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It has been noticed that due to mass media and just general word of mouth that there is a HUGE number of people scrambling to get into nursing school any way they can. I just wanted to provide a little information for those of you who are considering it and dismiss some myths that you have probably heard.
However, if nursing is what you really want to do in your heart, this is not meant to discourage you, just to provide a realistic view of the current nursing trends.
#1 There will always be a job for you
This is not necessarily true unless you have the ability to relocate on a whim's notice, even then, no guarantees.
I am a new graduate RN and have many former classmates who live in the bay area of california. They are currently working as LVN's or not at all. Many of them are unable to find jobs, and I know that the bay area is not the only area that has this problem. It has taken me three months of job hunting to obtain employment, and I started searching for a job two months prior to graduation. By the way, it is not my dream job, it's a med-surg night shift every other weekend. I am actually a lucky one.
#2 You can work in a lot of different areas right away
Don't I wish! Some places will hire new graduate RN's in their dream area. But certain state regulations can vary. For example, in California there is a law that states a nurse must have a year of experience to even be hired in hospice. Some facilities require a year or more experience for specialty units. And you will probably be competing against other nurses for those sought-after positions.
Also, all those travel jobs that I know most pre-nursing students google (I know this, I did it too!) are reserved for experienced nurses, usually several years of experience is recommended if not required. You don't want to go onto a floor you're not familiar with and have a patient crash on you and not even know where the crash cart if or what the hospital protocol is.
#3 Nurses make really good money
They make average salary for as long as the schooling takes to complete. Most people who go the traditional route are going to realize that an associate's degree of nursing even takes four years to complete. 2 years prerequisites and applying, then another 2 years of nursing school. Same amount of time as the average bachelor's degree. The salary may be a bit more, but you are giving up your weekends, your nights, the typical mon-fri normal job life. If you plan on having a family, or if you want to take a weekend trip, it's not going to happen that often. The main part of the "shortage" anyway would be hospital med/surg nurses who are willing to work nights/weekends.
Even more so, many do not realize the emotional and physical exhaustion nursing brings. As an LVN, I have had MANY shifts where lunches did not happen, breaks did not happen, and going home and hitting the bed was all I wanted to do. Not every job is like this, but it happens. If your patient is dying it's not like you can leave the bedside to go eat an apple. Nursing school will give you a crash course in how much of a luxury sleep is in nursing.
#4 You can live anywhere (exotic place, whatever)
Each state has different licensing requirements as well as different "needs" for nurses. California right now, many graduates cannot find work. If you had the dream of moving to California after nursing school, it is not likely to happen because many hospitals are refusing to even look at candidates who are not locals, because they are even turning many locals away for jobs.
Also, if you planned on moving to another country, different countries have licensing requirements, and many of their nurses come here because the salary/cost of living ratio is better in many states.
#5 Nursing is a safe job
It is, if you work at an office job. You can get a back injury from lifting heavy patients (yes nurses lift their patients!) An injury from a patient, whether intentional or accidental. I have had a patient grab an insulin syringe from me and attempt to stab me with it. There are many precautions you can take to make the job safer, but the risks are still present.
I'm sure there are more myths out there, this is just a few of the one's that I see all the time. I actually believed them at one point too. Anyway, good luck to those of you out there who really want to be nurses!
Thank you Nicki!
I could not agree with you more! I am a new graduate RN. I live in NJ and I cannot find work! I graduated last May and got my license last July. I waited to look for work due to family circumstances, I have been looking for work since December and have had any luck. I have had 3 interviews with 1 hospital. The other 6 hospitals I applied to have had hiring freezes or are not hiring new graduates. It is terrible out there. It is so disappointing to make it through nursing school (which was hard to get into), pass boards and not find a job! I feel like it is only going to get worse, since now more programs are being opened up for potential nurses. Where does that leave us? I mean the nurses that graduated last year and this year?
It has been noticed that due to mass media and just general word of mouth that there is a HUGE number of people scrambling to get into nursing school any way they can. I just wanted to provide a little information for those of you who are considering it and dismiss some myths that you have probably heard.However, if nursing is what you really want to do in your heart, this is not meant to discourage you, just to provide a realistic view of the current nursing trends.
I'm sure there are more myths out there, this is just a few of the one's that I see all the time. I actually believed them at one point too. Anyway, good luck to those of you out there who really want to be nurses!
Thanks :-) I really want to be a nurse.
"There will always be a job for you" - That's never true, no matter what you go into. I don't think that deep down anyone really believes that. Your prospects might be a bit better than some other professions, depending of course on where you live, and how much competition there is for positions. I'm aware of all of that.
