Any Success with Dr. Budwig tx for cancer

wenron · Mar 18, 2004

Excuse me Kevin...I've never told my patient's there is a better way. But, I am a patient advocate.

First, the article you posted: I've seen it before, written by a man named Tim Bolen. Mr Bolen and I have actually corresponded, and in that correspondence, he threatened me physically. He is a huge supporter of the theories of one Hulda Clark (you may look her up on quackwatch, as well). She has postulated that the cause of ALL cancers, as well as AIDS and a number of other diseases is a liver fluke. She claims that if a cancer patient will come to her clinic in Mexico, she can cure them of cancer, no matter how advanced (for a substantial fee, of course).
Next, Barrett does not think all chiropractors are quacks, but there are a goodly number of them who are. They believe that the cause of ALL disease (including cancer, diabetes, and others) is malalignment of the spine, and of course only THEY can cure the ill.
There is a great deal of quackery out there, but Barrett isn't part of it. He makes the entirely reasonable request that if you believe you have a magic cure for anything, demonstrate it. Show, in a controlled study, that your cure is better than what is out there now. If you don't want to submit your cure to a study, well, there must be a reason.
You can choose to believe anything you want, but if you try to convince your patients that "you know a better way," then you are violating the ethics of nursing practice (and may be practicing medicine without a license). Don't reject everything, but at least have some standards of credibility.
Kevin McHugh

wenron · Mar 18, 2004

KM,

wait until you have a doctor misdiagnose you several times and perform surgeries that didn't help....and nobody cares about studies at that point do they??. My skin cancer was diagnosed as a "pimple" and it went on for 6 months. Thank God I switched Doctor's!!!

Would it then be too much to ask "Bev" to submit to a physical, by a physican of repute? Would it be too much to ask for verification of her pre-treatment diagnosis? Is there any evidence that the diet she describes is what put cancer in remission, or was she receiving other treatments at the time?
Further, she says there are people who are "cancer free" after the treatment. Would it be asking too much to produce these people, along with some verifiable evidence of the presence of cancer before the treatment?
If it works so well, why isn't there a study? Why aren't the oncologists you are working with demanding it be studied? Or are they evil agents of the demon pharmaceutical companies, as well?
KM

BabyRN2Be · Mar 18, 2004

I know that Kevin has covered this, but Dr. Barrett doesn't state that ALL chiropractors are quacks. He does state something like, "If one claims to cure something that is not related to the body part treated, it's suspect." For example, I had a chiropractor tell me that his treatments could cure my endometriosis. I saw him for a while before my insurance terminated his coverage, he did wonders for my back, but did nothing for my headaches and the endometriosis wasn't helped.

I'd have a tendency to agree with Dr. Barrett's statement.

And I highly agree, if he did have a cancer cure, it would be mainstream. It would be unethical for "big pharmaceutical" companies to withhold a proven cancer treatment.

wenron · Mar 18, 2004

KM,

you ask me why aren't oncologist's working with me? For what? I just found out about this CC/FO yesterday for goodness sake! I wanted to start off by asking any nurses if they'd seen postive or unsuccess....remember?? But, like I said, if 50 people write me with Stage IV cancers and now they're in remission....you bet I'll ask for their records and start speaking out LOUD...and until then I won't encourage it to my patients at all. I always respect my patients choice and their rights...and the Doctors for that matter.

Really KM... this is cottage cheese and FlaxOil, it's not poison. If anything, this would give a malnurished ct. some added protein.

KM,
wait until you have a doctor misdiagnose you several times and perform surgeries that didn't help....and nobody cares about studies at that point do they??. My skin cancer was diagnosed as a "pimple" and it went on for 6 months. Thank God I switched Doctor's!!!

wenron · Mar 18, 2004

Again I say....We have Cigarrettes that have a warning on the label that they cause cancer...and they are not pulled off the shelf?? If that doesn't smack you all in the face, I don't know what will?

I know that Kevin has covered this, but Dr. Barrett doesn't state that ALL chiropractors are quacks. He does state something like, "If one claims to cure something that is not related to the body part treated, it's suspect." For example, I had a chiropractor tell me that his treatments could cure my endometriosis. I saw him for a while before my insurance terminated his coverage, he did wonders for my back, but did nothing for my headaches and the endometriosis wasn't helped.
I'd have a tendency to agree with Dr. Barrett's statement.
And I highly agree, if he did have a cancer cure, it would be mainstream. It would be unethical for "big pharmaceutical" companies to withhold a proven cancer treatment.

Jay-Jay, RN · Mar 18, 2004

After a brief pause for moderator discussion, we now return this thread for more argument...er, discussion!

Keep it within the TOS, folks! :)

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Mar 18, 2004

It depends on the cancer.

Basal cell cancer is almost always treated/cured without chemo/rad. While melanoma with mets is much more difficult to treat and cure with any treatment.

I have seen loads of holistic/herbal treatments, many of which claim to be cures for cancer. I do not see where they lengthen life in cases of serious carcinoma. And I know plenty of people that have gone on to long happy lives post chemo/rad.

I have also dealt with those that have gone to "holistic" practitioners, that have been poisoned and have died related to the so called cures. Or suffered miscarriages, and serious illness from them. A common "natural Chinese" elixir contains tylenol/alcohol and have sent patients into liver failure. Patients going to Mexico for treatment and coming back in liver failure or with heart damage, or with the skin burned off their arm, needing grafts (Doxirubicin, and other cardiotoxins/vesicants can be bought over the counter, there). Watching someone die of liver failure is not pleasant.

If you want to believe that it helps, that is fine for you. But for me, I will wait for more concrete proof.

