Nurses are Pathetic!! - page 26
I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are... Read More
Mar 31, '08Quote from WoodenpugYou need to understand that what works for you motivationally is not what works for everyone. Nursing is a job I can do and enjoy because I like being around people. There are some negatives to be sure, but some of the things that are constantly complained about just don't bother me. For example, last week I worked 68 hours. Several nurses approached me about not letting management use, abuse, and overwork me. From my perspective I'm grateful for the opportunity to make 35 bucks an hour doing OT. From their perspective I'm getting screwed over. You see what I mean about perspective?Note to salesman217: Nothing wrong with money as a motivation, but as the sole motivation, I do not believe it would work for very long. You and your classmates had several offers, I'm not surprised - I would be surprised if those were viable offers. Many "health care recruiters" like to have large files of potential candidates. Anyway, I am open to being wrong. Let me know when you get that high paying job. Also, talk to someone in the professions listed, salary.com is not a reliable source.
Another one is docs yelling at nurses. As a nurse I see the doc as my boss. He/she writes orders and I carry them out. Some bosses raise their voices at underlings when what they consider important doesn't get done. What the heck is so unusual about that? Is it right? Probably not. Is it common? Absolutely. Is it something to give me ulcers? No way. And I've seen the rants of docs I've been warned about. Nothing scarey in my opinion. But that's just my perspective.
As for the money motivation, perhaps this would be helpful for you to understand my position:
Taking care of my family is my number one priority. That's why my boys are homeschooled. That's why my wife can work if she wants or be a homemaker if she wants. Outside of seeing that my sons are morally upright, decent individuals, nothing gives me a greater sense of satisfaction than to be able to spend $600 for driving school for my 17 and 16 year old tomorrow rather than having to say like I have all their lives "we don't have the money". Nothing gives me more joy than to be able to spend $34 for a ticket for my 16 year old son to be able to hang out with the GM of the Cleveland Browns, eat chicken wings, and talk about the upcoming NFL draft. Nothing gives me more joy than to be able to buy my artsy craftsy 16 year old a $60 ticket to the latest comedy play coming through the Cleveland Theatre District. Nothing gives me more joy that to be able to buy my Lego crazy 10 year old a big box of assorted parts and pieces or the latest Lego Star Wars set.
If I did what I loved I'd be an actor or a professional writer/talker of some kind. But the prospects for getting meaningful compensation for those jobs in my immediate future are few and far between. I didn't plan my life well enough to make that happen, but now that I have kids, they come first. When they are grown and on their own, then I'll quit nursing and become a full time a smart aleck or pianist. On the other hand, probably not. I'll probably go to CRNA school so that I can have MORE MONEY to buy stuff for my grandkids (or buy time off to spend with my grandkids). In any case, to me nursing is tolerable most of the time, fun some of the time, and profitable all of the time. I'll take it.
As far as me finding that high paying job, I got hired 6 weeks after passing the NCLEX. There were other job offers in med/surg but I was stuck on ICU and waited out for the position I wanted. I make $22.50 per hour. To compare, my brother has a bachelor's in accounting and an MBA in finance. He works in corporate finance as an analyst and makes a salary of around $65k per year. Payscale.com says a Sr. Financial analyst makes about $80k. I don't think my bro is a Sr. yet.
My brother works about 50 hours per week. If I work 48 hours per week I'll make $60k. No bad for 20 months of schooling (the length of the program that I completed in 16 due to a few previous credits) versus his 6 years. If I work 60 hours per week I'll make a little over $80k. To me that's a good deal. Plus when my brother got laid off a few years ago, it took him almost a year to find another job. The "professions" are like that. I've got another friend with an MBA and a law degree who commisserates with his law school buddies about the difficulty of finding a decent gig. Many go to work as prosecutors for the city starting out at about $35k. For the forseeable future, nursing will allow me to make a decent living, work all the OT I want, and never have to worry about being out of work for any appreciable amount of time.
