Drug rant: Legalized Dope Dealer, RN

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This week, I have officially become sick, tired, and disgusted with the drug-seeking behaviors and, in addition, the Press Ganey-brainwashed administration that condones them.

Patient comes to ED for "torso" pain (trying to be vague), straightfaced in a gown standing @ TV in room flipping through channels and going on and on on her cell phone about how someone owes her money. Seeing me, she comes over to the bed, sits down, and says "Go ahead," sticking out her arm while still talking away on her cell. I kindly explain that I need to ask questions and assess prior to pain meds, and will wait until she's finished with phone conversation. Of course, phone is hung up pronto. Upon sticking her arm out for me, multiple track marks, red infected areas that look like brown recluse bites (from dirty needle use), OK. I ask if there is IV drug use, and get a shocked-meets-almost-offended "Oh god, no. I've been in the hospital and stuck so much, they can't ever get a vein."

Long story short, friends show up (that my patient actually wants in the room), and they ask if they can talk to me. I go in the privacy room and they start going ON and ON about the patient's heroin and now pain med addiction, and that she needs help, and we need to make her get help, etc etc etc. During this, I share no info, only nodding and saying, "Ok..." Upon asking patient about contradicting info, she is again very surprised and denies ever having used heroin, as well as everything else.

So, she wants friends in room. Friends go in, and in front of me, confront her. Eventually she admits to issues, and still wants pain meds. Thankfully, goes home with an rx for Motrin. :) STILL. Gave her Dilaudid and Toradol prior to Intervention. And I've given her 10mg Dilaudid over the past 2 weeks in various visits. And we have another patient that comes in with back pain, pain is a 9/10, gets Dilaudid 2mg + Zofran 4mg IV, pain is then 8/10, gets another Dilaudid 2mg IV, pain is 6/10, and is discharged. EVERY TIME. Like 14-15 visits since 8/1/08. Other patients, same stuff. Dilaudid, dilaudid, dilaudid.

Similar patient went to administration because pain was not treated how she thought it should be... doc got chewed a new a-hole, and what good does that do? Do whatever you can to please your patient, even if it means feeding a drug addiction? I honestly HATE this. I chart like the queen b-tch, noting facial expressions, behaviors, grimace, guarding, moaning with no tears, laughing with friend in rm, watching tv and drinking mountain dew though nauseated and in severe abdominal pain, etc -- still, our docs are just as fed up but in talking about this, have literally said, "After Dr. Got-chewed-out got called in to whoever's office the other day, I'll put them in a Dilaudid coma if I have to. Whatever will make the patient happy, right?"

Since when did pain become so freaking terrible? I personally would rather be in some pain than be completely numb to my life as a whole. Me and most of the ER staff: :banghead:

Sorry, and thanks for listening! As the title says, I feel like a legalized dope dealer, and it makes me incredibly uncomfortable. Hrm!

Specializes in M/S, Tele, Peds, ER.

But those seemingly otherwise functional people who CANNOT COPE with life's little "emergencies" ... these people DRIVE ME INSANE.

God help you when you have a real life crisis.

Amen!

On my not so long ago working the floor days what would get me the MOST... more than most of the druggies... were the ones that made the BIGGEST deals over the pettiest things.... the ones that SERIOUSLY expected you to wake up the doc at 3am because their back itches and they want benadryl :banghead: and no, itching it only helps for a little bit... ??? And could you get that IV?

I often wanna ask them...

So what you're saying is that if you were at home right now, lying in bed at 3am, and your back was itching, it would be important enough to leave the house, run up to the closest 24hour store, and buy some benadryl to relieve it? I know it seems old fashioned, but how about giving it a good scratch? I can even get some lotion for ya! And we'll put PRN benadryl on your wish list for the doc in the morning!

Or the young able bodied ones that EVERY time you go in the room they pout about how they "just can't get comfortable" and look at you to do something about it as you stare at them lying in bed with a half dozen pillows & blankets and think about the guy out in the hallway who doesn't even have a room assigned yet!

What do you expect me to do!? Drop everything and give you a freakin full body massage!?!!

What do these people do at home!??! So helpless!

oy! :rolleyes:

Okay! No more off-topic talk from me! Sorry!

Okay, my pet peeves on the subject.

1. The person who is complaining about her intractable nausea, and only dilaudid will make her feel better.

2. That same person having the alarm on her cell phone set LOUDLY so she never missed the Q4 hour dose of dilaudid and phenergan, but being so gorked out that she didn't wake up to the alarm with the door closed in the room, even though both patients in the rooms next to her were.

3. Patients who go through a major surgery, have their chests cracked, and think that they are going to be 100% pain free that first and second (and even third and fourth) day after surgery as they are ambulating, etc, even though I have heard the surgeons tell every single one of them that they can EXPECT a certain amount of pain, and that even with meds, an acceptable level of pain following that kind of surgery would be considered a 4/10.

