NurseLeigh: How wages affect public perception

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quoted from nurseleigh's postI just have a quick note for all of you that think that the respect would follow if the pay was better. . . . . I have heard comments such as "You must be making a lot of money being a nurse" or "Nurses make really good money" and so on and so forth.

So, seeing as the public seems to think that nurses pay is up there with doctors and lawyers and such, how would actually getting those wages help the publics view of nurses?????

Leigh

p.s. just in case ya'll are reading too much into this post, I am in no way being funny or sarcastic, i am very curious about your answers to this.

I started a new thread rather than shanghai the thread this was posted on, because this is really a different question.

https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=286757#post286757

Since I believe that better nursing wages will increase public respect of nurses, and have far more impact on the nursing shortage than educating the public about what we do, or standardizing educational requirements, I will answer your question, nurseleigh.

Our culture is based on economics, not altruism. When high school kids are looking for a career, they try to match their ability and interests to jobs that will give them personal satisfaction and the best monetary compensation they can get. When they realize that nurses have had a flat salary growth since the Dark Ages, contrary to poplularly held beliefs, and they'll be making $16 an hour working at the bedside, and cap after 5 years without even more costly, specialized education :rolleyes: ===they change their majors.

So suppose I have altruistic leanings and I want a BS degree? I can make way more money while still having job satisfaction by doing something else. Name me one job or career (nothing illegal, please) that a person can do that makes lotsa money but the public has NO respect for.

Here's an example:

John Q. Public has a lot of respect for doctors. He thinks, Why do doctors make so much money? Do I have to understand their work before I adjudge them worthy of their asking price?

No. I only know that they must do something very skilled, very specialized, or they couldn't charge so much. Respect for any career, in today's society, is measured in dollars and cents.

When the pt says, "Gee, you're a nurse. You must make great money," do you want to reply, "No, I don't. But I'm very intelligent and I have a lot of education."

Or, "No, I don't. But I have specialized training and I save lives, and I probably have saved your life at least twice since you've been in here."

Or, "No, I don't. Management doesn't think I'm important enough to pay well, and as soon's I begin to make a decent salary, they'll encourage me to leave, so it'll keep healthcare costs down. They can pay their CEO's millions, the docs have carte blanche to charge you whatever, and the hospital can buy the latest diagnostic equipment, but by golly, since nursing comprises their biggest budgetary outlay, the salaries of nurses must be kept to a minimum. I'm just doing my part for the healthcare industry by allowing it."

The truth is, we're negotiating our low salaries by saying nothing.

The public respects money. The public respects Chutzpah. Nurses have neither; the profession's reputation is built on self-sacrifice. That is why there is a nursing shortage.

If the general public thought, "Nursing is a great way to make a comfortable salary while saving lives," students would be flocking to nursing schools, IMO.

How many of us personally know people who decided against being a nurse strictly because the salary didn't compensate for the personal sacrifice. I know a few.

Finally, I have to wonder: If nurses made more money, would the public have less respect for them? Or more?

Your thoughts appreciated. :)

Specializes in CVOR,CNOR,NEURO,TRAUMA,TRANSPLANTS.

Yes in the publics eye we do make good money. But I would also hope that the Public understood Im not flipping burgers here, Im a very intricate part of the best Health Care Available to them or thier loved one that is currently on my OR table. If the hospitals and health care industry doesnt respect us for what we do as Nursing Professionals then why should we think the general public would?

Zoe

yeah, that is true no one trust lawyers and they do get paid but then again they go to school forever, not saying education has a bearing on a large paycheck. In this lovely country of ours athletes make more money than the law allow and teachers make squat. Personally I fee nursing pays decent and you have options to make a small fortune in nursing if you don't become a slave to the job! I only work per diem and I buy my own insurance. You have so many options in nursing. Registrty, travel, or strike, if that is your thing. I like the personal freedom nursing gives me. I do not like corporate too much ass kissing for me.

Are agency or traveling RNs used where you work? If so, you know that whatever they are paid, the agency is being paid 1.5 to 2 times that amount. There are skilled RNs in many parts of the USA actually earning $65 - 85 per hour. They have achieved this by quietly offering a facility a contract with their services, not undercutting what the agency RN makes, but asking for roughly what the agency makes. Facilities are signing these contracts because they get competence and an independent nurse who will not whine/complain. Incidentally, these RNs are not accepting ridiculous case loads either.

Start asking for what you want, quietly, firmly, professionally. Make an appt. with HR. Find out about the highest paid RN positions in your area/hiring bonuses etc and build a picture around this. Do not be angry - you do have options. If you are any good, facilities will pay to keep you or meet your needs for an improved workplace. The key is to be specific about what you want and do not presume that every RN you work with wants the same. Empower yourselves. Act like professionals and you will be treated appropriately. People will meet your expectations.

Money alone won't change the public perception, but it might help those of us working like dogs to feel adequately compensated.

Eltrip, RN- I'm not sure whereabouts you're from (near Narnia? heh heh?), but in California, RNs do make the same as carpenters. Yippee! I can say that, because my hubby is a carpenter. This year I finally surpassed him with my wages. My RN wages have gone up $10/hr in 4.5 years since I graduated. I now make the same wage (slightly better) than a Journeyman carpenter. Though, I have a BS in Nursing, I make no more than the trades.

The "trades" are more noble than you think! Though, to hear my husband's stories about carpentry, maybe you might look into electrician appenticeship instead. ;-) Those carpenters have to lug a lot of lumber & are physically wiped out at days end. Hmmm...sounds like my acute care nursing job, now that I think of it! (We're lugging patients & wiped out at days end...at least the carpenters get their breaks). ;-0

The public does not know what nurses do. I have said it before, and it will haunt me till my dying day, but I will NEVER forget the time my own mother (who saw my hard work through many years of college) made the classic faux pas & called a nurse aid/home health aid the same as a "nurse." When I tried to correct her, she OBVIOUSLY didn't see the difference, the "hidden world" of RN knowledge, much like many patients & families can only see what you "do" physically. They have NO idea what is going on in that educated RN brain of yours . We do so much more in our "heads" and in assessment. They just don't know our many talents...and stressors, because we are forever connected to the bed pan & the image of handmaiden.

I'm rooting for decent pay, though. Fair pay never hurts.

:roll

Originally posted by kona2

Money alone won't change the public perception, but it might help those of us working like dogs to feel adequately compensated.

We do so much more in our "heads" and in assessment. They just don't know our many talents...and stressors, because we are forever connected to the bed pan & the image of handmaiden.

I'm rooting for decent pay, though. Fair pay never hurts.

:roll

I feel the same way Kona - you "nailed" it...(heh heh)

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