Verbal, Written Warnings and Termination

Health care employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder of warnings, from verbal warning to written warnings with termination not far up. For many this is not an unrealistic fear, it is something which is affecting their daily working life and erodes into their home life. This is the nurse's guide to warnings and what to do when you get them. Nurses General Nursing Article

I know a lot of healthcare employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder from a verbal warning to written warnings and then fired. For many, this is not an unrealistic fear it is something which is affecting their daily working life and erodes into their home life.

For some employees, it is something which occurs out of the blue and was totally unexpected, for some they are expecting it to happen because of an incident which has to happen either by human error or an unfortunate series of events, but for most it is a devastating situation when it occurs.

Warnings, verbal or written, are usually part of the employer's policy and are not written into law in your state. Most states have "at will" employment where you can quit for any reason at any time, or your employer can fire you for any reason at any time.

So what are verbal warnings? They tend to be the initial step in the progressive discipline process. A verbal warning is an oral notice to an employee that he or she is not meeting expectations or that his or her behavior is inappropriate in the workplace.

A verbal warning may be an appropriate response to situations including:

  • inappropriate behavior that if repeated could lead to a written warning
  • use of derogatory language
  • tardiness
  • failure to follow hospital practices/policies

The next step is a written warning if poor work performance or a behavioral problem continues after an employee receives a verbal warning, a supervisor may need to employ a more serious measure.

A written warning might be an appropriate response to situations such as:

  • failure to comply with a verbal warning
  • insubordination
  • frequent absenteeism
  • in some instances, a written warning may be appropriate without a prior warning or a record of a prior offense.

Wikipedia quotes termination as

Involuntary termination is the employee's departure at the hands of the employer. There are two basic types of involuntary termination, known often as being "fired" and "laid off." To be fired, as opposed to being laid off, is generally thought of to be the employee's fault, and therefore is considered in most cases to be dishonorable and a sign of failure. Often, it may hinder the now job-seeker's chances of finding new employment, particularly if he/she has been fired from earlier jobs. Job-seekers sometimes do not mention jobs which they were fired from on their resumes; accordingly, unexplained gaps in employment, and refusal to contact previous employers are often regarded as red flags.

Termination of employment - Wikipedia

So what should we do if faced with a verbal warning?

We should see it as an opportunity to change whatever behavior is deemed inappropriate in our work environment. We might not always agree with what we are being accused of but at least you are being given a chance to change. You should take notes and not commit the meeting to memory, you can review them later when you are alone with time to think. If nothing else they can be the "before" point as you start a process of personal growth.

If your boss doesn't suggest a feedback appointment, ask for an appointment to discuss your progress at a reasonable interval. See this as a continuing dialogue, not just a one-time slap on the wrist.

Not all warnings are fair or appropriate. If the above steps have been taken and you were treated unfairly, you might want to talk to your boss or HR about the warning. Although it is just the first stage of discipline, it does go on your record so you shouldn't blow it off. If the situation persists unfairly, make sure your resume is up-to-date.

If you are given a written warning then you will have an opportunity to read then write your own comments, you are expected to sign a written warning and this is an area of concern for most people, are you signing to say you agree with what is written or are you signing to say you are acknowledging receipt of the written warning?

You are actually signing receipt of the written warning and not that you agree with what is written, many employees do refuse to sign written warnings. Hopefully, your manager would explain this to you.

During the course of my research, I found it interesting that there were more articles advising the employer how to discipline their employees than useful articles to help the employee work through their issues and what to do if they receive verbal or written warnings.

If you do find yourself in one of the above positions it is worthwhile to do a search on stress and how to manage stress, these articles do offer useful advice which will help you improve your working life and in turn will help you change which will in turn probably meet the work disciplinary requirements.

If you are reading my blog because it is something which is affecting your life at this time, the document, document, form a positive action plan implement an action plan and see it as a positive allowing you to change and improve.

Good luck

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what have I been doing for a year, its call JOB HUNTING!!!!!!!! Job hunting in itself is a full time job.

I don't tell people flat out I was Fired. What am I and idiot? I 'm not sliding into any "people are out to get me" notion as you stated. The economy is bad right. Healthcare is not a recession proof industry.

It is not my fault that health facilities are so financially strapped that they can't afford to hire new grads or inexperienced nurses. Nurses are now starting out who haven't even been fired are having trouble finding jobs.

It seems so easy to make suggestions when you are not going through it. I still haven't seen a clear answer on how to answer the question "why did you leave your previous employer?"

As with any profession at times it's not what you know but who you know.

