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Not sure where to begin, I got into this program almost a year ago and have had 3 positive screenings for opiates, please don't come after me. Was curious what the ASBN will do about this, I'm willing to do whatever, I just need some reassurance here. This is my first time posting on this forum. I have read hours upon hours of topics on here, not hardly slept and just disgusted with myself. Thinking it would be better just to surrender my license then to face the board. Has anyone ever had to deal with being kicked out of monitoring? I am single and have no real family to help me and I'm gonna loose everything without a job. Thanks for reading. 

@Healer555 no I had hair test one week and peTH the next week. PeTH results came back quickly, but the hair test just came back today! Of course, all negative. I just didn't understand why it took so long on my hair follicle test! 

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Shorty4444 said:

@Healer555 no I had hair test one week and peTH the next week. PeTH results came back quickly, but the hair test just came back today! Of course, all negative. I just didn't understand why it took so long on my hair follicle test! 

I know I'm not doing anything I'm not supposed to but I worry about false positive tests. I worry about results even though I am taking nothing I'm not supposed to.  It's crazy 

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@Healer555 I know we will all be glad when this is over! One day at a time in the meantime. ?. Many prayers to us all LOL. 

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I have been on the MAOTP for 8+years... During those 8years I have not done illegal drugs,yet have had MANY positives-as I will get into. The first one was for AMP. Ieven in my using says I had done it,but it was by no means my drug of choice and I would not spend my money on it. After being reprimanded(and put back on step 1) I was jaded. The second time I tested positive for the same(AMP) it was sent to a lab(at my cost) and it did not show in the lab test. I guess it was my Zoloft throwing the false positive (as I'm told) and I was moved back to step 3(less restrictions). The 3rd time it said I was positive for THC. I don't smoke pot or use any cannabis products. Again after secondary tests it was found to be from bread or something stupid..one to #4 PCP.. now this one was crazy. They gave me the 12 panel cup test and it showed PCP,and in the nurses words "it was dark and immediate" I guess meaning it was of a high concentration. I have done many drugs in my life but I have never,NEVER saw or done PCP. After speaking to the director and having a showdown I told her "wasn't they guy in the news that ate that woman's neck and chest on PCP,so you think I am in here, trying to get a dose of methadone high on PCP and NOT EATING FACES?" Needless to say she dropped it after I put up such a stink about it. And now the last one. I tested positive for the breakdowns of what could be 2things-diluadid or codeine cough syrup.. now with this one it did not show on the cup at all but showed extremely high when sent out. How could that be? Anyway I was offered to pay for a hair test(380-550$) to prove myself and unfortunately I don't have it. I am disabled,husband is between jobs as his contract ren out, Christmas just passed and he was hit in my truck. So what am I supposed to do? I have no issues admitting when I am wrong. That's one of many things I had to learn when getting sober(the consequences of lying are often more detrimental than dealing with the issue head on, amongst other things) as I would only be hurting myself to lie. I worked very hard to get where I am, now I should just be "coasting on auto pilot" instead I am constantly worrying and anxious better yet, just outright scared.  I am angry about these as they affect my life, relationships,character and how others perceive me. Thankfully this time my freedom isn't at stake as it has been before-and even then it was crap. I had went into detox,got out,went to court and was ordered to come back weekly for testing/drugcourt. While in detox I was given Suboxone for a few days then switched to Subutex for almost 3 weeks... My 3rd week off Subutex I was still dropping dirty for the subtext,and trust me I was not out looking to buy Subutex (nor had I ever seen anyone looking for it) as I was on methadone by that point. Didn't Matter as I was told that even with my extremely low levels,I Must have done it during the time after detox... seriously...there are a few other instances where drug tests have failed me...during the last 12-13 years I know for a fact I have taken at (a minimum) 550tests,some 7panel up to 12-some in a cup(forgot the main manufacturer they use) and some sent to companies such as "LabCorp, complete lab and drug test,Quest diagnostics" and I'm sure some others but those are the main ones that FCMC and my rehab center uses in Columbus. The only thing I can recommend (as I have been disenchanted,bitter and jaded by the system) is to call around and see if your insurance may be able to order a hair follicle test with no out-of-pocket cost and if that doesn't work maybe see if you can get a doctor to order one as you will have a prescription for it-so no $... You can also see if you have a local "alcohol and mental health" service in your city. Here we have the ADAMH association which offers alcohol, addiction and mental health service to folks in the county. Weather this is for a job,court, addiction service or whatever -it comes down to you knowing the truth and not accepting it. See if there's a place like the one I described and if u cannot find anything call 211 and ask for free addiction/mental health service. They can do a more in-depth testing for like90days,so get on it!! These are my personal experiences. Tho there are many bad if you think Abt it 5 out of close to 600isnt bad I guess...there are things that I know for a fact cause false positives (Zoloft, Sudafed, Wellbutrin, Vyvanse and an antibiotic-cant remember the name) and some that I think could as I was taking them in combo when I was sick (Benadryl, Mucinex, Sudafed, Robitussin) so I feel your pain in not being believed BUT YOU MUST ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WILL...best of luck and I hope that my experiences bring you comfort knowing if nothing else your not alone and hopefully you can get someone to rally for you!! Prayers to you and your not alone...there's people who's lives have been ruined by these inaccuracies,but there's others who's lives have been saved as well...

