Like I really need feed-back on this. . . . - page 2
I get to work and here is the following memo. Like it is so shocking to me. What's more shocking is the complacency that fellow nurses accept this as normal behavior. Are we a sick profession or... Read More
Jun 8, '01Occupation: RN Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 86; Likes: 2RunningSoLate, Is your hosp. so stupid that they have to PAY for a time study? (mine waists lots of $ on programs too)and what about they just forget the "number on your back" and go right to a "TATTOO on your forehead" For God's sake, when will people in management LEARN how to NOT piss off and demoralize their employees, My suggestion is just go ahead and RUNNNNNN with their idea of a "good thing"! You can make stats, say anything you want, so have fun with it, and they will have waisted tons of money for such a poorly executed program.I wonder how many more times hospitals will try to run a patient care system like a manufacturing industry!......laughing at the Pencil Pushing Morons..imaRN
Jun 9, '01Joined: Jan '01; Posts: 3,354; Likes: 62Originally posted by RunningSoLate:
<STRONG>We were told in a recent meeting that "no nurse was worth $50.00 an hour" </STRONG>
*cough* bite me *cough*
Jun 9, '01Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 8,747; Likes: 8,444It sounds like a good idea too me. I agree that it seems they could get the information more directly but perhaps having an independent third party assessing the situation will give your claims of short staffing more weight.
My only suggestion that could be forwarded to your admin is that if 5 nurses work the floor utilizing their time at 100% (which is probably the facility goal) it doesn't show the work that had to be skipped because everyone was too busy to do it, or the treatments or meds administered in a rush. Will they be watching for moments when a nurse is doing two things at once(giving report and pt care at the same time) and score that time as 200%.
Ask admin how a score of greater than 100% will be shown in the company numbers, or if it is even possible. Their answer will be a good indication of how valid the study will be.
Jun 9, '01Occupation: RN (unemployed by choice) Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience in telemetry, cardiac stepdown ; From: US ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 50; Likes: 1[QUOTE[*]All activities will be recorded, even idle time when you might be waiting for a return phone call from an MD or medication to be tubed from the pharmacy. [/b][/list]
When you point something like this out as SICK, Administration says it involves two problems: our lack of flexibility and bad morale.
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Just had to pick out my "favorite" part of this asinine memo. "Idle time"? "IDLE TIME"?!!!!! Who out there has EVER sat on their ass next to a phone or a tube system waiting for anything???? When I worked in a facility that had us carrying spectralink phones, at least I didn't have to worry about some snotty doc hanging up if he got put on hold because I went to try and get some work done while waiting for him to decide I was worth calling back. Time management studies work great on assembly lines, but these management morons will never understand that they DO NOT APPLY when caring for human beings. They can decide all they want that it should take x number of minutes to perform daily care...then you get hit with a code blue or even a code brown and the whole shebang is in the hopper. Oh yeah, you lack flexibility, all right...they want you to bend over and grab your ankles on a daily basis, and you know what for. They are blaming their own nurses for the bad morale? Reminds me of the military- "the floggings shall continue until morale improves".
Any place I have ever seen institute acuity levels did it hoping that it would support downsizing. When they found out the results indicated they needed MORE staff rather than less, the acuity levels faded away like they never existed.
I realize I am ranting, and I must now go and dry the foam off my keyboard. I must be out of my mind to even be considering a return to the bedside. I think I'll just go practice saying "would you like fries with that?"
Jun 9, '01Occupation: Critical Care Nurse Joined: Sep '00; Posts: 18; Likes: 1I never thought about it that way, canoehead, but I have given report while at the patient's bedside, titrating drips, giving FFP and platelets and running in blood. How DO you measure 200%?????????
And to answer NursePooh, well I have never waited by a phone for a doctor to answer back or a tube system to return stuff to me either. I think you are exactly right when you said that the only reason for these time management studies is to show US how wrong we are--that downsizing is feasible. Then when the study shows they need more nurses--you don't hear another thing about the study.
Jun 9, '01Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 131; Likes: 17The nursing home where I worked would implement the "time study" every couple of months to the "management team". We all hated it. I was an MDS/PPS nurse and was able to "fine tune" my creative writing skills. Time study: 2PM - 3PM: Reviewing medical chart for # of falls on Mr. Jones and assessing for appropriate preventative measures to prevent further falls. The truth: I was sitting with Mr. Jones talking to him about how sore the big bump on his head was and giving him hugs and telling him we were going to put a soft belt around his waist to keep him safe, etc. Also, going to get a big bowl of vanilla ice cream for Mr. Jones. Those time studies suck. I admire my Director of Nursing (DON) for refusing to do her time study one time. She had guts and did not get fired. Us wimps continued to do our "creative writing". A lot of Christian groups are focusing on "absolute truth" these days. All I can think of is Jesus telling certain people who he healed to tell no one. What were they supposed to say if they were lame one day and walking the next?
