Failed NCLEX

[BlackBee]

Hello I was just wondering if anyone is on the same boat as I am.

I was educated in Canada and took the CRNE and failed it. I am few points away from passing it. After few months NCLEX came to Canada and took the NCLEX with the thought of maybe I can wing it to pass it. It was a huge mistake !!! I studied with a friend who was also in the same situation as I am right now. Learned lots that the approach I did was way off on how to approach the questions !!!. We decided to study together and took Hurst Review and after our third try, she passed and I didn't. In Canada, we are only allowed to take 3 attempts and thats it. I have applied in Arizona, awaiting for my credentials to be evaluated, hoping that I will be allowed to site the NCLEX again with unlimited attempts.

Any thoughts, advices or anybody who have already exhaust their max attempts and going on the same process as I am.

Thanks

[BlackBee]

I hate to be the critic here but you went through your first three attempts and did one "winging" it and you think you still want to be a nurse? If you can't take a refresher course then take some time off and reevaluate what you want to do. If you can't pass it on three tries then either you don't know the material or you can't put it together which is neither good.

You can be a critique and doesn't bother me.

When I first took my RN exam as CRNE, the passing score was 550, I got 540 in Oct. 2014. That was the last CRNE. Had to wait for 6 weeks to know the result. My GN permit expires Jan. 2015. Knowing that I am running out of time I decided to take it without much preparation. There's a few of us who took the exam on different dates. Unfortunately, some of us didn't pass. I got 105 that time not really knowing how the NCLEX was structured. After few months of doing Hurst Review I got 265 but still failed. I guess I really don't know my material. So the sum it up I have only took the NCLEX twice and CRNE once.

Right now, I am not the only one facing this NCLEX failures problems as this is now a wide spread issue in Canada. A few people I know after our graduating class who have failed the NCLEX twice are not wanting to take the 3rd attempt.

Believe me if I get granted for eligibility I will take a time off to study the materials. But how can I get a time off when I don't even know if I will be eligible.

Below is a part of the news posted online and was televised on CNN.

The passing scores for Canadian students have declined since the inception of NCLEX in Jan 2015.

Across Canada 4,701 students took the exam in the past six months and of those, 1,380 failed. In Ontario, 1,688 exams were written and 539 failed. The number of failures in Ontario is up by about 20 per cent from the year before. Ip said those statistics were daunting.”

It seems to me it's a very strong indicator that this is not a good exam for testing the competency that a nurse needs to practice in the Canadian health care setting,” said Dr. Kirsten Woodend, President of the Canadian Association of Schools of Nursing.

This has students and even nursing faculty stressed out over the new exam, but the faculty at York University isn't planning on altering their curriculum to match the American program.

We are trying to help student prepare for an exam that wasn't designed for them, it was designed for nurses that practice in the United States,” said Janet Jeffrey, director of School of Nursing at York University.

[BlackBee]

I'm wondering how you plan to compete in the current job market, assuming that AZ grants you a license?

There are thousands of local new grads across the US who are struggling to find employment. For argument's sake, suppose you relocate and get an interview. The employer will likely be unimpressed and move on to another candidate.

As you move through this process, take some time to reflect on your goals and an action plan for how you intend to succeed as a nurse.

Fingers crossed, if and if and if again I got the chance and pass. I can always find rural places in the states that needs nurses that even your local grads will not even consider. The only argument I can think of to depend this idea of mind is as long the US accepts immigrants such as the Philippines, Korea, Taiwan, Nigeria, etc to come to work as nurses, engineers, etc then there's still hope for people like me finding work against locals.

I have also recently passed my NPTE Physical Therapy in another state. So worse comes to worse I can't get a full time work as a nurse then I can use my other profession. But this is another chapter of my goal. What I am aiming right now is to pursue nursing.

[BlackBee]

@blackBee, Even if your chances of working as a nurse are small, at least there is a chance. It will be interesting to hear how your plans work out, hopefully you will return to this thread and provide updates as you tackle each hurdle.

Yes I will to update when I can. By posting here, sharing my experience and dilemma will guide others who will be in the same situation and does not make the same mistake I did.

[BlackBee]

Yes I will to update when I can. By posting here, sharing my experience and dilemma will guide others who will be in the same situation and does not make the same mistake I did.

Yes I know its small chance. Unless someone from the inside board will tell me theres "no chance" instead of "small chance" then I will take the small chance. I am applying to the BON and taking my chances. I thoroughly searched the web looking for answers or US BON specifically stating "If you are NOT an RN in your country of origin then you will NOT be allowed to sit for the NCLEX." After that search all I can see were speculations, opinions, and a number of bickering but none showing the actual statement. I chose Az because of the fact it stated in their website .....

Validation of Practice

Have met one of the following practice requirements:

1. Practiced as a nurse for 960 hours or more in the past 5 years or
   
2. Graduated from a nursing program and obtained a degree within past 5 years or
   
3. Completed an Arizona Board approved refresher course in the past 5 years or
   
4. Obtained an advanced nursing degree in the past 5 years (i.e. LPN to RN, RN to BSN, masters, or doctorate).
   

1. How many times may I take the NCLEX®?
   In Arizona, you may take NCLEX® as many times as necessary to successfully pass.
   

https://www.azbn.gov/licensure-certification/foreign-educated-requirements

And if Dishes' information was correct on those people failing 3 attempts from Canada then was granted rewrite as a NY applicant then its a living proof that people should not lose hope. BTW, Dishes, I can't find that link, can you please send it to me . Thanks

[joanna73, BSN, RN]

It's disturbing that some States allow unlimited attempts for the NCLEX. I can understand being unsuccessful twice, but beyond that, there is really no excuse. The material is geared toward entry level nursing.