I don't have any idea why you think these offers are not viable offers. Of all the people I graduated with who've passed the NCLEX (about 18) all of them got jobs in the specialty they wanted in the hospital of their choice. Maybe in a few years they'll be crying the blues. But to me, it's all good. After 3.5 months, I'm as happy as a clam.
Mar 31, '08If you really feel that way - then maybe you should get out of the profession....
Possibly sounds like you didn't have the right motivation for going into the profession in the first place. It's about making a difference in someone's life, and helping others selflessly...... not money, not incentives, not respect......
you would probably be better off doing something else, and quite frankly, so would your patients. I'm sorry this profession was not what you thought it would be. And that's my
Mar 31, '08Quote from MissCdeeYeah, just wait. Your in CLINICALS. It different when you're really a nurse. Actually, in my experience, its the nursing students who think nursing is going to be one big sweet cup of tea because they are going to be little miss suzie happy nurse that often get feed up with it the fastest.I am in clinicals but I haven't been treated with disrespect because I treat people with respect.....for the women and men who hate their job then I truly think that you are in the wrong profession.....if you can't deal with it then maybe wal-mart is the job for you, I know that when I become a nurse it is not going to be easy but I am not going to be negative either.....I feel that if you pray and ask Our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST he will help you in everything you do.....
Nursing is though, and no matter how great you are (or how much you love jesus) there will be doctors, pts, families and coworkers that treat you with disrespect.
And can we please leave the preaching comments for the religious websites. This is a nursing forum, with nurses who have various religous beliefs. Thanks.
Mar 31, '08I agree with the previous poster ....... How dare you lump all nurses as pathetic. I know I am a great nurse as are most nurses. You need to support the profession or get out....
Jul 6, '08I am a very late responder to this post...I would never say that "nurses" are pathetic, but I think the basic structure of nursing is truly dysfunctional---as bad as any family can be. I am only in 8 months, and I am leaving the bedside for a different type of nursing position so that I will not leave nursing altogether. I agree with Lorster that there is a complex "martyr" syndrome that has long and deep roots in the history of the profession and that enables some of the ridiculous patterns of behavior and working conditions that nurses seem, on the whole, willing to put up with. But the price of that is the "horizontal" abuse we meet upon one another if we are not very vigilant, and the support we deny one another on an almost daily basis. Yes, these are generalizations, but they have a good deal of general truth to them, despite the fact that most nurses do love their work, and many nurses (though fewer and fewer as time passes and the nursing crisis deepens) have very good working conditions and job satisfaction. There can also be a pure and free sense of sacrificing in a healthy way for our patients, but "healthy" and "free" are definitely the operative concepts here: service to our sick and vulnerable is not the same as slavery within a profit-driven system that vlaues little else but the bottom line. I remember having a very odd and confusing conversation with one of the verteran nurses on our unit: after telling her I was thinking of moving on, she jumped to the "what did you think nursing was?" to "the new generation are just lazy" and then "why not do an exit interview and let them know what's going on up here?" It is obvious that she is really conflicted within herself: an excellent nurse with incredible dedication, but unable or unwilling to face the fact that the profession is taking serious hits from all sides, with even the most committed finding themselves frustrated, exhausted and disillusioned. So I think I understand what Lorster is saying, even though I would say it differently. Suzanne Gordon's work has been immensly helpful to me in reflecting on why this work has become so conflicted and intense (in the wrong ways). Nursing will ALWAYS be hard work, but there is a great deal about the hardness that can be changed.
Jul 6, '08Quote from Brainyheartthere ya go.Nursing will ALWAYS be hard work, but there is a great deal about the hardness that can be changed.
there is much that is within our control.
Jul 6, '08Lorster,
Instead of finding ways to describe how pathetic nurses are, (which we are not. Maybe you see yourself and those you work with to be that!!!) tou should actually make a change and start with yourself...maybe other will follow....
