Got called to HR...what fun!

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Ok, so this happend like 6 months ago, and I am still not over it. So I am going to vent, and would love to hear others opinions on it.

I used to work day shift (moved to nights after the infamous HR incident). We work well together on our unit, or so I thought. The charge nurse and another nurse and I are friends, who socialize outside of work. Apparently, this did not sit well with some people.

One day, the charge nurse was called to HR. She was freaking out (because usually, its not a good thing to be called down there). She came back devestated. The next day, the other nurse was called down there. So I knew that it was only a matter of time before it was my turn.

So I jumped the gun. I called down to HR and asked them when it was my turn. The HR rep was suprised (to say the least). She said that yes, she DID need to see me, probably around 4PM or so. Well there was no way that I was going to sit and worry about it for 8 hours, so I said that 4PM wouldnt work for me. She called back and said I could come down immediately.

So I get down there, and my manager and the unit manager are there with the HR rep. Apparently, "several" staff members (3 or 4) had stated that they wanted to be transferred off our unit because of certain staff members. So according to HR, they did a "random" interview of staff members, asking if the staff on our unit practiced our hospital values (integrity, compassion, accountability, respect and excellence).

Anyways, according to HR, 70 percent of the people interviewed, stated that I did not practice these values. Among the accusations were: I am unprofessional, I treat doctors rudely, Im mean, I play on the internet, I make fun of patients, Im not a team player, and I dont respect LVN's or CNA's.

So I try to remain calm and I ask the HR rep, "Can you give me some instances of when these so called incidents occured?"

Her reply, "Im not going to give you that information."

I say, "Ok...so you say that 70% of my coworkers have named me as a problem. How many people did you interview?"

Her reply, "im not going to give you that information."

I asked her, "How am I supposed to address these issues if I am not given specifics?" Her reply was "You just need to know that these are the perceptions of your coworkers."

The meeting went down hill from there. And yes, I am ashamed to admit it, but I cried.

What I found ironic was the fact that the HR rep was told that I was "an excellent nurse". I looked her in the eye and said, "Really? How can I be an excellent nurse when I make fun of patients, dont respect my coworkers or doctors, play on the internet, and am mean?"

She didn't have much of a reply to that one.

Then the manager states that I needed to show immediate improvement or it would be grounds for termination. She then REPEATS the statement and I look at her and say, "You already told me that. I consider what you now saying as a threat."

Then they told me that if I mentioned it to anyone, I would be fired.

So after I stewed about it for several days, I decided to transfer to nights. It was obvious that we needed to break things up a bit. And get this....since transfering, I have received numerous compliments from my coworkers stating how much they enjoy working with me because Im such a "team player" and so "helpful." And Ive had 3 or 4 people ask me to come back to days because they "miss me."

My manager actually acknowledged the compliments and said "Good job." I replied, "Really? Thanks. You know what? Im acting EXACTLY like I did when I worked days. What does that tell you?"

Anyways.....I know I sound cynical. I still get PO'd when I think about it, much less type it all out. As mouthy as I was, Im suprised they didn't fire me.

Anyways, just wanted to get it off my chest.....ahhhhh....I feel better now!

Specializes in cardiac/critical care/ informatics.

What is sad that this happens to a lot of us. It has happened to me, I was forced off the unit. I was told find another place in the network or you will be fired. Luckily I do have some connections, and 3 years later I am in a management type position and doing quite well! Things do happen for a reason, you just don't see it at first.

I was told the same thing " don't talk about it" If it is on the up and up then there should not be any reason you can't talk about it. IMHO

I am going 2nd and 3rd the advice of op's and say get another job.

I have seen this tactic before, and I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you what is REALLY going on.

First, HR can't give you specifics because there probably aren't any, and "survey" probably wasn't done either.

They are being vague b/c they are not going to back themselves into a corner...they are going to continue to critique you in ways that you cannot possibly improve by stating you have to change the "perception others have of you", "you need to get along better with your co-workers", or "be more professional".

They are setting you up, so I would start looking for another job at another facility.

Been there, done that, seen it, and it's a game that is almost impossible to win.

