California's Nurse-to-patient Ratio Law -- Update

Peeps Mcarthur · Jun 25, 2002

That's a great idea!

Come to think of it, there are some routine procedures like intubating and doing cut-downs that we could be using aids for.:chuckle

Gomer,

You're opposed to someone getting 1/2 thier income while thier incapacitated? You don't think an employer has an obligation to an employee who has an obligation to the employer? That seems like a one-way street.(very administrative of you)

Pay it in taxes huh.........................Can anyone else see a....... LOOPHOLE!.....I hate to assume though I can't see why history would not repeat itself. I really don't think the poor billion dollar corporation will actualy end up with the bill. If they do though, they have an OBLIGATION to that employee to provide thier livelyhood while they are employed with them.

Does your employer,in fact, take action on your behalf when you request something........anything?

Jt,

You would think those reasons would be obviouse............If you look at the archive on the CNA site alone you will see nothing unreasonable in the way of "demands". Why won't these people see "the light".

You'll notice that my thread "why not union" has had no definitive opposing views except for the ones that you offered.

They must believe what the hospitals tell them.

It would seem that those hospitals that were forced to implement staffing ratios did not have to turn the lights out and shut the place down after all. :rolleyes: .............Somebody's missing a bonus this year though...... :bluecry1:

NrsKaren,

Thanks for the post. I had been on the site just yesterday and I don't remember seeing that.

I'm not shocked though. I think we can expect more of the same "avoidence" of the issues strategies.

-jt · Jun 25, 2002

They must believe what the hospitals tell them.>

Yes very interesting. I hadnt noticed that. I'll have to check back in on this thread in a few days & see what other responses you get. Im on my way to Philadelphia right now for the 2nd annual convention of the United American Nurses - the new national RN labor union. I think Ill ask a few of my fellow delegates from around the country for their thoughts on this later this evening.

-jt · Jun 29, 2002

you mean the administrators? they see it - theyre just trying to block it out - like a vampire does at sunrise - because to look directly at the light would mean loss of power & control.

If you mean why wont the nurses see the light - maybe because fear can be a potent paralyzing & blinding agent.

Peeps Mcarthur · Jun 29, 2002

If you mean why wont the nurses see the light - maybe because fear can be a potent paralyzing & blinding agent

I think it's just easier to ....................well, take the easy way out.

No change

Same routine

Nm's pretend to like you

Suits give you a cookie voucher once a year that your too understaffed to use and tell you they wish they could give you a raise but it's just not in the budget(since they got a real good one)

tonicareer · Jun 30, 2002

who thinks the nursing shortage is a hoax? i know the teacher shortage is a hoax. is the public being lied to?

fiestynurse · Jun 30, 2002

Nursing Shortage a Hoax?! I don't think so. It has been looming for quite awhile. Many think the nursing shortage of the early 80s never really went away. I became a nurse in 1978 and I can remember whole hospital units shutting down because of lack of nurses. That crisis was temporarily remedied with the development of 2 yr ADN programs and the hiring of more unlicensed workers. Expect the current nursing situation to get worse over the next 10 years. We have an increase demand for nurses and an aging nursing population. The average age of a nurse is 45.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/05/07/nursing.shortage/

Peeps Mcarthur · Jun 30, 2002

You have a demand that's true, but the supply is more than adequate.

There are PLENTY of licensed nurses..........just not enough that will put up with management's shennanigans.

The shortage is a hoax, and the hospital system wants you to believe that they would not have to treat nurses this way...............if they only were able to hire more staff.

Poor suits:sniff: ........They just can't imagine what is driving those licensed nurses away:confused:

Oh well.........MANDATORY OVERTIME FOR EVERYBODY!! :devil:

SandyLV · Jun 30, 2002

WOW!!!

I think I"ll just become a waitress.....

I'll have to deal with big time jerks.....but at least they'll be drunk and you can kick them out at the end of the night.....:chuckle

Peeps Mcarthur · Jun 30, 2002

Same deal if you go ER duty.

No tips though:o

fedupnurse · Jun 30, 2002

How about a salary cap for these grossly overpaid executives??? That'll provide enough money to staff appropriately. If they had done that all along, we wouldn't be in this mess now!! Perhaps they should figure out how much money they have spent on these consultants that destroy working environments!! I am so sick and tired of hearing these millionaires say "we don't have enough money in the budget to...". If they were paid a reasonable salary, they would!

I am off my soapbox now!

Jay Levan · Jun 30, 2002

Originally posted by Gomer
Darn if I can answer your questions...I don't belong (and never will) to a union. Maybe you can find the answer(s) on the CNA website. (That's where I got my information)

surely you jest,? you profer advice and opine that Unions aren't any help, but are unwilling to leave enough contact info( e-mail, private messaging?) Not very convicted are you (G)et (O)ut (O)f (M)y (E)mergency ®oom?? :cool:

Peeps Mcarthur · Jun 30, 2002

Ya know, I really expected some nurses or outside observers to pipe in with a news article to go with a personal experience or something that would show a reason NOT to go union.

So far the promanagement types have not posted ANYTHING on my "why not union" thread.

When there is silence on one side of an argument, someone has usualy just won it.