"You can work in a lot of different areas right away" - I imagine nursing is just like any other profession in that regard - you have to "pay your dues" first. I'm already paying them right now, even tho I'm not a nurse yet LOL
"Nurses make real good money" - Well, I guess it's all relative and where you are coming from. Someone who's already worked mandatory holidays, weekends, nights, all for $8 to $9 an hour, little or no benefits (that would be me) and schedule changes at the drop of a hat, well, nursing still looks pretty good. BTW - I haven't told too many people this - sometimes it pays not to appear to "want" something too much ;-) but being a weekend/night surgical nurse in a big hospital surgical dept. is something that I'd actually be very interested in doing. I already work weekends and nights ifor a big-city hospital anyhow right now. The job I have right now, while not medical or nursing, does not allow for "breaks" etc. so I'm already accustomed to not having them anyway. And I do the crash as soon as I get home thing already too. Maybe what I'm doing is actually good prep for being a nurse after all LOL
"You can live anywhere" - Aware of the differences there - I'm originally from the Dakotas - nursing demand is not as high there, and the nurse to patient ratio is way lower than the national average (yes, I do check these things out). So I don't plan on going back there any time soon, although I admit that to me, having both - a laid back rural-like life, *and* a nursing career - would be the best of both worlds. I am lucky in this regard as I live in Phoenix, AZ where nurse demand is very high, and so is nurse to patient ratio. Yes, you can live anywhere, but like anything, there are obviously trade-offs.
"Nursing is a safe job" - I've been around danger a good part of my life in my present work, and in the past have actually been physically threatened and had to deal with it at work (have you guessed what I do yet?? LOL). No, nursing is not a "safe job" - you should see some of the stuff that comes into the ER/Trauma at the hospital where I am employed.
I suppose there will be a certain amount of people who will sign on for nursing who will drop out because it wasn't what they expected, but I actually work around a lot of nurses, and am going into this with eyes wide open. I want to be one of them someday - that's how much I admire them and what they do. It's the ultimate compliment to them IMO.
Sounds like you have the ideal hospital to go work for! That is great! That is rare, always appreciate it.
I finally quit my 40 patient load SNF/rehab in NV and went to work for a small town (pop 817) SNF in California. I had worked there before through a registry and I never had more than 17 patients. They tell me CA passed a ratio law that allows no more than 27 pts per nurse. I can handle that. It won't be as nice as your future hospital but I won't be tearing my hair out and having nightmares at least. It will be 45 miles from home instead of the 60 to Reno.
I mentioned nurse to patient ratio and nurse demand in reference to how much they'll get paid and in hiring actually..... Nobody wants an unmanagable workload, but in those parts of the country where the nurse/patient ratio isn't bad, the salaries aren't very high either. Sort of a trade-off here - less stress but less $$$$ too. I wouldn't mind living in a place like Rapid City, SD in the Black Hills, but don't know if a nursing job there would really pay the bills. Most of what I know about nursing there is that it's women who supplement the family income and don't need to make a lot to begin with.
Here in Phoenix where I'm going to school, I've noticed that there are increased numbers of people from other professions in my classes, mostly real-estate and mortgage-writing, and I guess who can really blame them. The markets for both of those professions are basically "in the tank" here while health-care is booming. I don't begrudge any of them for wanting to get into something with more opportunities. But at the same time I think a lot of them are going to find out that nursing isn't quite what they expected. An ER nurse at the hospital I work at was telling me about a time when they got a homeless street person into the ER on a gurney and she was tugging one of his boots off and his entire foot came off. Turns out he was diabetic with no treatment and living on the streets here. That's just one example of what nurses here have to deal with, and I'm heads-up aware of it. I don't think a lot of these other guys who are job-market refugees are aware of it though - I hope they can hold on when they find out......
I mentioned nurse to patient ratio and nurse demand in reference to how much they'll get paid and in hiring actually..... Nobody wants an unmanagable workload, but in those parts of the country where the nurse/patient ratio isn't bad, the salaries aren't very high either. Sort of a trade-off here - less stress but less $$$$ too. I wouldn't mind living in a place like Rapid City, SD in the Black Hills, but don't know if a nursing job there would really pay the bills. Most of what I know about nursing there is that it's women who supplement the family income and don't need to make a lot to begin with.Here in Phoenix where I'm going to school, I've noticed that there are increased numbers of people from other professions in my classes, mostly real-estate and mortgage-writing, and I guess who can really blame them. The markets for both of those professions are basically "in the tank" here while health-care is booming. I don't begrudge any of them for wanting to get into something with more opportunities. But at the same time I think a lot of them are going to find out that nursing isn't quite what they expected. An ER nurse at the hospital I work at was telling me about a time when they got a homeless street person into the ER on a gurney and she was tugging one of his boots off and his entire foot came off. Turns out he was diabetic with no treatment and living on the streets here. That's just one example of what nurses here have to deal with, and I'm heads-up aware of it. I don't think a lot of these other guys who are job-market refugees are aware of it though - I hope they can hold on when they find out......