Jul 6, '08Lorster,
I'm feeling for you. As a young nurse, I felt pathetic also, & I knew it. Having Dr's point their fingers in my face & back me up against the wall activated an anger about my apathy. After having 2 children I started standing up for myself. I love helping my co-workers & have always been kind to new nurses, whether experienced or not. I have tried very hard to not be like some of the older nurses who were nasty to me. This is my payback to them, how I am now.
I've done alot of inner work, to become stronger. (I had to or I was going into landscape & design.) People who enter this profession for the money won't last.
As the political climate has changed I find that what is pathetic about our profession is the administrators & the people they choose as managers. This dysfunctional health system of the "haves & have nots" is pathetic. The lack of personal responsibility that we see in many of our patients is pathetic. The inequality of pay is pathetic.
Please take care of yourself & find a stress reliever that will help. Sometimes we just need to crash & burn. I hope you have a nurse-friend to talk with about this.
Jul 7, '08reading these posts i am absolutely shocked. i have NEVER and i repeat NEVER been treated like some of these nurses describe. i think in general nursing is a hard job, but not the worst. you have to pick the right place to work and you have to stand up for yourself. the irony of the whole salary issue is people say nurses get paid so bad but apparently that's not true, because if most nurses could find a job that paid what they get now they would be gone in a heart beat. so what do you do??? you try to make the best out of a bad situation, you find a better job or you do what is necessary to advance yourself. when i was a student and did my clinicals on the floor it was so obvious that that's where most of the burn out came from. i could not get over how bad the working conditions were. the nurses in more specialized areas seem to have more backbone and their working conditions were better. if a doctor ever treated me like what some people said in these posts he better get ready to deal with HR for harrassment. this whole issue saddens me because we need nurses. without good nurses the patients will die.
Jul 7, '08Hi, again...
When I said that there are "hard things" about nursing that can be changed, I wasn't necessarily saying that this is all up to each individual nurse. There are huge systemic problems that are beyond the control of any one person; that's why it can be accurately called dysfunction---it's a structural-attitudinal problem. I don't feel pathetic as a nurse, and I don't think nursing is pathetic, but I do feel a great deal of anger and frustration (and a certain powerlessness) when I see some of the foolish decisions, made "at the top," that translate down to the bedside in very real, dangerous ways: understaffing to save money is the biggest. And if you're lucky enough to work where staffing is really adequate to patient load and acuity, then always remember that there are THOUSANDS of other nurses who are not so fortunate, and who are burning out before their time, or so heartsick at the dangers of unsafe staffing that they cannot, in conscience, stay at the bedside any longer. The problem is very complex, and I think the first two rules if we want to better the profession and fight for it are: empathy (many nurses are suffering unjustly, even if I am not) and awareness (of the connection, for example, between safe care and nurse staffing, respect for nursing, nurse empowerment, etc). Again, I recommend Suzanne Gordon's important research on nursing---her books are very accessible and thought-provoking.
Jul 12, '08Brainyheart: Love your moniker - it sums up a lot. You are very eloquent and demonstrate both affection and useful criticism towards the occupational dysfunctions of nursing. I hope you end up in a position advocating for a large group of us since so many nurses are unable to advocate for themselves. I, too, have never experienced some of the horror stories I read on this post BUT, I believe that these things happen to women (less so than men) in EVERY kind of occupation and we're being very shortsighted to think that bad things happen because we're nurses. Bad things happen because we allow them. Some people just have the skills of making comebacks and we all not so razor quick with the witticisms, but we certainly can learn to react effectively but to do so means that we can't be consumed by our emotions. Emotions get us nowhere. Again your posts are very helpful.
Jul 12, '08Quote from Marie_LPNMy exact thoughts!!! Not everyone feels the same. Some complain and some don't!!!Please don't attempt to speak for all nurses by using the 'we' statements.