On sabbatical? - page 4
I find myself on sabbatical from nursing because: My license tells me that the patient comes first. Employers tell me, no, we come first. Physicians often tell me, we come first. I can only... Read More
Dec 21, '02Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 228; Likes: 2I just looked at the voting again. So far, less than ten percent have never considered a sabbatical. The poll on the depression thread is even more interesting.
It's only 35 votes. I hope people keep voting. I know how I think it might go - but I always like being surprised.
Dec 22, '02Occupation: RN, NP Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 479; Likes: 96Umm...we have to be more like the Loreal commercial....
'cause you're worth it"
ask for what we want
(and don't take no, know what you would really like but also what you can happily settle for)
Dec 22, '02Joined: Nov '00; Posts: 931; Likes: 18I hear the negotiation, stand-up-for-yourself, etc. What do you suggest when that has already been tried? I run up against budgets, cut-backs, etc., etc., etc. The answer is NO. If you leave, they hire someone else; and you go somewhere else and encounter the same mandatory OT, staffing ratios, poor bennies, etc. You can only negotiate if someone views you as valuable; nurses aren't seen as valuable, in my experience.
Dec 22, '02Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 228; Likes: 2Many voices speak louder than a single voice.
Sometimes I think hospitals allow a few special nurses to get their vacations, get their satisfaction, not work too hard - just so they can tell the rest of us - I did it, why can't you?
It's called divide and conquer. Machiavelli wrote about it a long time ago.
Dec 22, '02Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 228; Likes: 2As per cap idea:
I still like it but:
Baseball type cap - or the guys will look really funny.
White, what else?
Says - One nurse takes care of a patient. All nurses take care of the world. Take care of us.
A bit long but - right direction?
On re-read (hence edit) - think it needs work but right direction. What do you all think?
Dec 23, '02Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 830; Likes: 64I go after each assignment.
I have too, because after each assignment in the states I fly home to some off the wall place overseas(currently Cairo) and I just cleanse off what I have placed on me during the assignment. I have to, when Im on assignment I work as many hours as I can just to keep my time occupied and I intenstionally burn myself out doing as much as I can. Then when I come home I just let the wounds heal and become refreshed so that I can do it all again.
Dec 23, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Sep '00; Posts: 735; Likes: 3Zoe,
This is very interesting to me, as I may do travel nursing when my youngest is in college, not too far off. Question for you. You state that you work alot to purposefully burn yourself out as much as you can. Do you take anytime off to enjoy yourself while ON your assignments? What is your favorite time off activity, country, etc. I realize this may belong in a different forum, but I am asking since we are right here right now.
Dec 23, '02Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 830; Likes: 64I take my golf clubs with me on every assignment I go on. I find someone in my new assignment area that also plays and we go out and play whack the ball, for a few hours. Oh I explore every inch of the town Im on assignment in and I do as much there as I can. I burn out on purpose because it takes a burn out to get the job done. How any of you can do it on a constant basis without taking a break is beyond me. I get to take breaks and I completely give myself a break when I get on the plane to come home the only thing my husband sees from my assignments are the pictures of the staff and where I had gone while I was away. He never hears anything about the bad stuff that goes on. I want him to understand why I have to do what I do and how much I enjoy the time that Im on assignment .
Dec 23, '02Occupation: icu rn Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 985; Likes: 11[QUOTE]Originally posted by Youda
[B]I was the happiest I've ever been in nursing at my last job. The difference was one of the best human beings, and nurses, that I've ever had the pleasure of working for. She encouraged everyone, was always positive, fought corporation tooth and nail, defended her staff, and demanded to run nursing the way it should be run.
They fired her.
Yup, that`s exactly what happened to me....so here I am freezing my butt offf in the snow, and looking forwards to a nice long break, and when i get around to it, will check out other employment ooptions......But, for now, am done with hospital nursing....
Durn poll won`t let me change my answer( that i did before the stuff hit the fan) My son told me to get my CDL, and he`d put me to driving his 18 wheeler
Dec 23, '02Occupation: RN in Nursing Education; House Supervision; Editor RNdex Joined: Mar '02; Posts: 427; Likes: 9Going back to the original poll: maybe the benefit that is really needed in nursing, more than better pay, ratios and the aassorted other things we all would like, is real sabbatical time, just like in academia.
Think about it. Three, six, twleve months paid time off with insurance paid, every seven years. Time to rest and refresh one's outlook, psyche, and body. Time to go to school, to take classes for enrichment of one's personal and professional lives.
When nurses are recognized as needing and deserving time to renew all their resources, and supported by the organizations that employ them in this, then nursing will truly be a profession.
Now, as for work life. I occ. work as a house supervisor. I have been told by other house sups that I am "too good at saying no."
As nurses we must learn, or get the therapy needed to learn, to say "no' to those things which are detrimental to us as human beings. We need to know the difference between doing a favor and being taken advantage of because we want to help or just can't say no.
Dec 23, '02Joined: Nov '00; Posts: 931; Likes: 18Maybe I'm being pessimistic, and would like to continue this discussion. No offense intended. But, I don't think saying "No" or "negotiating" solves the problems for individual nurses. This seems overly simplistic to me in view that very few employees have an input into decision-making within their work environment, conditions of employment, expectations for workload, benefits available, stress level, staffing ratios, adequate equipment and supplies, insurance plans, retirement benefits . . . The assertive approach is one that I can certainly appreciate; and it works well in certain circumstances. But when an entire industry is ailing, being assertive falls short of fixing the problems. For example: if I go into work and say, "Hey, NM! I will no longer take more than 4 patients, and I will need another $5.00/hr. to bring my salary up to the median wage for nurses of my educational level. Also, since my birthday, I've started to worry about my retirement; so please arrange to have a retirement plan for me. Oh, by the way, the deductible is a little high on my health insurance. Please take care of this as soon as possible, OK?" Now, assuming I could muster up a tactful and assertive and positive way to say this, and also assuming I had input into decision-making, I can guarantee you that I would find myself unemployed by the end of the week. Perhaps it is different for a traveler, because they need the nurse bad enough to pay agency wages in the first place. But, for a long-term, until the day you retire? You wouldn't get those options, and if you did, they'd get rid of you at the first possible moment. The problems of nursing can't be solved by just saying, 'no.'
Dec 23, '02Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 228; Likes: 2The problems of nursing can't be solved by individual nurses saying no.
They can only be solved when all nurses, at the same time, say no.
One of these days, they won't let the guys take vacation either. You'll be the only ones left.
Dec 23, '02Occupation: RN, NP Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 479; Likes: 96When you go to the negotiating table:
first ...they must value your contribution...otherwise you have no bargaining power.
So, don't hide your light under a bushel....take credit when it is your due. Most nurses are too modest about our work.
If you go to the table and speak their language: eg. what your ideas mean in terms of saving $$, 'more bang for the buck' etc the bosses will sit up and listen ...cause money talks. They want to know what is in it for them and how what you want is in alignment with their goals.
There are always many ways to skin a cat