Ketamine for conscious sedation in peds in the ED - page 4
Our physicians in my ED want to use Ketamine for conscious sedation in children for short procedures. All of the nursing drug references I've looked at have no pedi references for use: dosages, route... Read More
Apr 27, '07Works great on kids in the ER
I love it then you dont have to listen to a screaming kid and freaked out parents.
Sep 4, '07Our hospital banned ketamine in the ER. We used topical lidocaine on a bandage to numb surface of the area and once the skin was numb we used plain lido. with a 27 short for less pain.
Sep 5, '07I'm in a new grad program in an ED and we all just had to pass competencies on the use of Etomidate for conscious sedation with pedi ortho reductions, etc.... how have your experiences been with it, if you have used it?
Sep 5, '07We never used it. We had a pediatric cocktail that consisted of thorazine, phenergan and one other med that I can not remember. It worked great and we only had to wait until the child would drink something before discharge.
Sep 6, '07so glad this thread caught my eye. i'm a new grad in the ED, have been on the floor for a month with a preceptor and started residency classes today. our educator came and talked to us about ketamine, and she stated that the hospital was looking into letting RN's push it. she was clear that at this point in time, only our docs are allowed to adminster it, but she was singing its praises like she was a drug rep. another girl in my class raised issue with its dissociative properties and predisposition to psychoses later in life, and the educator denied knowledge of this study and went on to talk about how often we use it.
she then gave the example of ped's soaking up versed and not having it affect them like it would an adult, and using ketamine as a backup. her specific example was of a child needing a head ct and not being able to get them to lie still enough. we went over the adverse effects, and i asked why we would be giving a kid needing a head ct a drug that raises ICP. her response? "it doesn't happen often enough for it to be a problem - we like this dug and use it often" (!!).
thank you all for your postings. my first day's lesson in the ed? don't trust what you hear unless you've done the research yourself. i won't be pushing ketamine unless i get a few more initials in my "RN".
Sep 7, '07Good for you. Stick to your guns. We had a Doc that wanted to use Lidocaine 2% on a child ( about 6 years ago) and not one of us (RN's) on duty would use the 2% especially on a 3 year old. The Doctor got angry and did it herself. The child died and not one of the RN's caught flack. The Doctor however was "let go" and the hospital settled out of court. The child was a member of one of the most influential famlies in town.
Listen to your gut. If your instinct tells you somethings not right question and if necessary call your supervisor on duty and explain to her/him