Hi everyone. I have been doing a lot of research about the Excelsior program. I have a lot of prior medical experience, so I'm not too worried by the fact that there is not a lot of clinical time.
The thing is, I currently live in New York, but plan on moving to California in the next year or two, but see from the boards that CA does not "accept" Excelsior graduates. What does that mean?
I was told (though I may have been giving some wrong information), that once I passed the NYCLEX, I would be able to carry my "RN" with me wherever I go. Will I be able to work in California as an RN if I get my RN through Excelsior?
California is very upfront with what they will accept and not accept.
As all of us have been stating here, when you select a school to attend, make sure that it is honored throughout the country. For any program that you pick, it is your responsibility to check to see where you can work and not work with the training. There have been issues with EC for several years, this is nothing new.
Even for those that say that they will never work in a particular state so they don't care, things can always change later on in life when you least expect it.
Your California license won't have a special note on it, you will be unable to get one.
Even for those that say that they will never work in a particular state so they don't care, things can always change later on in life when you least expect it.
EXACTLY THE CASE WITH ME.
Your California license won't have a special note on it, you will be unable to get one.
You didn't understand what I was saying. A license from Excelsior *is* branded. It's branded so you can't get a license in California...see what I mean?
I stand by what I say. If Excelsior isn't good enough to be accepted in California it shouldn't be good enough for the rest of the country.
Wow! So much information to process. At the same time helps me focus on the areas of research I'll follow and help me develop more accurate questions. Thank you all.
I'm needing these answers specifically because I live in CA where my path of training will start. I plan on relocation to TX within 3 years. Because my mother resides here, is in her 70's, in good health, but in the likelyhood that she needs me back home I'm keeping an open mind.
Should I decide on EC for the RN degree program (this is only perferred for convenience), I will have time to complete CA's 30-unit option before I relocate. There are other path options available as well. I have to decide what is the best fit for my success. I will graduate from an LVN program Feb '07. I plan working and continuation of classes (30-unit option, CA). All the information coming across is helping formulate a more educated strategy. Please your advice is appreciated on anything that has been mentioned in this post.
You didn't understand what I was saying. A license from Excelsior *is* branded. It's branded so you can't get a license in California...see what I mean?
I stand by what I say. If Excelsior isn't good enough to be accepted in California it shouldn't be good enough for the rest of the country.
This is ridiculous. Excelsior needs to shut down.
Again, I stand by what I said, I understood you completely. EC is not in the business of providing nursing licenses. That is done by the BON of each state. Sorry that you did not know about this site earleir and read the information that we have posted time and time again.
And it is not good enough for the rest of the country. You need to do your research. There are several other states that do not accept it and several that are in the process of possibly no longer accepting it. That is something that you need to take issue with them over, not a BON.
Wow! So much information to process. At the same time helps me focus on the areas of research I'll follow and help me develop more accurate questions. Thank you all.
I'm needing these answers specifically because I live in CA where my path of training will start. I plan on relocation to TX within 3 years. Because my mother resides here, is in her 70's, in good health, but in the likelyhood that she needs me back home I'm keeping an open mind.
Should I decide on EC for the RN degree program (this is only perferred for convenience), I will have time to complete CA's 30-unit option before I relocate. There are other path options available as well. I have to decide what is the best fit for my success. I will graduate from an LVN program Feb '07. I plan working and continuation of classes (30-unit option, CA). All the information coming across is helping formulate a more educated strategy. Please your advice is appreciated on anything that has been mentioned in this post.
I have to go think now. :lol_hitti
Sorry, but I would not even consider their program, especially if you are in CA, or may one day wish to return here. California 30 unit option is only good in CA, it will not be able to get you an RN license in any other state.
It is not honored to be accepted for academic training for RN licensure in any other state.
I think that you seriously need to take some time and weigh your options. Neither of what you have mentioned will be beneficial to you.
Sorry, but I would not even consider their program, especially if you are in CA, or may one day wish to return here. California 30 unit option is only good in CA, it will not be able to get you an RN license in any other state.
It is not honored to be accepted for academic training for RN licensure in any other state.
I think that you seriously need to take some time and weigh your options. Neither of what you have mentioned will be beneficial to you.
Again, I stand by what I said, I understood you completely. EC is not in the business of providing nursing licenses. That is done by the BON of each state. Sorry that you did not know about this site earleir and read the information that we have posted time and time again.
And it is not good enough for the rest of the country. You need to do your research. There are several other states that do not accept it and several that are in the process of possibly no longer accepting it. That is something that you need to take issue with them over, not a BON.
They need to be shut down. A whole group of Excelsior graduates needs to congregate at the steps of Excelsior. Like you said...life changes when you least expect it. So thank you for not preaching.
Sambu run from Excelsior like there is not tomorrow! You never know when Texas wil stop accepting graduates from that diploma mill! I'm paid Excelsior thousands of dollars for a diploma that will be useless. Myself, I'm going through ISU's LPN to BSN...as far as I know California will still take those people.
They need to be shut down. A whole group of Excelsior graduates needs to congregate at the steps of Excelsior. Like you said...life changes when you least expect it. So thank you for not preaching.
