I think nurses share some of the blame for the nursing shortage.

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I read recently that only 12% of all nurses are under the age of 30. Being a new graduate BSN and practicing nursing for 18 months, I found that statistic pretty horrifying. I have been visiting this site for about three months now and various nurses are trying to find out solutions to the nursing shortage and who to blame.

First off I think nurses need to share some of that blame. Like I said am a new nurse that graduated with my BSN and also with a Business degree. So I am keen to pick up on why things do not work. First off our normal nursing class size usually max out at thirty-five students. Our class started out with 27 students because the program did not receive enough applications to fill the class. During my last two years we lost 5 students out of the program not because of low grade or they failed out, most were top of our class, mostly because of lack of respect they received from nursing instructors and nursing staff at the local hospitals where we did our clinical.

LPN's and Rn's alike would ridicule most of the students. They would openly complain about us to the patients and to staff members alike. During report we would hear the RN's say "al my gosh we have students today, today would be a good day to call in sick". Don't get me wrong there was some educators that did a good gob and greeted us with open arms, but a majority of the time the staff was very disrespectful from RN's to Nursing Assistant's. Most of the teaching came from physicians if we had the opportunity to rounds with.

After graduation I passed my boards on the first try and took a job on a Medical Surgical floor. The first night was highly anticipated and was looking forward to my new career. I reported to the charge nurse who did not expect me and did not know who to put me with. Eventually they put me with a LVN who was very intolerable to teaching others and I seemed like a burden to her. Eventually I just left and told the charge nurse I was very disappointed by the way things was run here and left in middle of my shift.

Eventually I did land a job that did really well in teaching me the ins and outs of nursing. I would actually check on my fellow graduates after a year of last seeing them. One of my fellow students informed me that four other nurses got out of nursing they did not feel safe with the patient load given to them and very little mentoring from senior nurses.

I am 26 years of age, kind of old for a new graduate. I worked in other professions such and engineering as a drafter and sales. Never have I worked in a profession that fellow professionals were so rude and uncaring to each other. I have several friends who are physicians that talked me to going back to school and finish my classes to apply to Medical School, they openly joke about how nurses are very disrespectfully to each other and how senior nurses eat their young.

If the nursing profession were such a great career as most of you described, there would not be a shortage. I agree that that the aging baby boomer poses a challenge and is one of the reasons but I think we need to look in the mirror and accept some of the blame.

So in closing if you get a new graduated in the floor, accept them with open arms instead of treating them like a burden.

have you ever seen the cartoon of the little fish being eaten by a larger fish while an evern larger fish is swooping down with a even larger fish about to eat him on and on

this is how some places turn out...the mds jump on the rns who bark at an lpn who take it out on a cna....someone has to break the cycle....some times the students get caught up in the middle...and sometimes----the students come in just waiting to show off their new found knowledge...knowledge which they are sure the rns, lpn, and cnas are just waiting for with bated breath.....

I do agree that nurses need to develope a higher respect for each other. I have had many bad experiences with professors, co-workers etc. The lesson I have learned is to not talk about other nurses in a negative way but compliment them on the good things they do. (It has to start somewhere) "She great at starting I.V.'s or he's really knowledgeable in that area." I have found this to help me not be so catty and it has caught on to others around me. Nurses love to be complimented like everyone else. I make it a rule to compliment two nurses on every shift I work. It help keeps the relationships between us good and it shows other nurses the positive side of their co-workers. Start it where you work and see how it catches on. Try not to get caught up in the "click" and be friends with everyone. There will be a few nurses you can't change and that's a personality issue on their part, not yours. But it may make them smile. Nurses need to stop demanding respect and start giving it. Soon we will see other professionals giving it to us also. Let's do a study on this. Try this for say 3-4 months where you work (complimenting others instead of saying she's/he's dangerous etc.) Come back and tell me the results on if it has changed anything in your department. Watch and see!!!!

I read recently that only 12% of all nurses are under the age of 30. Being a new graduate BSN and practicing nursing for 18 months, I found that statistic pretty horrifying. I have been visiting this site for about three months now and various nurses are trying to find out solutions to the nursing shortage and who to blame.

First off I think nurses need to share some of that blame. Like I said am a new nurse that graduated with my BSN and also with a Business degree. So I am keen to pick up on why things do not work. First off our normal nursing class size usually max out at thirty-five students. Our class started out with 27 students because the program did not receive enough applications to fill the class. During my last two years we lost 5 students out of the program not because of low grade or they failed out, most were top of our class, mostly because of lack of respect they received from nursing instructors and nursing staff at the local hospitals where we did our clinical.