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Random83 said:

I have been on the MAOTP for 8+years... During those 8years I have not done illegal drugs,yet have had MANY positives-as I will get into. The first one was for AMP. Ieven in my using says I had done it,but it was by no means my drug of choice and I would not spend my money on it. After being reprimanded(and put back on step 1) I was jaded. The second time I tested positive for the same(AMP) it was sent to a lab(at my cost) and it did not show in the lab test. I guess it was my Zoloft throwing the false positive (as I'm told) and I was moved back to step 3(less restrictions). The 3rd time it said I was positive for THC. I don't smoke pot or use any cannabis products. Again after secondary tests it was found to be from bread or something stupid..one to #4 PCP.. now this one was crazy. They gave me the 12 panel cup test and it showed PCP,and in the nurses words "it was dark and immediate" I guess meaning it was of a high concentration. I have done many drugs in my life but I have never,NEVER saw or done PCP. After speaking to the director and having a showdown I told her "wasn't they guy in the news that ate that woman's neck and chest on PCP,so you think I am in here, trying to get a dose of methadone high on PCP and NOT EATING FACES?" Needless to say she dropped it after I put up such a stink about it. And now the last one. I tested positive for the breakdowns of what could be 2things-diluadid or codeine cough syrup.. now with this one it did not show on the cup at all but showed extremely high when sent out. How could that be? Anyway I was offered to pay for a hair test(380-550$) to prove myself and unfortunately I don't have it. I am disabled,husband is between jobs as his contract ren out, Christmas just passed and he was hit in my truck. So what am I supposed to do? I have no issues admitting when I am wrong. That's one of many things I had to learn when getting sober(the consequences of lying are often more detrimental than dealing with the issue head on, amongst other things) as I would only be hurting myself to lie. I worked very hard to get where I am, now I should just be "coasting on auto pilot" instead I am constantly worrying and anxious better yet, just outright scared.  I am angry about these as they affect my life, relationships,character and how others perceive me. Thankfully this time my freedom isn't at stake as it has been before-and even then it was crap. I had went into detox,got out,went to court and was ordered to come back weekly for testing/drugcourt. While in detox I was given Suboxone for a few days then switched to Subutex for almost 3 weeks... My 3rd week off Subutex I was still dropping dirty for the subtext,and trust me I was not out looking to buy Subutex (nor had I ever seen anyone looking for it) as I was on methadone by that point. Didn't Matter as I was told that even with my extremely low levels,I Must have done it during the time after detox... seriously...there are a few other instances where drug tests have failed me...during the last 12-13 years I know for a fact I have taken at (a minimum) 550tests,some 7panel up to 12-some in a cup(forgot the main manufacturer they use) and some sent to companies such as "LabCorp, complete lab and drug test,Quest diagnostics" and I'm sure some others but those are the main ones that FCMC and my rehab center uses in Columbus. The only thing I can recommend (as I have been disenchanted,bitter and jaded by the system) is to call around and see if your insurance may be able to order a hair follicle test with no out-of-pocket cost and if that doesn't work maybe see if you can get a doctor to order one as you will have a prescription for it-so no $... You can also see if you have a local "alcohol and mental health" service in your city. Here we have the ADAMH association which offers alcohol, addiction and mental health service to folks in the county. Weather this is for a job,court, addiction service or whatever -it comes down to you knowing the truth and not accepting it. See if there's a place like the one I described and if u cannot find anything call 211 and ask for free addiction/mental health service. They can do a more in-depth testing for like90days,so get on it!! These are my personal experiences. Tho there are many bad if you think Abt it 5 out of close to 600isnt bad I guess...there are things that I know for a fact cause false positives (Zoloft, Sudafed, Wellbutrin, Vyvanse and an antibiotic-cant remember the name) and some that I think could as I was taking them in combo when I was sick (Benadryl, Mucinex, Sudafed, Robitussin) so I feel your pain in not being believed BUT YOU MUST ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WILL...best of luck and I hope that my experiences bring you comfort knowing if nothing else your not alone and hopefully you can get someone to rally for you!! Prayers to you and your not alone...there's people who's lives have been ruined by these inaccuracies,but there's others who's lives have been saved as well...

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8 years and disabled? Are you planning to work in Healthcare or are you working In Healthcare now? 

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And what is MAOTP.

also all of my screenings have been negative, just as I knew they would be.

the hair follicle test did take a long time to come back, for whatever reason! 
 

are you in drug court or medical field? Sounds like drug court to me 

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Shorty4444 said:

And what is MAOTP.

also all of my screenings have been negative, just as I knew they would be.

the hair follicle test did take a long time to come back, for whatever reason! 
 

are you in drug court or medical field? Sounds like drug court to me 

Glad you posted. I started to worry about false positive tests 

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@Healer555 I know, me too! You never know! It just took a very long time to come back, 11 days! Keep pushing peeps! 