I couldn't agree more. For whatever reason, they want you gone, it sounds like to me. I am so angry reading this, since it happened once to me. I searched my heart and tried to figure out what I was doing wrong, I tried sooooo hard to correct my behavior and change my evil ways. I journaled, I had counseling, for God's sake!!! ( At least it was free, through EAP.) I let those evil B's run up my BP, stress my body and my relationships, and damn near ruin me, until finally they let me go because I hadn't changed enough and couldn't walk on water indefinitely. And through it all, I was the same very good, diligent, dedicated, skilled nurse and kind, giving person that I had been before they tormented me.

I forgive them, as the Bible says to do that. If I saw them begging for a cup of cold water in prison, I might spill it right in front of them. Maybe that's not practicing the true spirit of Christianity but that's how I feel right now.

They might be jealous of you, might want a great night nurse, might want your job for a friend.

Their approach is so absolutely slimey, I am glad I don't know them, as I'd be tempted to say a few choice words to them. They are such total vermin. An honest person would tell you exactly what you were doing wrong and how they want you to correct it.

I really hope you run this by a lawyer to see if you have any legal recourse. And I pray you will be able to keep safe from these vultures and maybe find a better work situation, if you think you should leave. It won't hurt to maybe pick up a PRN or Agency spot now, just in case.

After 40 years in nursing, I have learned to keep my locker clean out, my cell phone charged, and my purse with my car keys is always less than 5 minutes away. If I am treated bad by others/hospital, I will pick up my purse and leave. People don't have to be treated like criminal just because they work for a unethical company. Go get your purse and walk out! You don't even need to give a two week notice, anywhere. A two week notice is just a courtesy. If you must work, call another hospital on your way out the door.

Sorry for what u have been going through. One thing I have learnt is never go o a HR or NM meeting alone. If u have a union , bring a rep, if not, bring anyone. They do not have to participate,but just witness the meeting. If u can not get someone at that time, request the meeting be delayed until u can. Even if u bring an adult from outside. They can not deny this. You have a right to a witness or rep.

Try always to be calm and concise in your speaking in a meeting like this. The first one that raises their voice , usually looses. Ask for facts, and do not sign anything until u can read it well and agree with what it says.

Good luck and see what happens. When woman work together,things get snitty. I bet ya,they have nothing on you, someone was pms ing and you got served on a platter because of that. Sad but true in many cases.

My boss told me I could not bring my husband, even though I had a right to have a witness. She probably lied. As for your remark about women being snitty, I reply that there are plenty of evil men in the workplace, too. I've had horrible and wonderful of both genders in the workplace.

Specializes in Home Health, Geriatrics.
after 40 years in nursing, i have learned to keep my locker clean out, my cell phone charged, and my purse with my car keys is always less than 5 minutes away. if i am treated bad by others/hospital, i will pick up my purse and leave. people don't have to be treated like criminal just because they work for a unethical company. go get your purse and walk out! you don't even need to give a two week notice, anywhere. a two week notice is just a courtesy. if you must work, call another hospital on your way out the door.

this might work in some areas, but where i live, all of the hospitals and ninety percent of the doctor's offices are owned by one corporation. you would have to drive 60 plus miles to get to another hospital owned by this corporation and even as we speak, they are trying to buy into the outlying hospitals. their policy is if you quit, you cannot be rehired - ever. i used to work for them many years ago as a new nurse. i left on good terms but wouldn't work there for anything. does anyone see a pattern with the way nurses are treated? what can be done where all nurses unite for better working conditions? the big corporations are getting away with this, because the nursing schools continue to produce more nurses and the newbies, bless their hearts, jump at the opportunity to work at a hospital. when they realize what's happening and want to leave, more new students will take their place. it's reprehensible that we as professionals have to deal with intolerable working conditions. :o

Bingo.

Nursing eats its elders, not its young.

After 40 years in nursing, I have learned to keep my locker clean out, my cell phone charged, and my purse with my car keys is always less than 5 minutes away. If I am treated bad by others/hospital, I will pick up my purse and leave. People don't have to be treated like criminal just because they work for a unethical company. Go get your purse and walk out! You don't even need to give a two week notice, anywhere. A two week notice is just a courtesy. If you must work, call another hospital on your way out the door.