"Hey, man, I just figgered out how to use these things."?
Jun 9, '01Occupation: Quality Nurse & Home Health Nurse Joined: Dec '99; Posts: 3,786; Likes: 129Zee, I love you, but I respectfully disagree, basically for one simple bottom line reason, who is paying for this study? Management! The results will be manipulated to serve their purposes. Now, if the memo was saying that your nursing union, or an independent group of nurses, or a nursing research org were funding the study, I would feel more inclined to believe that the results would be used to serve nursing's purpose and demostrate unsafe levels of staffing, unsafe nurse : pt ratios, and maybe even more $$!!
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Jun 10, '01Joined: Mar '00; Posts: 1,322; Likes: 297Hi colleagues. All of you make valid points. Management wants a way to measure our productivity to justify how and why resources are being used. I agree we don't want to be wasteful with the resources, and we don't want to continue to burn ourselves out with inefficient use of time. But, is the tool being used patient-centered or focused? What about time that may be needed to sit and let the patient or family vent? What about time to show the patient or family that you are a caring human being? It's the "little things" that really count for our patients and families that I fear are being left out of this time analysis tool.
Jun 10, '01Occupation: Rn case manager for home health Joined: May '01; Posts: 2I'm a case manager in home health. We don't punch a clock but our time sheets are "time studys" We have to write down what we are doing in 30 min increments. No way can the time sheet actully reflect everything we do in one day. Our area Administrator who reviews the sheets is not a nurse and has no understanding of how many multiple tasks that can be done in 30 minutes or the waste of time filling out the time sheets are when you have much more important documentation to do.
Jun 10, '01Occupation: RN (unemployed by choice) Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience in telemetry, cardiac stepdown ; From: US ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 50; Likes: 1I read a blurb in a magazine the other day that each 30 minutes of patient care generates as much as 90 additional minutes of paperwork. I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't go into nursing so I could end up with carpal tunnel from filling out tons of redundant documentation
Jun 10, '01Occupation: Re-retired Specialty: 42 year(s) of experience in NICU, Infection Control ; From: CA, US ; Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 12,421; Likes: 3,762Every body is saying great things; I just wanted to add a visual about how it will look to patients, families, other health care professionals, etc., to walk around all shift with a number on your back!! That alone is unbelievably degrading.
Makes me think of a bank commercial they're running lately where the customers get a bar code stapled [painfully] to their foreheads, then have to go stand in another line for their transaction where the teller takes a hold of their head and "scans" them!! You hear her say as she passes the guys head back and forth, "I just hate when it won't scan!".
What'll they think of next?
Jun 11, '01Occupation: rn Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 524; Likes: 48As example of the mentality that thwarts nursing practice, I want to pass on this letter that was published in "NurseWeek" Mountain West Edition:
"Nursing shortages have occurred before; this time the shortage can be laid at the feet of nurses with so many degrees that they cannot do hands-on nursing. Many of their teachers have never done hands-on nursing. A true professional has a period of training after graduation longer than a few weeks, e.g., internship and residency of physicians.
Any unit can be run with speed and efficiency if the staff is of adequate size. HAVING TAUGHT NURSES AIDES, (caps are mine), I can say that patient needs are very basic. Toilet needs, water and food requests are followed through and personal bodily needs are cared for. Pain and/or routine medications are given on time and treatments are completed in a timely manner.
Except for the last two, the other needs can be completed by staff other than an RN, which equates to one RN with an LPN and aides (caring for five to six patients each) for a unit of 20 to 25 patients. signed RoseLee Bernstein, Sun City, AZ."
The first time I read this, I just blew it off. About the fifth time, I recognized it as an icon of the typical thinking of a person who is not a nurse and has no idea of what a nurse does. Let me hear your thoughts on this please. Do you find it as offensive as I do?
Jun 11, '01Occupation: RN (unemployed by choice) Specialty: 6 year(s) of experience in telemetry, cardiac stepdown ; From: US ; Joined: May '01; Posts: 50; Likes: 1I want to move to Sun City AZ and wait for little Ms RoseLee Bernstein to get sick. Then I want to be her nurse, and educate her about the role of nurses at the bedside