BSN is a joke

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I am a nurse at a major hospital where I have worked over a year after gaining my ASN. I have returned to get my BSN. What I'm not understanding is why there is such an ENORMOUS disconnect between what I do at work and the class work I need to do. It doesn'y apply at all. I have to take family care classes and informatics with very little practical application. I have to memorize all the rules of APA. My patients don't care if I can wrote a wonderful APA formatted paper. They just don't. It's like there is no appreciation in BSN education for what nursing is really about. At no time will I EVER do a CFIM on my patient or a PEEK readiness assessment. Get real. Where is the disconnect? Everyone I talk to say's the same thing about their BSN program, that it is completely useless. Who decided that nurses needed extensive training in social work and paper formatting?!?! I don't deal with social work. I have a team of social workers for that. At no time will I ever be in a patients home trying to improve the communication between family members ect. There are family counselors ect for that. It isn't my job! Yet here I am getting trained in areas I have no interest in, and will never ever use in my career. And for what? So I can say I have 3 letters behind my name and the school and hospital can make more money? Its a joke. I'm learning nothing of value. I would drop out and find a new school, but everyone I talk to has the same opinion about where ever they went. Basically healthcare has become obsessed with accolades, but forgot that those accolades were supposed to represent a level of expertise.

Why is there such an enormous disconnect between real life nursing and nursing education??!?!?

Once again, you seem to be a little defensive. On a public forum, where much discussion about this topic has taken place, with Bostonfnp a major contributor, this is not an inappropriate question to ask. I am interested in the public discussion on this thread. You appear to be uncomfortable with my question, as does Bostonfnp, hence trying to make it into "my problem." But that is not the issue here. Again, present the information publicly, so we can be informed and can discuss it - or is there a reason that this is not desired?

I'm "uncomfortable" with your question because it has a distinctly passive-aggressive flavor to it. Someone who was sincerely, honestly interested in "discussion about this topic" would be carefully, closely reading the studies, which are widely and freely available, and looking for data or flaws in the studies that you could use to support your position. That would be "discussing the topic." Instead, you just keep repeatedly demanding that Boston explain to you what the studies say, and dismiss whatever Boston does post as not having answered your question.

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I'm "uncomfortable" with your question because it has a distinctly passive-aggressive flavor to it. Someone who was sincerely, honestly interested in "discussion about this topic" would be carefully, closely reading the studies, which are widely and freely available, and looking for data or flaws in the studies that you could use to support your position. That would be "discussing the topic." Instead, you just keep repeatedly demanding that Boston explain to you what the studies say, and dismiss whatever Boston does post as not having answered your question.

You appear to be tying to divert attention from my question.

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You appear to be tying to divert attention from my question.

No worries about that, since you keep repeating it every few posts.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
You haven't mentioned the specific outcomes of the studies that I asked you about earlier. If these are the major studies, why didn't you state what the specific outcomes were?

Sure I did look at the text you quoted. Also this information is available in every abstract under the heading "Main Outcome Measures". As above, in the case of the first two studies the outcomes measures were morality and failure to rescue, in the latter study it was mortality and 30-day readmission rates.

Did you not understand what outcomes are?

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Did you not understand what outcomes are?

I'm thinking she doesn't. Because she keeps insisting that you didn't specify what the specific outcomes were that were measured, and it's right there in the first sentence of the text of the studies that you quoted.

Susie, you do understand that "outcomes" are not the same as "results" or "conclusions," yes?

Am I the only one seeing the irony in the turn this conversation has taken?

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Sure I did look at the text you quoted. Also this information is available in every abstract under the heading "Main Outcome Measures". As above, in the case of the first two studies the outcomes measures were morality and failure to rescue, in the latter study it was mortality and 30-day readmission rates.

Did you not understand what outcomes are?

Which text are you referring to my quoting? I didn't quote any text. Do you mean your post?

I asked for specific outcomes measured. A more complete description than you provided, as it would have been described in the study. I also asked for specifics on how the outcomes were measured.

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Specializes in Med-Tele; ED; ICU.

It is noteworthy that two of the most articulate posters on this site over the last several years - BostonFNP and llg - are also two of the more highly educated.

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Susie, you do understand that "outcomes" are not the same as "results" or "conclusions," yes?

Am I the only one seeing the irony in the turn this conversation has taken?

Yes, I understand the difference, and I know that in an earlier post I spoke about both within the same paragraph, so I can see how this caused confusion.

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It is noteworthy that two of the most articulate posters on this site over the last several years - BostonFNP and llg - are also two of the more highly educated.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion as every poster on this site is.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
Which text are you referring to my quoting? I didn't quote any text. Do you mean your post?

I asked for specific outcomes measured. A more complete description than you provided, as it would have been described in the study. I also asked for specifics on how the outcomes were measured.

You quoted my post. That is what I am referring to. It was right there above your post.

I gave you specific outcomes measured. What is more descriptive than mortality and failure to rescue ? They are established healthcare quality measures. I will try to be more clear: mortality means death and failure to rescue means death after a treatable condition. I can define how they are measured too: the patient is dead.

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You quoted my post. That is what I am referring to. It was right there above your post.

I gave you specific outcomes measured. What is more descriptive than mortality and failure to rescue ? They are established healthcare quality measures. I will try to be more clear: mortality means death and failure to rescue means death after a treatable condition. I can define how they are measured too: the patient is dead.

Was more information provided in the studies than you have provided?

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Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
Was more information provided in the studies than you have provided?

I'm sure there is, because BostonFNP did not cut and paste the text in its entirety. You can access them online and read them.

This is seriously a weird conversation.

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