I had a good laugh envisioning the clean locker, charged cell phone, and purse at the ready. You go, Baby!!

The only troubles are: One just cannot quit q time the job goes sour, especially if living in a small community without very many places to work. Also, if you need the income and the insurance and are even earning a real pension (not just deferred comp/401k but a real pension that requires you to be there a certain length of time to earn it. Also, if you have health issues and can't run those long halls, be on your feet a lot, lift like you used to, and so on, you can't just walk away every time something goes wrong. Sure, we want to and maybe even ought to say the H with the pension and insurance and the new job and just get out, even if we have to become day laborers or go clean toilets/flip burgers. Hell, we'd probably be happier but it would be a darned tough adjustment. Probably not really harder than having to KA or ES every shift. So maybe the OP can survive long enough on graves to figure out what her next step ought to be and/or maybe her enemies will depart and get out of her life and she'll best them that way.

See it now - the getaway car, LOL.

Hindsight being 20/20, this is what you do if this ever happens again, OR you could still do it now. When the "HR" rep stated that a survey was conducted and specefic complaints were levied against you, but couldn't or wouldn't provide specifics. Your response should have been, "well maybe my attorney can get that from you".

I work in HR and that is NOT how it goes. As an advocate for employees and the company, we are supposed to be neutral and provide nothing but the facts. Intimidation was used during your conference to quell whatever it was that was making someone on your floor feel uncomfortable. Specific instances should have been provided to you and should not have been accumulated and handed to you all at once. They should have addressed them with you AS THEY HAPPEN!! I'm appalled.

If you want to persue this, request to see your employement file. You have a right to see your own file. If they refuse, ask them why. If they tell you it's co. policy, ask to see the policy. (They won't have one). If they still refuse, just say okay and have your attorney request it. Bet they won't say no to him/her.

This burns me up. I wish you all the best and I'm sorry you have a dumb a** for an HR rep. :angryfire

OK, but what does she do after she gets this information? Even if she beats them for now, there's the possibility of the next round. And if there something an attorney can really do? Is there a website we can go to re: HR law? Thanks.

There are attorneys who specialize in employment law.

http://www.employmentlawfirms.com/

I'm too laughing at the visual of a get-away-car :lol2:

I can say from experience that when the handwriting's on the wall like this, it's time to go. Almost no one wins in such a toxic environment........best just to cut your losses and move on.

Best of luck to you.

Great advice.

Bingo.

Nursing eats its elders, not its young.

So true, so true!

The young nurses are treated as simple appetizers, but the "seasoned" (no pun intended) nurses are marinated and prepped as the main course.

Specializes in med/surg, TELE,CM, clinica[ documentation.

I had an experience a few months ago, where I was called into my managers office "for a talk". She told me one of my co-workers was accusing me of using profanity and punching a wall. This co-worker went to the director and that is why my manager had to talk to me. She told me they were worried about me and did I need psychological help and some time off. I wanted to know who acused me and she wouldn't say. She also said that if a patient would have heard me and seen me punch the wall, I would be fired. I asked her if I was fired? She said no.I asked her if I was getting written up--she said she didn't know. She said the director was very fair so lets see what she says. Two days later I was called in for a meeting with my manger, the director and a lady from personnel. The result: I was sent home from work until I was declared mentally stable by a social worker, or shrink! I ended up out of work for a month and using my vacation because no one would sign me out on disability. I was crushed. They promised me a new position on another floor and I am still waiting. I went to a lawyer and he wanted $1500 to take my case--he felt I didn't have one because I wasn't fired. What about pain and anguish? I still have nightmares about it and I think I might have PTSD. I do not trust my manger or co-workers. I have worked for this facility for > 20 years. All I ask myself is why? why did this happen? I don't want to resign because I owe tuition service. I have been an RN a little over 2 years , before that I was a med tech. Anyone have any suggestions? I know I am a great nurse, my patients love me. I'm having trouble getting past this.:madface::o:crying2::scrying::imbar

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