I am a male L&D nurse

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-this is a response to the male L&D nurse thread

This topic pops up often, if anyone is interested I think I have posted on most of them over the past 3 years so you can access them via my profile.

I read the whole thread and am interested in some of the topics presented I'll answer them from my own perspective and invite responses both negative and positive.

First let me say that I very strongly support a patients right to refuse any caregiver for any reason. That's not to say I agree with the thinking behind their decisions but it is their body and they have a right to say who does things to it. If they say they don't want a nurse for any reason this is their right. I have had 1 patient this past year ask for a female nurse and I had to defend her decision to my charge nurse. My coworkers were offended on my behalf because they know that I'm a good nurse but I had to remind them that the patient's rights superseded any feelings any of us had. That said let's get on to some of the other issues.

First there are several posts by a lady that feels that birthing is a spiritual thing. She also feels that it is a time for bonding among women. I very much agree with this statement and I'm happy that she has been able to find this among her caregivers. Working in L&D for 2 years (which isn't very long) I am sorry to say that I have found that, such a situation is rare. Deliveries have been "medicalized" and many caregivers aren't interested in bonding or in the spiritual aspect of birthing. Although it goes against our societies stereotypical role for a man, if you asked my coworkers they would tell you that I am more supportive of the spiritual and bonding aspects of birth then anyone else on the floor. True I have never and will never personally experience birth and I can't offer a female to female connection but none the less I do connect very intimately with my patients and their partners as well as getting them threw the process safely. Please don't feel that I am in anyway challenging your choice to have only women care providers (as I said before, it's your right). I would however like to present the point of view that in absence of what you have found in your care providers I come in a close second.

Next, There was someone who said that a man wanting to work L&D is doing so only to satisfy their own crusade or placing their own desires above those of the patients. I don't agree with this statement but it is a valid question. I had to struggle with this question myself.

I like the majority of other male nursing students had my sights set on the ER or ICU. I was very surprised when during my OB clinical I discovered that I loved L&D. It was a difficult couple of years when I first decided I wanted to go to L&D and then started working post partum. I was the first male to ever work the area at this hospital and the nurses were very cruel. They made every effort to humiliate and demoralize me as well as trying to get me fired. Eventually they tried several times to convince patients to fabricate stories of abuse or neglect. This was communicated to me by my patients who were utterly discussed that the other nurses would even suggest it. I tell you these things not so that you will pity me; I did after all choose this path and have no regrets.

I am writing these things to demonstrate the state of mind that made me question my true reasons for going into OB. With so many of my colleagues so strongly opposed to my being on the floor, I had to ask myself if I was doing something wrong. Then I had to question weather I was only there for myself. Was I placing my own desires above the needs of my patients?

Do you know what answered the question for me? .... It was the patients. When they told me that they loved me and that I had helped them. It was the memories I accumulated over that first year of caring for patients and of the many times patients told me how glad they were to have me. It was the patients who asked for me because their sisters had told them about how I had cared for them. It was the patients I later saw in the grocery store who ran up to show me their baby and hug me. They weren't embarrassed that I had seen them naked or that I had seen them at their worst. They were grateful (and dare I hope better off) for the care I gave them.

I also thought back and pinpointed the exact moment I decided that I wanted to be an L&D nurse. It was the last day of my L&D rotation. I hadn't been allowed to see any deliveries because the nurses wouldn't allow it. I was sent to answer a call light for a patient in labor, I don't remember what she needed or what I did for her, but she asked me to be there for her delivery. Her nurse didn't want me in the room but the patient and my instructor convinced her as long as I stayed at the head of the bed and didn't look at her lady parts. She cried and struggled threw labor and I was there and I knew I helped her, I knew that holding her hand and talking to her made a difference and I loved it. After the delivery she asked me not to forget her and I never will.

That's when I decided and that's why I do what I do. Yes I like the autonomy of L&D, yes I am proud knowing that I am damn good at what I do and that I make better outcomes by knowing my stuff and I am fascinated by the process of conception, gestation and birth but all of these factors pale when compared to how much I love comforting patients and meeting their needs. There is nothing better short of the love I have for my wife, children and God. To me it's like heaven.

Finally I'm going to address another issue that has been discussed here. I'm not going to name names or point fingers but there are many on this board and many in our profession that feel that men should not work L&D or that it's sick. Many times this is disguised as a statement supporting patient rights but it goes deeper then that and should not be confused as advocacy for patients. It is blatant predigest and like other predigest it is rooted in misunderstanding and generations of anger, it is wrong and it is destructive to people, both nurse and patient. A few people have mentioned that there aren't many male L&D nurses, this isn't because of lack of interest it is because of fear. It's because they are afraid of accusations, of being seen as gay or as perverted and it keeps good nurses from following their chosen path. Once again (because I know some of you are thinking it) I am not talking about what patients choose, I am talking about what nurses say and think.

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Awww we love you dayray!!!!!!!!!!!! I know you are a wonderful nurse; hands down, men CAN and DO make wonderful L AND D NURSES!

Dixiedi , I think you and I would get along great.

I had a patient the other day that was very direct. it was her 4th baby and she was 39 weeks. I came in and introduced myself, explained what and why I was going to do. She stopped me before I finished and said.

"Cut the crap I'm here to deliver a baby and your here to give me pain medicine and call the doctor to come in and catch it! now shut up and check my cervix instead of talking about it".

Sadly when I checked her she was only 2-3 cm (which she had been for a month) and wasn't contracting very much, but she had such a confidence about her and was miserably uncomfortable with some uterine cramps (just irritability not contx) I kept her past the 2 hour observation time even though she hadn't changed her cervix. I did it because I had a feeling something was going on with her but I was happy because she was so much fun.