Wow, I'm an older nurse and is getting blackballed. i transferred because of a facility closing, need 4 more years. The DON came up with 17 allegations against me, 16 were dropped and because the one wasn't dropped when I walked away from EMS after giving report because of them yelling, I got a 5 day suspension. All this happened after they moved me from my area of practice--case manager/primary care to the clinic. After this, I got a below evaluation which I never received at the closing sister facility. Yep, they are after me, but I have Florida Nurse Association backing me up. Time well tell what happens. Yes------------stres, stress stress

Keeping it Real - you have already seen FIRST HAND what the nursing profession can be like. You are going to school for the bachelors. I'm not kidding here - change your major. The nursing world IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. You will continue to be blackballed. There are way way way too many nurses out there for them to consider someone who "didn't make it past their probationary period and was fired." When you are competing against 100 applicants who do not have that history, you are not going to get the job. It just the process of elimination quickly. It's not personal really. They have to sort through all those resumes and quickly eliminate any potential problem.

For the older nurse being blackballed - I have seen that before as well. I don't know what the Florida Nursing Association can do for you? Are they lawyers? You are probably making to much money. Tell your employer you are willing to take a pay cut to a New Grad level - that is why they want to replace you. If you willingly take the pay cut, you might keep your job and they will stop creating "occurrences" of how horrible you are.

This is one of the consequences the surplus of nurses has caused - LOWER SALARIES. All the new grads and people lined up for nursing school think they are going to make a lot of money as a nurse. They are wrong...

To Cosmicsun,

I think you hit it on the ball as other nurses have told me I make too much money, even more than a few of the supervisors. Yes, FNA has lawyers. I even went to a lawyer on my own. I have worked 7, 9 and 11 day stretches with two of the 11 days being doubles. They don't pay overtime, so when working more than 40 hours, they have it figured so that the pay week ends in the middle of the stretches. I just came back to work from having knee surgery and because I can't yet step up on the ambulance, I am working in the homes for 3 weeks. They don't like this cause a few times a supervisor had to work the clinic, it's like a small ER, but most things are sent out by EMS. I checked on the web about on the job training thru Davita dialysis, but they seem to always want someone trained in ICU/CCU. I did take an internship in Legal Nurse Consulting which I am good at audits. It's a hard field to break into. Just like which way to go? Since I love animals, I even checked into Vet Tech, no money in it.

Wrongful discharge is a joke. The burden of proof is on you and it has to support that you were discharged for something dicriminatory such as age, disability or race, or something that you did such as whistleblowing. At-will employment laws pretty much cover everything else. If you had outstanding evals every year then new manager Cruella comes in and discharges you, maybe you could appeal to the court, but chances are slim that they would buy it. This is one thing that is truly wrong in our country, there is no loyalty to employees, no security or protection at all. We might as well be migrant nurse workers. It is no wonder the younger generation values work so little. All I can say is watch out employers, this way of treating people is going to come back to bite you in the back one way or another. Remember the steel unions? Why do you think they came to be? Because of employee abuse.

I would love nurses to finally get together and use their strength to develop a strong union like teachers have. There is no reason why we should live in fear the way we do. We work hard caring for others, sacrificing so much for the job. All we want is a little respect and security. We want to know that we will be treated fairly by our employer, and not fired for nonsense reasons any time the latest greatest manager comes around and decides not to like us. I never saw nurses as needing unions, but the older I get and the more I have seen, the more I see that we need a union that has our interests at heart.

Ooh I feel like Norma Rae!

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
What you are experiencing and how you were treated is horrible, but the norm. There aren't any jobs anyhow. You and everyone else without any "black" marks on their record cannot find jobs. Quickly, switch careers. I know it is sad and a huge loss, but it is what it is. They flooded the market. That's why they can swat you away without blinking. There are way too many nurses out there. Run and don't look back. The surplus of nurses will make the environment for those who do have jobs defeating in many ways. You will be happier in the long run even though you don't know it now.

I've been a patient in 2 hospitals in the pasgt few years, one on each coast. Let me tell you that according to the nurses I had (on all shifts), there is no surplus of nurses. All of them are running their feet off, and ratios that may be in effect are not observed. One of the units I was on, was telemetry. and my leads weren't checked once in the 2 days I was there. They were half off, when I was taken to a regular unit where I was discharged. When I got my records from each admission, no record of the telemetry was there. It was v ery difficult (despite laws allowing it) to get my records for my doctors on the other coast! :crying2:

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
what have i been doing for a year, its call job hunting!!!!!!!! job hunting in itself is a full time job. that's true, and it takes place in the day time. you can work at least 4 hours on an evening shift at a restaurant; and when you haven't an interview scheduled, a night shift at a hospital as "on call"

i don't tell people flat out i was fired. what am i and idiot? i 'm not sliding into any "people are out to get me" notion as you stated. the economy is bad right. healthcare is not a recession proof industry. it's more recession proof than most, as people still get sick....... you wrote that you felt that others had it in for you.......