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I was in med school(3 ½ yrs originally for physical therapy but I switched majors to psychology)but things happened (severe over medication for health issues I had since birth-lost my insurance and realized I was full on addicted) ultimately I ended up dropping out and a few bad decisions led straight to  drug court(well it was a zigzag,hop and run around to get there but you get the point)Unfortunately I ran from that and went to jail. After realizing that jail doesn't equate to treatment,I enrolled myself in a long term program which had a internal MAOTP(methadone assisted opiate treatment program) just wondering are you in the medical field or were you born being sarcastic. I have taken more drug tests than any human needs to. I have had a ton of experience (being sober over 8 years) with false positives due to medication, supplement and lab error. Do you realize that people loose their children,jobs,freedom etc. due to compromised/incomplete/inaccurate drug screens? I have no quarrel admitting my past indiscretions,but I will not back down now when it comes to my character, experience, education and morals. Why don't I back down now you ask,Because I don't need to. There is nothing worse than a false positive.you know if you have done something that is listed on a drug test. There is a stigma attached to the test. Even with my years sober and work I have done in the community back in 2019 I fell on a glass gazing ball and almost cut my arm off. All the muscles,tendons,nerve,veins and arteries were severed and shredded. That's how I truly became disabled. Nevermind the fact that I was born with severe hip displasia and now have painful arthritis, leaving me almost immobile (the reason I fell on the first place) I don't know why it would matter if I was in the medical field or chronic patron of it,I am qualified to give options,opinions and experiences. Anyway,beat wishes with your test. Just know that despite the lab techs and cup manufacturers not wanting to admit it, their product/results are NOT 100% accurate.

Shorty4444 said:

@Healer555 no I had hair test one week and peTH the next week. PeTH results came back quickly, but the hair test just came back today! Of course, all negative. I just didn't understand why it took so long on my hair follicle test! 

 

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insurancenurse said:

First: if it's something you really want, go for it. BUT BE ALL IN. 
Second: meetings meetings meetings! Therapy, get a sponsor/mentor. If you're already doing that, increase your frequency. 
Third: if you get kicked out of your respective program, people typically get two chances at the program. But if you don't want to give up- DON'T. 
Fourth: find me on the book of face. Valerie Arens. We have a private support group that can help with advice, support, and solidarity. Be sure to message me when you send the friend request, so I know not to decline it. 

I think I might be interested in that group. 

Random83 said:

I was in med school(3 ½ yrs originally for physical therapy but I switched majors to psychology)but things happened (severe over medication for health issues I had since birth-lost my insurance and realized I was full on addicted) ultimately I ended up dropping out and a few bad decisions led straight to  drug court(well it was a zigzag,hop and run around to get there but you get the point)Unfortunately I ran from that and went to jail. After realizing that jail doesn't equate to treatment,I enrolled myself in a long term program which had a internal MAOTP(methadone assisted opiate treatment program) just wondering are you in the medical field or were you born being sarcastic. I have taken more drug tests than any human needs to. I have had a ton of experience (being sober over 8 years) with false positives due to medication, supplement and lab error. Do you realize that people loose their children,jobs,freedom etc. due to compromised/incomplete/inaccurate drug screens? I have no quarrel admitting my past indiscretions,but I will not back down now when it comes to my character, experience, education and morals. Why don't I back down now you ask,Because I don't need to. There is nothing worse than a false positive.you know if you have done something that is listed on a drug test. There is a stigma attached to the test. Even with my years sober and work I have done in the community back in 2019 I fell on a glass gazing ball and almost cut my arm off. All the muscles,tendons,nerve,veins and arteries were severed and shredded. That's how I truly became disabled. Nevermind the fact that I was born with severe hip displasia and now have painful arthritis, leaving me almost immobile (the reason I fell on the first place) I don't know why it would matter if I was in the medical field or chronic patron of it,I am qualified to give options,opinions and experiences. Anyway,beat wishes with your test. Just know that despite the lab techs and cup manufacturers not wanting to admit it, their product/results are NOT 100% accurate.

 

Hair tests do take longer. I'm not sure why but I mean it's testing hair which is odd anyway. Urine is quick. I'm not sure I know what a Peth test? If that's what you said. I can't remember. 

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JackieeD said:

Thank you all for your words, I'm literally losing it! I don't think I can do this anymore! And of course it's a holiday so I won't hear from anyone till Tuesday. I haven't used in months, so not sure what this positive is about have t heard from my CM. I'm being honest when I said it's been months. I've had nothing but negative tests till yesterday! I'm hoping it's something from the Mucinex, because I have no clue what else it could be! 

That is really odd if you're literally not taken opiates. That just can't be right. There's only rare things that cause false positives. I hope it gets resolved. This happened in December so you probably have it resulted and figured out. But I feel your struggle - I've wanted to quick and give up because it feels easier. 

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I just stumbled across your post, I was wondering how everything is going for you. 

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