Repeated failures usually indicate:

1) Lack of knowledge

2) Lack of application

3) Poor study habits and test preparation

4) A combination of these factors.

I hope that you will take the test seriously if you are granted another opportunity.

[BlackBee]

To Beautifulstar --- my privy message is disabled. To answer all your questions .... Hurst review did help me though. I scored from 105 with no Hurst to 265 with Hurst. Lots of SATAnS, no calculations, got 2 pharmacology drugs, lots of delegations, priorities, maternity, bioterrorism, etc. From below and near passing (NCLEX 1st attempt) to above and near passing (NCLEX 2nd). If I can turn back the time, I should have not pushed myself taking that 2nd attempt but first NCLEX without really prepared. My overconfidence got to me. Try to clear off your mind too with just focusing the exam. I would want to get 265 question than less than that because more questions means your still a survivor. Everytime I clicked "next" I was hoping for another question pls. I even had 4 consecutive SATAs.

[dishes, BSN, RN]

And if Dishes' information was correct on those people failing 3 attempts from Canada then was granted rewrite as a NY applicant then its a living proof that people should not lose hope. BTW, Dishes, I can't find that link, can you please send it to me . Thanks

In the Canadian section under CRNE/CPNRE exams, November 3/15 a thread titled 'CNO Letter' Murano discusses writing the NCLEX in NY. There are others who have posted similar experiences about passing in the US after failing in Canada, usually the posts are in 'failed the CRNE 3 times' threads.

[BlackBee]

It's disturbing that some States allow unlimited attempts for the NCLEX. I can understand being unsuccessful twice, but beyond that, there is really no excuse. The material is geared toward entry level nursing.

Repeated failures usually indicate:

1) Lack of knowledge

2) Lack of application

3) Poor study habits and test preparation

4) A combination of these factors.

I hope that you will take the test seriously if you are granted another opportunity.

Thanks for the hope, Joanna73. But in my opinion, this is just only me. If I have to apply ALL what you have just said 1-3 then there should be NO 2nd attempt at all in any other healthcare professional licensing even in law, engineering, etc. Does it really matters if you pass it on 2nd try, 3rd try, or even 10th try? For me, if you really want to apply 1-3 then everyone should only be allowed to take it first time. Thats it. Things happen for a reason, in my opinion. I think what is disturbing is professionals like nurses being convicted of felonies still be able to get license as long things are being reported to the BON or RNs getting their exams on first attempts and being reported doesn't do well at work.

I am no hypocrite but you are entitled to your own opinion. The materials are really geared toward entry level nursing .... how many test takers coming out of the exam rooms making statement that I think I aced that exam !!!

Our program in Canada are all context based learning designed for CRNE. We all sit with a group of 6 students discussing a case scenario. We bring in research articles and talked about it. Since the NCLEX came in, my program where I graduated changed it to make sure that students are now prepared for the NCLEX. I was caught in the transition of all of this.

JFK jr. failed his boards 2 times and swore after that he will not stop taking the boards until his old and can't write the exam anymore. I know law and healthcare are two different things.

I wish in the future researchers will conduct a study on "unsuccessful passers on first 3 tries but successful on later" that they were unsafe to practice in their chosen fields.

I finished my Physical Therapy in South Korea in 2005 and able to get a licensed there. I passed my licensure in Canada by passing BOTH the Written and Clinical Components. I passed my NPTE in USA just recently. All in first try. I took my last RN attempt seriously but failed it. I guess thats disturbing that I can't pass my NCLEX.

[joanna73, BSN, RN]

You are free to disagree with me, OP as well as others. Since you posted in a public forum, I am providing my opinion.

I have witnessed variations in abilities and learning styles as a manager and an educator. I will continue to stand by what I said. It's disturbing, and working with some of these individuals who lack basic knowledge and do not take the test seriously is disturbing.

[BlackBee]

You are free to disagree with me, OP as well as others. Since you posted in a public forum, I am providing my opinion.

I have witnessed variations in abilities and learning styles as a manager and an educator. I will continue to stand by what I said. It's disturbing, and working with some of these individuals who lack basic knowledge and do not take the test seriously is disturbing.

I am grateful for your opinion and I never condemn any of those. I will never ask you to stand down for it. Like I said, all of us are entitled to our own opinion. I am here NOT to argue but to get "verified" information of other people who have experienced the same situation as I am in right now.

[BlackBee]

In the Canadian section under CRNE/CPNRE exams, November 3/15 a thread titled 'CNO Letter' Murano discusses writing the NCLEX in NY. There are others who have posted similar experiences about passing in the US after failing in Canada, usually the posts are in 'failed the CRNE 3 times' threads.

Thanks Dishes.

Based from Murano's statement he was granted an ATT to sit the NCLEX without Canadian licensure. Not able to transfer it, I am not surprised but I think in my own opinion if he stays in NY and provide work history showing safe to practice, he can challenge the CNO with an appeal.

[dishes, BSN, RN]

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Our program in Canada are all context based learning designed for CRNE. We all sit with a group of 6 students discussing a case scenario. We bring in research articles and talked about it. Since the NCLEX came in, my program where I graduated changed it to make sure that students are now prepared for the NCLEX. I was caught in the transition of all of this.

I wish in the future researchers will conduct a study on "unsuccessful passers on first 3 tries but successful on later" that they were unsafe to practice in their chosen fields.

I agree that the Canadian 2015 BScN grads were caught in the transition and the outcome was significantly decreased pass rates for NCLEX.

I think it would be possible for the College of Nurses of Ontario (CNO) to do a retrospective study that assessed unsafe practice of nurses who took more than three attempts to pass the CRNE because in the past CNO allowed six attempts to pass the CRNE.