Sambu run from Excelsior like there is not tomorrow! You never know when Texas wil stop accepting graduates from that diploma mill! I'm paid Excelsior thousands of dollars for a diploma that will be useless. Myself, I'm going through ISU's LPN to BSN...as far as I know California will still take those people.
Look up at the top of the page at their advertisement, glowing tackier than some neon tarot card reading sign in a store front window!
My husband told me my Excelsior diploma would be something I would want to hide in the closet. I should have listened to him!
They need to be shut down. A whole group of Excelsior graduates needs to congregate at the steps of Excelsior. Like you said...life changes when you least expect it. So thank you for not preaching.
Sambu run from Excelsior like there is not tomorrow! You never know when Texas wil stop accepting graduates from that diploma mill! I'm paid Excelsior thousands of dollars for a diploma that will be useless. Myself, I'm going through ISU's LPN to BSN...as far as I know California will still take those people.
LPN that is rather an unfair statement. Excelsior did this by allowing under qualified people into the program but it is not a reflection of many of us. I did work and learn a lot from the program. I was the only new RN grad at a major hospital to pass a pbds in the past year. Excelsior is a good program for the right students. I have gotten nothing but rave reviews on my 90 day evaluation at the hospital. I understand your anger at the California thing BUT you should have known about that before you ever enrolled--Excelsior had that info on their site from day one and still have it there. I was able to keep informed about the events through them and that is why I enrolled as early as I did--I wanted to make the deadline. I agree that we should have some anger about the way they handled things but I certainly don't think the program is a diploma mill! There are MANY states that accept the degree and have accepted the degree for many years. This program is sometimes the only way working adults can have mobility. I think your anger is childish--you should have kept your own self informed--that is your fault!
They need to be shut down. A whole group of Excelsior graduates needs to congregate at the steps of Excelsior. Like you said...life changes when you least expect it. So thank you for not preaching.
Sambu run from Excelsior like there is not tomorrow! You never know when Texas wil stop accepting graduates from that diploma mill! I'm paid Excelsior thousands of dollars for a diploma that will be useless. Myself, I'm going through ISU's LPN to BSN...as far as I know California will still take those people.
They do not need to be shut down. The program actually works for some people. You need to take some responsibility for this. It is on their website and has been for a long time, that you need to check with the BON where you wish to get a license to see if it is accepted. It is not their fault.
LPN that is rather an unfair statement. Excelsior did this by allowing under qualified people into the program but it is not a reflection of many of us. I did work and learn a lot from the program. I was the only new RN grad at a major hospital to pass a pbds in the past year. Excelsior is a good program for the right students. I have gotten nothing but rave reviews on my 90 day evaluation at the hospital. I understand your anger at the California thing BUT you should have known about that before you ever enrolled--Excelsior had that info on their site from day one and still have it there. I was able to keep informed about the events through them and that is why I enrolled as early as I did--I wanted to make the deadline. I agree that we should have some anger about the way they handled things but I certainly don't think the program is a diploma mill! There are MANY states that accept the degree and have accepted the degree for many years. This program is sometimes the only way working adults can have mobility. I think your anger is childish--you should have kept your own self informed--that is your fault!
First of all ... I don't think LPNtoRN is being childish. She has every right to be angry. She paid good money to EC in good faith and, quite frankly, the school has let all of you down.
One can debate whether she should have enrolled sooner and whether that's her fault but ... it may not really matter. In the California forum one EC LVN, who did make the deadline, just recently posted she has been turned down for two jobs already. The damage may already have been done, whether you made the deadline or not, if the hospitals won't hire you.
As far as EC being a "diploma mill" let's face it ... EC was advertised as a diploma mill out here in California. That's what started the whole controversy in the first place ... (and the fact that hospitals had started instituting policies of not hiring EC grads). People were actually advertising quickie MA and EMT courses in conjunction with EC ... "get your RN in only a few months!" EC did nothing to stop it until after the BORN acted and it was too late.
There are good people in the program but, unfortunately, you've been burned by EC and the scam artists who promoted the program as a diploma mill. That reputation is pretty much ingrained out here in California. I realize it's not fair to the good people in the program, but that's the way it is, unfortunately. And LPNtoRN has every right to be angry about it.
Uh ... I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Maybe they do need to be shut down.
The Calfornia BORN did an extensive analysis on EC grads. The fact of the matter is: incident reports on EC grads were much higher than the norm. This means medication errors were higher, adverse patient outcomes were higher, etc. A lot of it was traced to the lack of clinical training as nurses. This is what prompted the board to come down so hard on EC.
So ... I'm not so sure that LPNtoRN is wrong when she says the program should be shut down. It's not out of left field ... actually ... considering the data.
suzanne4, RN
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California is very upfront with what they will accept and not accept.
As all of us have been stating here, when you select a school to attend, make sure that it is honored throughout the country. For any program that you pick, it is your responsibility to check to see where you can work and not work with the training. There have been issues with EC for several years, this is nothing new.
Even for those that say that they will never work in a particular state so they don't care, things can always change later on in life when you least expect it.
Your California license won't have a special note on it, you will be unable to get one.