Would Jesus be employable

ohbet · Nov 18, 2002

These are ALL great replies. I was thinking about what Tkb said,that this is a stupid debate.Of course hes intitled to his opinion,but since the historical person Jesus Christ has had more influence on Western Civilization than any other person who has ever lived,and since millions try to emulate him,even Pagans,see rebels post,I think there should be more talk of what Jesus would do in all areas of our lives,and there should be more talk about what Jesus would do in the political arena and by our elected officials,esp. since the majority of them claim to be christians.

ohbet · Nov 18, 2002

In the course of this conversation,mention and comment has been made about Jesus and his miracle healing healing and how his miracle power could be transfered over to his nursing ability. Heres my two cents on the healing reports,and of course thats all it is , its just two cents.I dont believe there were any miracles.

Today,in the 21st centurey,when people have faith they can be "miraculously" healed. Much has been made of the importance of a positive mental attitude and health,the mind body connection. People had faith in Jesus and his Good News and because of their faith they recovered and were healed. These were not a true miracles,as in the breach of natural laws. Even Jesus,which is reported in the Gospel accounts,could not heal those who lacked faith.Peace.

kavi · Nov 18, 2002

Hey JMP-- :coollook:

by using the term "American", (and that's why I put it in quotes), I meant that he would look like most of the people you see in North America. My point was that he looked Middle Eastern and Oriental because that's where he was last time. He took on the look of the people he lived among. So he would do the same if he came here.

And because we are a melting pot (or mosaic) he might look Hispanic, or Irish, or German or whatever. But he would want to blend in with the people of that particular community. If he went to a French hospital, he would look, dress, and speak like a Frenchman. You see what I'm saying.

I know there are people from around the world on this Board, but "here" is in the eye of the beholder. And naturally I think of "here" as North America. Because that's where I am when I say "here". It wasn't meant to offend anyone who was elsewhere. If I read a posting from a Swede, I would assume when they said "here" they meant Sweden.

Also, I live fifty miles from the Canadian border, and it has been drummed into me that "American" applies to "North American".

Which is why every Canadian I know never calls my country "America" but "the States". So when I said "American" I was allowing for the possibility that he'd visit a Canadian or Mexican hospital.

However, I would prefer that he come the "the States" because we need help straightening out our system. eh?

But I didn't mean to distract anyone over how he would look. My main point was that in one way or another he'd be crucified again.

JMP · Nov 18, 2002

Kavi

I can see your point. I do think however, that American is American and Canadian is Canadian and never do I think of the two being the same. North American, yeah, well that means everyone living in North American, you, me and lots of others.

I think too that as North Americans we can sometimes get too involved with naval gazing...... in other words..... so focused on self we forget that there are more non-Christians in the world than Christians and that North America and the term Christian are not the same thing. I also think that we tend to get hung up on "religion" and what the term Christian reallly means. I do not go to church- freely admit to that. I have my own personal belief system that tells me that what I do all week and how I treat those around me are much more important that what I do Sunday am.

However, I do see and understand that some of the most brutal and evil things are done in the name of "religion", and I have seen some so-called religious people say and do the worst things. That being said, I know that everyone who is religious is not mean and brutal. But when people "use" religion to cast judgement on others, call names and generally bully people around it REALLY gets my back up.

I will get off the rant now.

Jesus...... who knows?.....no one.

MollyMo · Nov 18, 2002

Originally posted by JMP
Kavi

I can see your point. I do think however, that American is American and Canadian is Canadian and never do I think of the two being the same. North American, yeah, well that means everyone living in North American, you, me and lots of others.

I think too that as North Americans we can sometimes get too involved with naval gazing...... in other words..... so focused on self we forget that there are more non-Christians in the world than Christians and that North America and the term Christian are not the same thing. I also think that we tend to get hung up on "religion" and what the term Christian reallly means. I do not go to church- freely admit to that. I have my own personal belief system that tells me that what I do all week and how I treat those around me are much more important that what I do Sunday am.

However, I do see and understand that some of the most brutal and evil things are done in the name of "religion", and I have seen some so-called religious people say and do the worst things. That being said, I know that everyone who is religious is not mean and brutal. But when people "use" religion to cast judgement on others, call names and generally bully people around it REALLY gets my back up.

I will get off the rant now.

Jesus...... who knows?.....no one.