That is such a beautiful area, cost of living isn't bad at all there, you can google what the average nursing pay is in that area. My Dad was born and raised in the black hills, I had never been until this past year but I feel in love!! I couldn't handle winters their or I would love to move there.
That is such a beautiful area, cost of living isn't bad at all there, you can google what the average nursing pay is in that area. My Dad was born and raised in the black hills, I had never been until this past year but I feel in love!! I couldn't handle winters their or I would love to move there.
My dad and three brothers live in Hot Springs, SD in the Black Hills and I occasionally go back "home" to visit them, and yes I agree, it's beautiful there. Rapid City is the largest "big city" in the area and is not really all that big - big enough to have all you would need, but not the crime, pollution, etc. Got tired of the northern winters myself eventually - that's one reason I live in Phoenix AZ now. But it's nice here in Phoenix too in it's own way - if you can handle the summers here, the rest of the year more than makes up for it......
this is a great post - however, this is not the reason i decided to go to nursing school. i have wanted this for many years now but where i live (ne pa) there aren't a ton of schools nearby. while my children were small, i couldn't leave them and go to school full time, so here i am - waiting for my entrance test and hopefully will be accepted at the ripe young age of 46.
what gets me is this - i hear there are 45 seats in the school i chose and about 200 who test. the problem that i have is that the local unemployment office is talking people in to this course and paying for it. if nursing isn't in your heart then it's not for you. i'll be quite upset if i don't get in and someone who could care less does. this part doesn't seem fair at all :-(
thanks for the great points you noted. some of these people who are just planning on going to school for the myths you posted will realize that nursing is not for them.
kim in pa
Served over 10yrs in the military. I think I'll be okay. I try not to absorb too much negative energy. School is stressful enough without taking on someone else's views and generalizations.I know it's not going to be tea and roses. Just like I did grunt work in the beginning of my first career, I expect to start at the bottom again. Most of the people I'm in school with are on the same level of thinking. I have no clue what type of nursing I truly want to do. I'm open to what comes. I know where I'd like to end up, but I'm open to whatever road will get me there.
I feel the same way; It's hard enough (at times) staying super-optimistic now with the economy and the competition. I too was in the military and then UPS for many years and I am completely used to/at peace with starting at the bottom in the needed areas on the needed shifts. Just trying to keep my eye on the long-term. what I worry about most is just getting accepted next jan once my prereqs are completed..and the HESI...the personality style and learning practices portion of it is what makes me a little nervous to be perfectly honest. I KNOW this is what I was meant to do; just disapointed that I let 'life' guide me on other directions for so many years--but how tight of a personality box do we need to fit into is my concern...Obviously schools won't want an imbalanced student, but we are all so different and I guess it worries me because I feel like who are they to say whether or not I am a great candidate because I appear "too sensitive" or maybe "too tactile" for instance without meeting/interviewing me... I have little specific info yet as to what's on the hesi but just learned that those sections are on it. Does anyone else have this concern or am I just being overly worrisome? I also worry about no experience which is why I am going to start volunteering soon at the local hosptials to get at least some association of some kind right away whether its scrubbing floors ar anything else they want me to do...anyway, I truly hope all the best for all of you out there with the strong heart and passion for this. good luck...
My dad and three brothers live in Hot Springs, SD in the Black Hills and I occasionally go back "home" to visit them, and yes I agree, it's beautiful there. Rapid City is the largest "big city" in the area and is not really all that big - big enough to have all you would need, but not the crime, pollution, etc. Got tired of the northern winters myself eventually - that's one reason I live in Phoenix AZ now. But it's nice here in Phoenix too in it's own way - if you can handle the summers here, the rest of the year more than makes up for it......