PS. I am a 20 year survivor of colorectal ca. I also bought into the chiropractic for scoliosis deal - if I had to do it again, I would have had the surgery/brace for scoliosis.

psychomachia · Mar 18, 2004

Keep it within the TOS, folks!

guess that leaves me out...

wenron · Mar 18, 2004

I agree there is a lot of wack out there. But I'll bet that the number of FDA approved meds haved killed just as many.

And isn't it funny that alcohol and Tylenol have caused many deaths and they haven't been pulled?

I don't know that I believe the whole cottage cheese thing so fast either, but I will stil be willing to listen to folks.

I myself have not seen the deaths you talk about with holistic treatment and in my area, it's been wonderful. But, we all see things differently.

Thanks for sharing.

It depends on the cancer.
Basal cell cancer is almost always treated/cured without chemo/rad. While melanoma with mets is much more difficult to treat and cure with any treatment.
I have seen loads of holistic/herbal treatments, many of which claim to be cures for cancer. I do not see where they lengthen life in cases of serious carcinoma. And I know plenty of people that have gone on to long happy lives post chemo/rad.
I have also dealt with those that have gone to "holistic" practitioners, that have been poisoned and have died related to the so called cures. Or suffered miscarriages, and serious illness from them. A common "natural Chinese" elixir contains tylenol/alcohol and have sent patients into liver failure. Patients going to Mexico for treatment and coming back in liver failure or with heart damage, or with the skin burned off their arm, needing grafts (Doxirubicin, and other cardiotoxins/vesicants can be bought over the counter, there). Watching someone die of liver failure is not pleasant.
If you want to believe that it helps, that is fine for you. But for me, I will wait for more concrete proof.
PS. I am a 20 year survivor of colorectal ca. I also bought into the chiropractic for scoliosis deal - if I had to do it again, I would have had the surgery/brace for scoliosis.

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Mar 18, 2004

I myself have not seen the deaths you talk about with holistic treatment and in my area, it's been wonderful. But, we all see things differently.
Thanks for sharing.

I have worked Onco/BMT/HIV/Hospice for over 10 years.

You see a lot in ten years in those fields.

And you?????

dphrn · Mar 18, 2004

First, the article you posted: I've seen it before, written by a man named Tim Bolen. Mr Bolen and I have actually corresponded, and in that correspondence, he threatened me physically. He is a huge supporter of the theories of one Hulda Clark (you may look her up on quackwatch, as well). She has postulated that the cause of ALL cancers, as well as AIDS and a number of other diseases is a liver fluke. She claims that if a cancer patient will come to her clinic in Mexico, she can cure them of cancer, no matter how advanced (for a substantial fee, of course).
Kevin McHugh

My husband's mother and step-father drained their life savings to take him (step-father) to this clinic in Mexico. He was dead three months later.

ResearchRN · Mar 18, 2004

If you do a Medline search for the journal citation "Journal American College Nutrition December 2002;21(6):495-505" you get the following. Doesn't sound like the same article to me.

Omega-3 fatty acids in inflammation and autoimmune diseases.

Simopoulos AP.

The Center for Genetics, Nutrition and Health, Washington, DC 20009, USA. [email protected]

Among the fatty acids, it is the omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) which possess the most potent immunomodulatory activities, and among the omega-3 PUFA, those from fish oil-eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA)--are more biologically potent than alpha-linolenic acid (ALA). Some of the effects of omega-3 PUFA are brought about by modulation of the amount and types of eicosanoids made, and other effects are elicited by eicosanoid-independent mechanisms, including actions upon intracellular signaling pathways, transcription factor activity and gene expression. Animal experiments and clinical intervention studies indicate that omega-3 fatty acids have anti-inflammatory properties and, therefore, might be useful in the management of inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. Coronary heart disease, major depression, aging and cancer are characterized by an increased level of interleukin 1 (IL-1), a proinflammatory cytokine. Similarly, arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and lupus erythematosis are autoimmune diseases characterized by a high level of IL-1 and the proinflammatory leukotriene LTB(4) produced by omega-6 fatty acids. There have been a number of clinical trials assessing the benefits of dietary supplementation with fish oils in several inflammatory and autoimmune diseases in humans, including rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis, lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis and migraine headaches. Many of the placebo-controlled trials of fish oil in chronic inflammatory diseases reveal significant benefit, including decreased disease activity and a lowered use of anti-inflammatory drugs.

Journal American College Nutrition December 2002;21(6):495-505
"Two-Nutrient Cancer Breakthrough...
Decades ago, European research scientist Dr. Johanna Budwig, a six-time Nobel Award nominee, discovered a totally natural formula. It not only protects against the development of cancer, but fights existing cancer as well. People all over the world who were diagnosed with incurable cancer and sent home to die have greatly benefited from this research and went on to lead normal lives-- thanks to this amazing formula.
After 30 years of study, Dr. Budwig observed that the blood of seriously ill cancer patients was deficient in certain nutrients. It was the lack of these nutrients that allowed cancer cells to grow out of control.
By simply eating a combination of two natural and delicious foods not only can cancer be prevented -- but in case after case it was actually healed! "Symptoms of cancer, liver dysfunction, and diabetes were completely alleviated." Remarkably, what Dr. Budwig discovered was a totally natural way for eradicating cancer.
However, when she went to publish these results so that everyone could benefit -- she was blocked by drug manufacturers who stood to lose a lot of money. Since natural substances cannot be patented, drug companies won't make money by marketing them. For over 10 years now her methods have proved effective -- yet she is denied publication -- blocked by the giants who don't want you to read her words."