North America and Christian aren't the same thing. Neither is Christianity and religion. Satan got good religion, and he most definitely isn't Christian. Religion is man's thing. Somebody didn't agree with somebody else and decided they want to do their own thing. So you write up a set of rules and regulations, disciplines and doctrines, put an icon on it and voila...religion. Which is why it can be brutal. Which is why it can be used to pass judgement on others who don't believe as you do. Man did it. And very seldom does man acknowledge the right to agree to disagree.

Jesus....who knows?...He does.

JMP · Nov 18, 2002

Well I think many would disagree that religion and Christianity is not the same thing.

Anyways, if Jesus knows, he is not telling...is he?

Nancy Nurse 8 · Nov 18, 2002

And for those christian nurses out there who try to follow his example in attitude and practice,Im one of them,do you find yourself making compromises between your efforts to follow Jesus' example in your daily life and the need to survive and be employable?

Hey, ohbet, did anyone tackle this on your original thread? Time to talk euthanasia? Therapeutic AB's? I was on an Ethics Commmitee, and wonder which can of worms you'd like opened.

rncountry · Nov 18, 2002

Originally posted by ohbet
These are ALL great replies. I was thinking about what Tkb said,that this is a stupid debate.Of course hes intitled to his opinion,but since the historical person Jesus Christ has had more influence on Western Civilization than any other person who has ever lived,and since millions try to emulate him,even Pagans,see rebels post,I think there should be more talk of what Jesus would do in all areas of our lives,and there should be more talk about what Jesus would do in the political arena and by our elected officials,esp. since the majority of them claim to be christians.

Good post Ohbet!

Kavi, as soon as I saw that Eh? in your post I had to look at where you were from. Yep, upper memberula. From one Michigander to another, hello! I'm down by Battle Creek, thank God. UP is tooooo cold! Just wanted to send greetings :)

kavi · Nov 19, 2002

Greetings RNCountry from the nice cold North! Ya know aboot da yoo peee eh? I moved up here 8 years ago, and still love it. I found myself saying "eh" after the second year. Scary. I love snow so I just can't leave.

Back to the Thread,

I think we really have several different "conversations" going on here.

One is: Would Jesus be employable---------and the name Jesus means many things to different people. (Some think he's God, other a holy man or prophet.) So people are responding based on their personal perspectives.

Another is: Religion and what it is, and where Jesus fits in. Once again--depending on your perspective. Then there is the whole "Christian" thing, and I put it in quotes because I have seen and heard many perspectives and definitions of Christianity.

And just to keep things straight---Jesus was a Jew.

The third is how he would be received here, and what he would do if he were here.

Another is (and part of it's my fault) getting off course on what he would look like, and applying our cultural perspectives to what we would like him to be.

It seems like a great discussion, and I'm glad nobody is getting too judgemental or taking things too personally. We all know that every belief system---Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan, and so on--have good and bad people.

So we could reword the original post and say what if "John Doe", a good person of strong moral character who was incapable of sinning worked in our Medical Facility? And spoke the truth and wouldn't tolerate lies, inadequate staffing, and all the other things we know are lacking. Would he be hired? Would he be fired?

Like I said in my first post, I think those in power would find a way to "crucify" him all over again. Thanks for "listening". Kavi :cool:

MollyMo · Nov 19, 2002

Originally posted by JMP

Anyways, if Jesus knows, he is not telling...is he?

Some things we have to reason out on our own. We'll know within ourselves based on our belief system if it's right. As for compromising beliefs to survive and stay employable: I answered this in an earlier post but I don't mind repeating it. I can't compromise my beliefs. It's not a coat to be put on and taken off depending on the weather. My beliefs are more than an outward show. It's an inner conviction as well. Correction, I can compromise my beliefs. It's called sin. And there are consequences. The question is: Is the compromise worth the paying the consequence?

I agree with kavi. They would try to crucify Him again.

ohbet · Nov 19, 2002

Nancy Nurse,Jesus would be pro active euthanasia,under certain circumstances.

Jesus preached the Good News,Gods coming Kingdom,so death is not the end of everything and therefore we need not be so concerned about an endless prolongation of life,certainly not under conditions which are no longer commensurate with human dignity.According to Jesus, God is not a sadist but merciful.

In the spirit of the Sermon On The Mount we need not be so terribly 'anxious' about 'adding a cubit' to our span of life[Matt.6.27}

JMP · Nov 19, 2002

I am leaving this discussion, as soon as people start quoting scripture..... I am out of here.

Not that I find it offensive but..... if I wanted a sermon I would turn on TV Sunday am.

Have fun.... was interesting while it lasted