Is marijuana addictive? - page 9
A couple of us were having this discussion tonight. One nurses says no it is not addictive. I said "well I've know some potheads who couldn't stop smoking, couldn't face life without pot, etc." ... Read More
Dec 24, '02Occupation: Nurse Consultant Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 3,105; Likes: 49Vailgang
One other thing. I think I may have drifted a bit myself. You were asking how to answer questions about marijuana from the teens, right? And that you were looking for facts and not opinion. Ah, that is not easy with marijuana. That is the exact reason for this thread. The jury truly is out as to whether or not marijuana is harmful. Asside from the obvious smoke in the lungs negative affect and a few other "maybe" negative effects, we just don't know for sure. Most can agree on the danger of just about all other illegal drugs and alcohol, except this one. That is the reason the ongoing controversy. It's almost like we keep waiting for some dastardly unknown effect to be proven, but it never happens.
Dec 24, '02Joined: Dec '02; Posts: 41,761; Likes: 48,078To be fair about starting a new thread, I was responding to subjects that were already brought up on this one. Namely, legalization, the anti-marijuana ads, if there is any harm to using pot, etc. Marijuana was the "Gateway" drug for my ex . . .he started smoking pot at 12 after school when his parents were at work. He moved on to alcohol, "ludes", cocaine, mushrooms, LSD, etc. He is impaired because of his drug use. Drugs have a negative effect on alot of people. He mostly smokes pot and drinks beer now. He started at 12 and he is now 43 and on disability and barely has a relationship with his sons. I truly don't buy the legalizing argument as legalizing does nothing to the chemical components of illegal drugs. They don't magically change into something positive and not harmful. So to me legalizing doesn't help anyone but the criminal who sells it . . . he magically changes his spots from criminal to law abiding citizen. You could use the same argument for murderers. Let's just legalize murder then we wouldn't have to put people in jail. Now the murdered people are just as dead, we just changed the definition for our own convenience. Sorry if this hit a cord with me . . . . I just see the consequences too often. Recently had a mom of an 8 year old who was hooked on meth (she started smoking pot at 9 with her friend's older sisters who thought it would be funny to get the "little kids stoned"). This mom was "dating" a mexican national who was keeping her supplied with meth and molesting her daughter at the same time. She knew he was molesting her daughter. So, is marijuana physically addictive? Does it matter? It certainly keeps people coming back and moving on to bigger and better drugs. This is a sad subject for Christmas Eve. I'll leave it alone now. Sorry to have bugged y'all. Merry Christmas.
Dec 25, '02Occupation: LPNII Clinical Research Coordinator Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 132; Likes: 2ummm uhhh yaaa I tried it when I was young I wish I could remember jeeese uhhh hmmmmm wellllll uhhhhhh it was aaaaahhh hmmmmm weeellll......you get the picture..I was blonde and it wasn't a very attractive sight (dumb blonde jokes)...red eyes couldn't complete a single thought...wanted to sleep but first I needed a "Steak n Shake" large fries with a large chocolate shake ummmm then I wanted to go to bed...probably a good thing I didn't pick it up as a habit because I'd weight about 400 pounds and have no life..:imbarLast edit by jacolaur on Dec 25, '02
Dec 25, '02Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56I personally don't really care if marijuana was physically addictive or not. Even if alcohol was not, and cigarettes were not, we all know it's bad for your health! What more do you need?
Personally, all you in favor of pot smoking should probably be working towards keeping it illegal for your own benefit. Why? If it become legalized, within 10-20 years a bunch o' you are gonna take up a lawsuit with the pot farmers, claim you didn't know it was bad for your (or, we find out by then it IS physically addictive and claim that the government "knew" this back in 2003) and then you're gonna drive the pot industry bankrupt from paying out all those settlements, and then POOF! it's gone. Similar to McDonald's etc. There's only so much in lawyer fees, etc that a company can pay before it goes belly-up.
Jan 26, '03From: NY, US ; Joined: May '02; Posts: 4,130; Likes: 91Originally posted by ITSJUSTMEZOE
PS: You can drive on it, if your speed limit is 15 mph because thats as fast as you will be going. Though in your mind your driving 55.