Yea my dad and his brothers and sisters were raised in Deadwood and Lead, Spearfish was really pretty as well. Especially the canyon. I plan on visiting again so my husband can see since it is only 5 hours from where I live. When we planned on moving from WA I really wanted AZ in the Phoenix area, like outside in the burbs. or Scottsdale. My husband would not go for it. He wanted Colorado, but man I was finding such beautiful houses in gated communities for such good prices, well good for what we were used to paying. I guess it worked out though, I can barely handle the heat here so I have no idea how I would have survived in AZ LOL
Njitalgirl,
Don't be discouraged by age. I am 46. Got my LPN at 41 after trying to make a living cleaning houses and cooking at below minimum wage at times. I was a CNA in the 80's and gave my best, but felt it was too much for me. Never wanted to go back because of the heavy politics and horrible staffing. I loved my patients in all their imperfection. Well, after almost 20 years trying to make enough money to build my house and not getting near, I had to go back. But I remember a "nursing shortage" in the 80's too. And I remember the average age of nurses then was also 43-45. So things have not changed much statistically. I haven't found any studies on why, but I suspect more of the 20 somethings just can't handle the hardships of nursing and drop out quickly. I know about a third of my class did so, some even right before graduation, the last month. I think also, a person in her 40's has already learned to deal with the grosser things of life if she has had any kids at all and is just better equipped to deal with things. She's also learned to be more accepting- nobody is perfect and she is better able to deal with that. No situation is perfect and she has given up some unrealistic ideals.
~Mi Vida Loca~RN, ASN, RN
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First I have to say, you could not PAY me to live in CA. LOL:p
I see a lot of negative posts about nursing on this site, as a newbie reading, I have to admit, it's been quite depressing, I just told my husband today that I am worried. It seems that my idea of a great nurse and who I want to strive to be seems lost. Then I had to remember, this is a forum and it appears to have TONS or helpful information and resources, it's also a site composed of thousands of people and it's human nature to vent, to talk about the negative things, to get it out. So I try to remember that and as I read I try to not let it get me down and take away from my goals.
I decided in 2003 after being a SAHM mom with no more then a HS Diploma for 5 years that I wanted to go back to school. My first "dream" wasn't realistic for my changed lifestyle of settling down and having children, so I thought long and hard about what I wanted to do. First was a Social Worker but I knew I couldn't do it, well I could but I would end up in Jail and well know one can care for my kiddos like I can. Everyone told me to get into psychiatry, even psychiatrists themselves after some sessions would tell me that I really should consider getting into that field for children and teens. I couldn't do that either, I knew even though I might be good at it, it isn't for me. Like sith social services I would get far to attached and wouldn't be able to keep work at work. God forbid I ran into an abused child that my hands were tied on helping.
So I decided on nursing. Researching it a lot and talking to TONS of nurses in my numerous times at hospitals with my medical problems it seemed like it would be a perfect fit for me. Sure not all aspects will be ideal. But I have to believe the good will outweigh the bad. I started doing pre reqs, got on wait lists and now this Fall a total of 6 years later I will start the RN program. It wasn't without many hurdles and all out road blocks, but when I got my sights set on a goal I WILL meet it.
I am fortunate in that if it takes a while to find a job, we will be fine. my family doesn't NEED me to work. In fact I have a 2-3 week trip to Europe planned as a graduaton present from my husband.
I know like with all jobs it will not be a bed of roses and their will be obsticles and if I have to do grunt work and start at the bottom I will do it with pride. Why?? Because I worked damn hard to get to that point. Thankfully my local hospital that actually has 2 hospitals is a very good place to work for. Voted one of the best hospitals to work for. They have a 8-10 week orientation for new grads that is a general orientation. In the Day shift they have a 1:3 patient ratio, 1:4 for evening, and 1:4-5 for late night shift. They do SO MUCH for their employees. Special care units like ICU are less then that.
In all my life and I have worked in actual work places since I was 14 I have never NOT gotten a job that I set my eyes on. It might have taken a long time, but I eventually got it. If I have to be persistent but not over the top, to get a job at this hospital I will do it. I will show them that I have what it takes and I have the motivation and desire.
Ok I sort of got way off track there. HAHA. So anyway, times are tought right now, the economy is ad, it WILL pick back up. It's the natural cycle of this country and I am sure many other countries, this isnt the first recession we have had and it won't be the last.
Those of us that are actually starting nursing school right now have a min. of 2 years before we are even going to be looking for work. Those not yet accepted have any longer. The economy at this very moment doesn't apply to us really, we can't predict what it will be like in 2 years from now especially with a new president. But I believe it will get better.
I think above ANYTHING, to be a good Nurse you have to have the heart..... If you don't have the heart you should for sure find a job that you have the heart for. I wish everyone the best of luck and I hope you get out of all this what you hope to. If you come to realize this job is not for you, there is no shame in that, in fact it's admirable that you can recognize that and find something that suits you.
Please please please though don't just talk to people frustrated with nursing, talk to nurses who LOVE their job 70% of the time. People that can keep it real and tell you the bad but will also share with you all the rewarding wonderful aspects of the job.