Out of nursing program cause i am smoker!!! - page 10
Help, I am at risk of being out of the nursing program because I am a smoker. I really could use some advise on how to deal with a very unfair instructor. I am a first year PN student and we... Read More
Jan 9, '07Occupation: Community Nurse Joined: May '00; Posts: 2,493; Likes: 93Burnout, please, the OP has asked SEVERAL times that we not bash her for smoking. That is NOT the issue here. And nurses who work at this facility ARE allowed to smoke on the grounds. It's just the students who must abide by this teacher's 'no smoking' rule, which is not even written in the college's manual.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 14Burnout and TinyNurse, I you had read the whole post you would know I am writting the papers and have admitted my wrong and agreed not to smoke before, during clinicals.
Addiction does not control me to the point of being willing to give up my dream. If you had read you would know that. My problem is the legality of her actions. Get off the high horse about smoking and focus at the issue at hand.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 87; Likes: 33Smoking is an addiction people! I smoked for years and quit almost 5 years ago. Stress causes people to want to smoke, and the nursing program is stressful! I can't believe she's telling her not to smoke if it's not in the student guidelines, and it's OK to smoke on the hospital grounds. I can't stand the smell of smoke, but that's not the issue here. I would take this to a higher level if I were you. The teacher sounds like a bully!
Jan 9, '07Occupation: SICU Nurse Joined: May '06; Posts: 120; Likes: 17Misstaz25...I am not sure what area of the country you are in but I just wanted to offer a bit of help. Please dont take this as a put-down or anything negative. I come from a family of smokers and I know first hand the addictive power of nicotine. This program in Birmingham Alabama --(and other locations) has helped many people. Welplex Stop Smoking Clinics - Birmingham, AL Home Page One of them was my brother in law who was a 2 pack a day smoker for 35 years. He did this one time detox and says he hasnt had even the first craving for a cigarette since. I know in your OP you were not asking of assistance with quitting smoking -however I thought I would just offer something positive to this somewhat controversial subject.
Jan 9, '07Occupation: Registered Nurse: Assertive Community Resource Team Specialty: Psych, Assertive Community Resource Team ; Joined: Apr '06; Posts: 61; Likes: 41Quote from misstaz25okay i have to say something about this passage and i hope i am just misunderstanding what the op is trying to say here. are you really trying to imply that only hospital patients deserve the common decency of respecting their right to breathe clean air? are ltf patients any more deserving of having to breathe in the consequences of your bad habit?ok i thought i would add some clarification. this incident was not at a hospital, it was a a ltf. 90% of the staff that works there are smokers including the nurses. until 2 yrs ago this place had a smoking room, indoors, for staff.
there is not a policy on clinicals and smoking in the written rules. she verbally told us if we smell like smoke we will be docked. i agree smelling like smoke around patients is unprofessional in a hospital setting. however most of the staff at this ltf smoke and there is a smoking area. i already told her it would not happen again after she pulled me aside and asked me if i had smoked. this was a first incident and i feel she has gone overboard because of her personal bias..
just because the staff at this facility do not respect their patient's rights does not exclude you from acting in a way that keeps your patient's best intrest at heart.
i know the op doesn't want to "discuss" her smoking habit anymore...but still i think she is missing the point of the rule in the first place.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 14No that was not what I was trying to say. Smelling like smoke in healthcare is unprofessional. This incident happened to be at a LTF. Both the hospital and LTF we do clinicals at have smoking areas for staff. I was not trying to say only hospital patients deserve to not smell smoke. However I could see more of possibility of it being a bigger issue at a hospital due to the more critical patients. I am not saying in anyway was LT patients are less important or anything to the likes.
I am not missing the point of the rule. I have stated over and over LESSON LEARNED. Does anyone out there think lecturing/punishment works to get someone to quit smoking? It is a very difficult addiction, it has been compared to heroine and cocaine in additiveness. I am going to check out the link above about quiting. If you people out there really knew how many ways and times I have tried to quit. Also it is not advisable to try to quit when under stress and if anyone can say the are not stressful, let me know where so i can transfer.
As Mark Twain said "quitting smoking is easy I have done it thousands of times."
Jan 9, '07Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 499; Likes: 71Quote from Marie_LPNI apologize. I didn't realize that's what you were refering to.I simply stated that my school had a rule where smoke was concerned under our dress code. I wasn't comparing apples to oranges, so please don't take my words and run with them.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 499; Likes: 71Quote from MomNRNIs it an infraction of a written rule? That has not yet been established by the OP. In school I was provided with a set of rules (WRITTEN) for conduct during clinicals. Interestingly, smelling like smoke was not mentioned.What is there to debate if this is an infraction?
If rules are not written, what is to prevent an unscrupulous instructor from railroading a student who they do not like? There are unscrupulous instructors out there.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 499; Likes: 71Quote from caroladybelleYep, had to wear a uniform, do a pee test, criminal background check, and child abuse background check.So I suppose that you didn't have to wear uniforms to clinical, and could go wearing shorts.
I guess that y'all were not drug/alcohol tested and could not be prosecuted if you came to clinicals and giving care, impaired from going on a bender the night before.
And no one gets kicked out over a domestic violence or DUI conviction.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 499; Likes: 71Quote from stevielynni agree.originally posted by jimthorp
my school also has a smoking policy but it is not more restrictive for nursing students than for the rest of the student body and rightly so.
there is a campus-wide policy for all students about when and where they can smoke. there are smoking areas.
this all changes for nursing students at clinical sites. and that is fair in my opinion.
however, the instructor was still off the wall about some of this.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Nov '05; Posts: 499; Likes: 71Quote from caroladybelleThis is absurd and not representative of the real world.In school, my fellow classmates and I got marked off for getting spots of betadine on our uniform and scuffs on the heels of our shoes...and yes, the instructor checked. People wore their slippers while driving to clinical, and put on their shoes when they got to site, so not to scuff shoes.
Garlic breath, don't get me started with that too!
Jan 9, '07Occupation: LPN Specialty: Medical Telemetry, LTC,AlF, Skilled care ; Joined: Sep '05; Posts: 253; Likes: 24At our school we're not allowed to smoke during clinicals either, and that's fine, I just suck it up and keep going. I'm trying to quit smoking simply because I'm tired of not being able to breathe lol Honestly, it's not worth getting kicked out because of a cigarrette just appease your instructor and trudge on.
Jan 9, '07Joined: Jul '02; Posts: 14; Likes: 3I'm a non-smoker and have a real problem with smoking odors on other people--instant headache.
I think you should speak to a lawyer. I can't stand smoking but I'll defend your right to do it; I think this educational facility is violating your civil rights. I'm especially weirded out by your instructors use of the word "punishment"--maybe she'll spank you? BIH-zarre.