LPN's and Rn's alike would ridicule most of the students. They would openly complain about us to the patients and to staff members alike. During report we would hear the RN's say "al my gosh we have students today, today would be a good day to call in sick". Don't get me wrong there was some educators that did a good gob and greeted us with open arms, but a majority of the time the staff was very disrespectful from RN's to Nursing Assistant's. Most of the teaching came from physicians if we had the opportunity to rounds with.

After graduation I passed my boards on the first try and took a job on a Medical Surgical floor. The first night was highly anticipated and was looking forward to my new career. I reported to the charge nurse who did not expect me and did not know who to put me with. Eventually they put me with a LVN who was very intolerable to teaching others and I seemed like a burden to her. Eventually I just left and told the charge nurse I was very disappointed by the way things was run here and left in middle of my shift.

Eventually I did land a job that did really well in teaching me the ins and outs of nursing. I would actually check on my fellow graduates after a year of last seeing them. One of my fellow students informed me that four other nurses got out of nursing they did not feel safe with the patient load given to them and very little mentoring from senior nurses.

I am 26 years of age, kind of old for a new graduate. I worked in other professions such and engineering as a drafter and sales. Never have I worked in a profession that fellow professionals were so rude and uncaring to each other. I have several friends who are physicians that talked me to going back to school and finish my classes to apply to Medical School, they openly joke about how nurses are very disrespectfully to each other and how senior nurses eat their young.

If the nursing profession were such a great career as most of you described, there would not be a shortage. I agree that that the aging baby boomer poses a challenge and is one of the reasons but I think we need to look in the mirror and accept some of the blame.

So in closing if you get a new graduated in the floor, accept them with open arms instead of treating them like a burden.

Specializes in Hospice specialty.

With the agency I work for I do prn shifts in the Baptist Health System hospitals including St. Luke's Hospital. It's amazing how the hospitals can all be in the same system and yet so completely different. I recently had surgery at St. Luke's and the staff, especially my pre-op RN were so great I have praised them over and over to anyone who will listen! :)

I work at St. Luke's. SO many people say the same thing:) Thats why i work there!!!!

Specializes in hospice, home care, LTC.

I'm currently in nursing scholl, just completed NSG 101 with a final grade of A. My first clinical instructor was of the young-eating kind, and if it weren't for the support of each other, I believe that 3 of the students in this clinical would have quit. I just kept in mind the fact that I have much to offer my future clients and that no one is going to knock me out!

The nursing shortage is due to a lack of schools...period! See the "Nursing News" article "32,000 students turned away". We may not be as nice to each other as we could be on certain occasions but we are not that bad! When was the last time you heard about nurses fist fighting? Happens all the time in the construction field. Taxi drivers flip each other off & office politics are brutal. Every field has it's rotten apples and nursing is no different nor does it have a bigger problem. "Eating our young" is a steriotype that is just not true. IMHO.

The nursing shortage is due to a lack of schools...period! See the "Nursing News" article "32,000 students turned away". We may not be as nice to each other as we could be on certain occasions but we are not that bad! When was the last time you heard about nurses fist fighting? Happens all the time in the construction field. Taxi drivers flip each other off & office politics are brutal. Every field has it's rotten apples and nursing is no different nor does it have a bigger problem. "Eating our young" is a steriotype that is just not true. IMHO.

I disagree.

"Eating our young" is not a stereotype, it's alive and well.

The many comments from new grads as well as students in clinicals on this very forum alone is evidence of that.

It's not pervasive on every hospital unit, but it's there in significant numbers.

As far as fist fighting goes, I'd personally rather have a knock-down, drag out fist fight with a co-worker and be done with it any day, rather than endure the day to day horizontal violence that goes on in our field.

If someone decides that they don't like you for whatever reason, the drama and bull$%!! drags on day after day.

I'd rather have someone just beat the crap out of me and get it over with than try to daily threaten my job and even my license that I worked so hard to get.

Nurses are micro-managed on so many levels, yet are often severely under-supervised and not kept in check when it comes to how we are allowed to treat each other.

I know that students and new grads use this site to complain and vent...and this is a good place for it. But you must remember that you are only reading one side of the story. They may not like being "eaten" but they don't tell you that they: Took a BP over an AV Fistula graft or forgot to unclamp a chest tube, placed an NG tube using ointment and tested placement with 30mls of saline, Used a sterile backtable as an arm rest and had to be told twice to stop asking the surgeon questions, told a family member that the decubitus was from infrequent turning or that the cleft palate was kinda "cute", tried to hang antibiotics on an arterial line or bolus Vancomycin peripherally. And sure I may be mad for a few days when my relief calls in sick at the last minute and I have to work 4 more hours only to find out later how much fun they had at the waterpark.