it is not my fault that health facilities are so financially strapped that they can't afford to hire new grads or inexperienced nurses. nurses are now starting out who haven't even been fired are having trouble finding jobs.

there is no surplus of nurses, just greed on the part of administrators/ vice presidents, etc.

it seems so easy to make suggestions when you are not going through it. i've gone through it 8 times, for age discrimination, in the past 15 years! i still haven't seen a clear answer on how to answer the question "why did you leave your previous employer?"

i've used "married and now living elsewhere", "divorce made a move necessary", cost of living was too high in the community; and that made it impossible to live there, or commute cost effectively" . anything but: supervisor was a bully, expected too much of me, or bad fit (even though those are usually the reasons).

as with any profession at times it's not what you know but who you know.

please don't "kill the messenger". it's ok to be angry; and there are ways to manage that, other than hitting back at those who want to help you.

I am unsure where this applies to BUT, I live in Dallas, Tx and we have GroupOne reporting agency that is a record of all your employers, dates, and reason for separation. I was recently terminated and verified my termination with GroupOne report a week after losing my job. This is GOOD reason to be honest, applications require you to sign an agreement stating that the information is accurate to our knowledge if at any point they discover the information to incorrect/not accurate you will be terminated. I had a bad experience I will share.

I am a new grad with less than 1 yr experience in the OR. I believe that I was wrongfully terminated. I had the warning signs n ignored them because I thought I could prove everyone wrong. I had verbal & written warnings that were not correlated and at the end of my year my termination. I was warned/informed by staff to quit or transfer because "I didnt fit in" I was told after the verbal warning that this was a warning to be taken seriously n was highly recommended to transfer immediatly to prevent futher "trouble"

I stayed n the rest is history... I had got in trouble for saying things inappropiately but didnt really get y, so I blew it off. Other people in my department said things way worse and frequently, I even got introuble for agreeing with a comment someone else made, BUT they were never reprimanded, I knew then I should of left, but being stubborn, I stayed because I wanted to obtain at least a year of experience n ended up a week short.

My question to everyone is, how do you move forward? I can't lie about the termination cuz it's officially on GroupOne Report. What do I tell perspective employers? I can't say it was a comment blown out porpotion n they were after me!! I lay awake all nite thinking of my nursing future...

I am already in Nursing school for my Master's as a Nurse Pratitioner n never thought once that my RN experience would become limited by termination...

Any advice is openly accepted

Thank you for your well laid out post. I have been recently terminated and my GroupOne Report reflects "terminated d/t unsatisfactory job performance" how do I move on? I just graduated & only have 1 year experience as an OR nurse which is super specialized. This was my first & only nursing job, what do I do now? Can I collect unemployment?? I had the warning signs you mentioned, I was recommended to quit or transfer on a couple of occasions n told I "did't fit in" prior to & after my write up. What happens when the people in charge take a dislike to you? They dont want you there and they make it known, they are like vultures waiting for opportunities to terminate you...I had been written up when I first started but made the decision to stick it out. I made drastic changes n become very aware of what&how I communicated. I got compliments from all members of staff n congratulated for sticking in there, then an incident happened. I admit it could have been prevented but do not believe it was cause for termination because it was irrelevant to my previous write-up and any other nurse would have got a slap on the wrist or just sat down to discuss the incident. I feel I was discrimminated against. There were many conversations that were red flags I should of kept track of, I should have contacted HR employee realtions, but I was to scared it would backfire. Now I'm jobless at a very bad time. Just bought a new house and already started my Nurse Practitioner Degree.

What do I do now? How do I move forward? Can I get unemployment? Please help, any advise is openly accepted n welcomed.

Wish I would have done this, I was stubborn n stayed trying to prove my worth, now I am jobless n have it on my GroupOne report as "unsatisfactory job performance" What do I do now? It was my first n only nursing job. What do I do now? How can I move forward? Can I get unemployment?? Any advice is openly welcomed...

hhendu5:

Your previous employer cannot give any information about you, other than the dates when you started, and when you left their employ. Termination should not be mentioned, so why mention it to a new employer?

You might want to spend the time between jobs completing your BSN.......

Not totally accurate...in Dallas, TX (not sure if everywhere) there is GroupOne Report that shows previous employers, dates of employment, and reason for separtion. I know I was recently terminated & reviewed it, it shows EVEYTHING.

OMG! I am really terrified now..I just lost my job. It was my first job as a nurse n just completed right under a year. My GroupOne report (I am from Dallas, TX) states termination d/t unsatisfactory job experience. What will I do now? Were u able to get unemployment?