Jan 27, '03Joined: Nov '02; Posts: 15pot is not physically addictive - that is, no physical withdraw symptoms when you stop using - but sure does make some people feel good. whether that constitutes an addiction who knows. AA and NA dont treat someone as sober who still smokes pot. i dont think that if something is not physically addictive then its ok - what about methamphetamine? that is also not physically addictive - no withdraw symptoms - but did you ever see some try to kick a meth habit even though they are just psychologically addicted? the psychological part is often the hardest.
Jan 27, '03Occupation: SRNA Joined: Oct '02; Posts: 1,191; Likes: 28Originally posted by bodine
the psychological part is often the hardest.
Jan 27, '03Occupation: research nurse Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 1,878; Likes: 44Marijuana doesn't seem to be addictive, as people have said here. People do get hooked (in the vernacular) in that they really really like it and don't WANT to stop. Heck, my best friend is a major cigarette (tobacco) smoker and she doesn't want to stop. She's aware of the health risks, and to her, it's worth it.
I've also read that the smoke from marijuana is more damaging to lung tissues than tobacco smoke, but it seems to me that, unless someone's entire lifestyle is nothing but lying around smoking pot, they don't have nearly as much exposure.
I'm the other one in my generation -- and I suspect I'm a bit older than you -- who's never tried it. There's no way I can or ever could purposely inhale smoke. Some friends said that they'd fix some brownies for me, but to my knowledge (LOL) they never did. I'm pretty laid-back though. I had a friend who hurt my feelings by saying she'd known me for four years before she figured out I wasn't stoned every day of my life. Me! Upstanding wife, mother and member of the community!
I didn't understand the study quoted here. But, unfortunately, I've known quite a few people who have been on "hard" or harder drugs, and every single one of them - 100% - started out with marijuana. I don't know how to interpret this, but in my experience, it's true. It is certainly NOT true that every person I know who indulges in pot has moved on to heavier drugs.
Here's a good question, I think. And since the thread seems to have wormed away a bit from the original question, I'll pose it. WHY is marijuana illegal? Here's my paranoid conspiracy theory reason: The big liquor companies were afraid it would cut into their profits, so they put up PAC's to keep it illegal.
But maybe I'm just cynical. I think that "big sugar' is keeping cyclamates illegal, too.
I wish it was available medicinally. The THC has some awesome properties: antinausea, pain relief, reduction of occular pressure. Cant' think of any more, but those by themselves seem like they're worth getting it legalized for medical reasons.
I have an acquaintance in California. I don't know if it still is, but medicinal marijuana was legal where he lived. He was in a lot of pain from a severe motorcycle accident, lost a let and has major spinal problems. Marijuana is the most effective pain reliever for him. He moved to another state to be with his "queen," and was arrested for his medicinal marijuana.
Now, he has other issues, of course. I think that most people, if they acted reasonably at the time of the arrest or arraignment or trial would not be jailed for a small amount of marijuana. But he was. He wanted the publicity for his cause of legalizing it.
Jan 28, '03Occupation: Currently on medical leave searching for new avenue of nursing Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 41; Likes: 11I think it depends on what it is being used for ..... I have seen some amazing help with cancer patients......and I have seen some very sad cases of abuse with drug addicts.
The addicts need the high to escape, and unfortunately like any other drug after awhile the high isnt so great and the need is greater leading to "bigger and better means"... Therefore I think its not only a physical but also a mental means of dependency/
Thank god for me benadryl knocks me out ..... hahahaha cheap date for those of you who can relate
Jan 28, '03Occupation: Retired Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 4,288; Likes: 31Of COURSE it should be legalized. This takes the crime out of the picture. For those who don't think it should be used...don't use it!
We need to legalize it, slap a sin tax on it and put those farmers in Iowa back to work.
Jan 28, '03Occupation: Nurse Consultant Specialty: 24 year(s) of experience in Obstetrics, M/S, Psych ; Joined: Jun '02; Posts: 3,105; Likes: 49Russell, you speak the fewest and truest words once again.
Jan 28, '03Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56Originally posted by Rustyhammer
Of COURSE it should be legalized. This takes the crime out of the picture. For those who don't think it should be used...don't use it!
We need to legalize it, slap a sin tax on it and put those farmers in Iowa back to work.
Jan 28, '03Occupation: Retired Joined: Jul '01; Posts: 4,288; Likes: 31Originally posted by Susy K
Ok, just promise me in 20 years you won't file a stupid lawsuit against those Iowa farmers for growing something that was bad for you, and blame the government for it.