I work in a unit with 30 RN's and we have become like family. We have all the good times and bad like any other family. Sure we have arguments and hurt feelings but we also help each other and have great holiday parties. Perpetuating the myth that we are somehow meaner or bitchier than other fields is just a self feeding inaccuracy.

Hello, I am a newly graduated GN, from a BSN program. I believe the nursing shortage stems from a couple of reasons and that they all tie in to one another and just forms a vicious cycle. We have chosen a profession that does not really value education and slightly values experience. And while some will say that experience in nursing is indeed valued, it is not often reflected in pay.

I believe that there is not a shortage of nursing schools, but in qualified nursing instructors. Most nurses who have advanced their education to the Masters level do not want to go into education with the lack of compensation and low pay being the number one reason. So you have all of these people wanting to attend nursing school but having to be turned away because their is not enough faculty to accomodate them. I think that this problem could be fixed by :

1) Increasing the pay of MSN's to at least $70,000 annually. This would draw more nurses to the education field knowing that they could make a decent living AND do what they love.

2) Allow BSN nurses to teach clinical courses. At my nursing school the ratio was 10 clinical students to 1 instructor. When there was a shortage of clinical instructors that meant at least 10 students would have to wait another semester to start clinical. By allowing BSN's to teach clinicals, this would increase faculty, which would increase the number of nursing students, which would help to DECREASE the nursing shortage.

Now, because nursing does not seem to value education (thus people not wanting to pursue MSN's because there's not a significant increase in pay, or ADN's not wanting to pursue a BSN because there's not a significant increase in pay), you have nurses staying in bedside nursing positions year after year after year with minimal compensation experiencing burnout and bitterness. Now say its 10 yrs later and there's a new grad coming to your unit who makes a few dollars less than you! This has to get to the best of persons!! But this is nursing.

Until we stop fighting amongst ourselves and behaving as crabs, hating for the next person to get a little more than we do (ADN's who believe that BSN's should not make a penny more than they do for one reason or another), this viscious cycle will continue. Sometimes we have to look at the big picture and see things down the line years from now. Our profession will always be in the low $20's per hr.(no experience) to high $20's per hr. for 15 yrs + experience) if we keep collectively putting and pulling each other down. Remember, if it only took a 2yr degree to become a doctor and make $100,000 plus a yr, everyone would be trying to be a doctor!! But more importantly, the pay would NOT be as high because it would only take a 2 yr investment to make 6 figures. I think that we should all value one another and promote policies and pay that will benefit nurses as a whole. Today we might be a graduate nurse or a ADN, but one day we will be the nurse with 20 yrs of experience or a BSN or MSN and we should want those people in those positions to be properly compensated so that we will also be compensated when we get there.

Brina

BSN and MSN are paid more but only when they use their advanced degrees. If an MSN remains in med/surg, they will be compensated like the other med/surg RN's. There is a huge shortage of clinical instructors. Not many MSN's are willing to take a pay cut to teach full time.

I've been a nurse 13 years. I do not agree that nuses eat their young. In general I think nurses are very supportive of one another. I rarely have seen the behavior you describe. I've also work in the business word befor becoming a nurse. I left the business world because of the me first attitude. In the business community I was rarely given support and encouragement. From Day 1 as a nurse I have been encouraged and supported. Most of the nurses I have encontered will say the same

I swear, I am so sick and tired of that "nurses eat their young" urban legend. Mean people eat other people. Stop with the ageism, already!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Experienced nurses eat inexperienced nurses. New nurses who think they know it all eat newer nurses, and sometimes they go after older nurses who they perceive as being "fossils." Students try to eat nurses who have actual experience and not in the "all book knowledge, no practical experience" stage anymore.

Hostility is not age specific. I almost wish the admin. here would make the "nurses eat their young" phrase a violation of the TOS, that's how irritating it is to me. It is a myth that gets perpetuated when a few people have bad experiences.

I have plenty of teeth marks left from younger nurses who tried to "eat" me; that doesn't mean I'd make a stereotype about new nurses.

Specializes in Case Management, Advanced Illness, Hospi.

After 16 years as an LPn I went back to school for my RN. I must say that as a student I witnessed Nurses eating their young and in fact was being eaten alive. What a tough position to be in to be taken alive by a 24 year old new grade when I have already been out there for 16 years and was twice her age. I think this profession needs to welcome new comers with a smile and help them. Respect. After all it is very scarey getting into this field. And everyone had to start somewhere!

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