlikely that many programs would require more than that, although possible!
Personally, I have never heard of a job opening "prefering" an ADN, but I guess in some areas, its possible. Most in the papers here, and at the human resources department say "current RN licensure required". I have seen a few, not many, say "BSN prefered" so it would be possible to see "ADN prefered", I just havent seen it yet
Sep 1, '01Brandy BSN, you have just shown how grown up you really are. Bravo Bella! I am happy that you have learned a valuable lesson in humility and are all the better for it. One thing I want to say is that you are a NURSE first. Once you put all of your self worth into your degree, you are not able to put all of your self into Nursing. I do personally beleive that Nursing is my "calling". I will always be thankful that the lord has blessed me with all that he has to enable me to undertake such a challenging and rewarding profession. (I'm not talking $$$$ here. We all know the pay is never enough to compensate us for all that we do in a day.)
I'm not even going to get in to the whole BSN-vs-ADN thing here. We all have our reasons for doing what we do. I'm sure that no one comes fresh from nursing school knowing EVERYTHING. When you get out "on the floor", you aren't even going to have time to think about what degree you got. You are still going to be a NURSE. A nurse that works with DOCTORS. Doctors who have spent a heck of a lot more time in school than most of the nurses they work with. So, I hope you can see where I'm going with this. The doc isn't going to say...Hey you , BSN girl. You do the surgery while I go take a nap. No, she's going to say...hey nurse, get me those clamps STAT, get that blood hung NOW, get that ... ! I plan to be that nurse that has it before she even has to ask for it. Does it matter what nursing program I went to? Not really. (I wish there was a diploma program where I'm going next. My experience has been that they are very prepared for nursing.) Does it matter that I am "on top of my game"? You bet. I will be. Goodnight Nurses!
Sep 1, '01Brandy,
I hear ya!!! The 2 schools I was deciding on, SU and GMU...... SU starts nursing courses right in freshman year (the first clinical is in the 2nd semester of the freshman year). GMU doesn't do ANY nursing courses until Junior year.
That's one of the reasons I prefer SU to GMU. The "prereq's" are interspersed (sp?) between clinicals throughout the first 3 years, then the last year is all clinical.
I wish most programs were like that.... it makes more sense to start doing nursing stuff right away. For me it, it is keeping me "psyched" about school. I hate the prereq's, it's the nursing classes I want to take!! But taking the nursing clasess right from the beginning is keeping me psyched enough to care about my prereq's too
Sep 1, '01
I dont think I have seen a ADN preferred either, yes BSN I have seen a few times. I am just stating what has been told to me by a manager. I do work with wonderful bedside nurses that have a BSN, also the ones that have an ADN. I also work with a few that have either and they are horrible nurses. I think it depends on the nurse not her credentials. I also know a MSN that thinks she is above all.. NOT....
I have chosen to go the ADN route first because of the time involved for the BSN. I do plan on doing the ADN to BSN in a year after I have received my degree and worked in the field for a while.
UVA is the University of Virginia.
I just want to second the level of maturity that you have. It is sometimes something that we dont see much of...
Have a good evening