She would say something crass and I would tease her. Then she would start to get mad at me and I would tell her to go home if she didn't like it, then we would laugh.

Her doctor was an *** and wouldn't come in to assess her although she was spiking a temp and cramping. He wouldn't give me an order for antibiotics because he wanted to send her home. I checked her right before I left and she was still 2-3, however the babies head was well applied to the cervix and very low and some how, I don't know how... after all I'm only a nurse, her water bag broke while I was checking her. It couldn't have been my doing as breaking a water bag is out of the scope of practice for an RN... :rotfl:

We got her epidural, hung her antibiotic (which the doctor was now willing to give seeing as how there was no excuse to send her home) and she was set to go. Anyhow the next shift couldn't stand her but she delivered 2 hours after I left and the next day I had a card and nice little present in my mailbox from her.

Signed "thanks for the laughs -Kate"

So my point of telling this little story? As a nurse you are what ever the patient needs you to be (within reason of course). Not all are there for a spiritual experience but all of them do much better when they feel a connection with their nurse.

Dixiedi , I think you and I would get along great.

I had a patient the other day that was very direct. it was her 4th baby and she was 39 weeks. I came in and introduced myself, explained what and why I was going to do. She stopped me before I finished and said.

"Cut the crap I'm here to deliver a baby and your here to give me pain medicine and call the doctor to come in and catch it! now shut up and check my cervix instead of talking about it".

Sadly when I checked her she was only 2-3 cm (which she had been for a month) and wasn't contracting very much, but she had such a confidence about her and was miserably uncomfortable with some uterine cramps (just irritability not contx) I kept her past the 2 hour observation time even though she hadn't changed her cervix. I did it because I had a feeling something was going on with her but I was happy because she was so much fun.

She would say something crass and I would tease her. Then she would start to get mad at me and I would tell her to go home if she didn't like it, then we would laugh.

Her doctor was an *** and wouldn't come in to assess her although she was spiking a temp and cramping. He wouldn't give me an order for antibiotics because he wanted to send her home. I checked her right before I left and she was still 2-3, however the babies head was well applied to the cervix and very low and some how, I don't know how... after all I'm only a nurse, her water bag broke while I was checking her. It couldn't have been my doing as breaking a water bag is out of the scope of practice for an RN... :rotfl:

We got her epidural, hung her antibiotic (which the doctor was now willing to give seeing as how there was no excuse to send her home) and she was set to go. Anyhow the next shift couldn't stand her but she delivered 2 hours after I left and the next day I had a card and nice little present in my mailbox from her.

Signed "thanks for the laughs -Kate"

So my point of telling this little story? As a nurse you are what ever the patient needs you to be (within reason of course). Not all are there for a spiritual experience but all of them do much better when they feel a connection with their nurse.

A nurse would never break the bank. What kind of bank? hehehe Loved the story and admire you for your work. There are many more women who prefer working with men. Anybody who thinks L&D isn't more work for momma than for the nursing staff aint been there often enough! LOL

Dayray, you sound like the kind of L&D nurse I would love! Keep on keeping on!

My ex-wife had a male classmate during nurse midwifery school. Apparently he did fine. Males shouldn't have any trouble in this area as they are used to catching footballs. :rotfl:

Can i ask one question? why does our profession differenciate "a male nurse" from everyother nurse? doctor or lawyers do not say a female attorney or a female doctor or vis versa, so can i reiterate my point, a nurse is a nurse is a nurse whether male, female or both so please start from within our profession to educate nurses and the public to stop using the term male nurse thank you nec

Can i ask one question? why does our profession differenciate "a male nurse" from everyother nurse? doctor or lawyers do not say a female attorney or a female doctor or vis versa, so can i reiterate my point, a nurse is a nurse is a nurse whether male, female or both so please start from within our profession to educate nurses and the public to stop using the term male nurse thank you nec

I have heard many people refer t their dcotor as "a female doctor" and I've heard the same in reference to female lawyers. It was less than a generation ago that a man in nursing was a true rarety, same with women in law and medicine (though female doctors have been gaining in numbers for more than this one generation).

It's not a sexist thing, it's simply noting that there are differences between the genders that make a nurse/doctor/lawyer more/less desirable than the other to some people.

I, for one, enjoy working with guys. The conversation is so much more diversified than when working with a typical group of women.

My ex-wife had a male classmate during nurse midwifery school. Apparently he did fine. Males shouldn't have any trouble in this area as they are used to catching footballs. :rotfl:

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Dayray, thank you for your insightful post. I would rather had a great RN than a lousy RN at my birth - gender has nothing to do with it.

Birth is such a miraculous event, and it's a shame that men are usually excluded from this event unless they are the father (or some other relative) and the "male doctor". :)

I agree to some extent that birth is a bonding event among women. In the case of hospital births, the atmosphere and general dynamics are different. Birth has become very "medicalized." I attended a delivery last year where I really felt like I was the 5th wheel. The mom requested an early epidural (I do support her choice), but for the entire afternoon, I had to remind the mom that she was in labor. There was no talk of the fact that she was going to have a baby. She just spent the afternoon going through fashion magazines with her friends, and there was no talk of the baby. Although they were happy when the baby arrived, I found it very sad that it all had been so sterile and medicalized.

It is very different if one is attending a home birth. In this situation, it's very helpful to have someone who understands birth, who has been there and can be intuitve to a woman's needs. The focus is on childbirth, the act of bringing a new life into the world is the forethought on everyone's minds.

Dayray, it sounds like you are an awesome nurse. It's great that you are the type of nurse who knows his business and has a true love for the field. :)

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