I am sorry to disagree with you but you CAN NOT always tell someone's pain level. I believe it is absolutely ridiculous for anyone to suffer in todays world. People are so afraid that everyone is a drug seeker and thinks that about everyone when that is not always the case. Both my mom and I suffer from terrible chronic pain and have dealt with the BS thoughts of doctor's and nurses our whole lives. My mom is now on disability and trust me she would not be there if she didn't have to be. She was a nurse and loved her job.

I don't know how anyone can sit there and say "we can tell the difference" because there are times when you can not. There are many times that I talk and laugh through horrible horrible pain...I have to, otherwise I would not be able to make it through life. Pain unfortunately has become a norm in my life but that does not mean that I should not seek to have taken away.

I also find it very insulting when people talk about the "druggies" out there and refer to them as the uninsured and low lifes. I am not saying that you did this I am just talking in general here. There are also doctors, nurses, lawyers, politicians, etc who abuse drugs but that it is ok if they have the money right?

Sorry for the rant but it is not any nurses job to decide if someone is a drug seeker or not. Fill the order as prescribed and move on!!!!!

I am sorry that you and your mother suffer true pain. However as a NURSE, it is indeed my responsibility to judged people's pain. Not everyone is verbal or even conscious. You ever heard of nonverbal pain scales?? How do you think we evaluate babies pain, obtunded or intubated people's pain? Also, vital signs clue us in on a lot! If you're 10/10 and heart rate of 65 and normotensive, I am less likely to get excited about your complaint of "the worst pain of your life". And besides, if you have chronic pain and you are properly following up with your PMD and are compliant, you are less likely to be in the ER anyways. TheER is the EMERGENCY room. Chronic pain hurts, but is not an emergency. You need to understand that when we have critically ill patients, ie: people that are trying to die on us or evenpeople in acute pain from, say, an open tib-fib fracture, these things are ALWAYS more important than someone coming in with chronic complaints. Does this mean we are insensitive and don't care? Absolutely not. It just means that we will get to you after the sickest people are taken care of first. And please don't cop an attitude when I am busy trying to save someone's life.

"i am sorry to disagree with you but you can not always tell someone's pain level. i believe it is absolutely ridiculous for anyone to suffer in todays world. people are so afraid that everyone is a drug seeker and thinks that about everyone when that is not always the case. both my mom and i suffer from terrible chronic pain and have dealt with the bs thoughts of doctor's and nurses our whole lives. my mom is now on disability and trust me she would not be there if she didn't have to be. she was a nurse and loved her job.

i don't know how anyone can sit there and say "we can tell the difference" because there are times when you can not. there are many times that i talk and laugh through horrible horrible pain...i have to, otherwise i would not be able to make it through life. pain unfortunately has become a norm in my life but that does not mean that i should not seek to have taken away.

i also find it very insulting when people talk about the "druggies" out there and refer to them as the uninsured and low lifes. i am not saying that you did this i am just talking in general here. there are also doctors, nurses, lawyers, politicians, etc who abuse drugs but that it is ok if they have the money right?

sorry for the rant but it is not any nurses job to decide if someone is a drug seeker or not. fill the order as prescribed and move on!!!!! "

i have one thing to say..............chronic pain is not curable.....so, don't expect the emd to beable to cure it. don't come to the er wanting pain meds on a saturday for chronic pain and get ticked because you aren't getting the narc or mg of your preference. don't cop an attitude with the er nurse, because beleive it or not....the emds listen to us and we set the tone for your care....especially if you are faking it...or saying your chronic pain is a 10. when i ask...mamam if you had to give a number between 0 and 10 with 10 being pain for example....your arm was just amputated, what would you say your pain is?.....don't flippin tell me 10....i seriously walk out of the room and think you are a faker.

"and as filling the order as prescribed and move on statement".....whoa!...if you ever said that to me....i would march back to the ed doc, tell him what you just said....and say, if you want to give this patient this med...do it yourself because i refuse to be treated this way from this "drug-seeker"....the doc normally cuts the dose in half....just alittle bit of info for your next er visit dear.....

and oh btw: i live with chronic pain as well.....i live with it....i take my motrin (only) and do some ice packs when there is acuity, or use my hot tub, do stretches daily, wear my orthotics, etc.....i know pain...and work my butt off through it daily. narcotics will not cure your chronic pain....

It's an addiction. They won't stop until they decide they want to help themselves. Do what you can to send them in the right direction, but many people have to hit rock bottom before they decide to enter into a program of some kind. Addiction is a disease. Treat it that way.

I'm reading through all these responses and really hope I never end up in some of your ERs. Some of you have really lost your compassion and objectivity. Maybe it is time to look into a different profession if this sort of thing bothers you to this extent.

I'm reading through all these responses and really hope I never end up in some of your ERs. Some of you have really lost your compassion and objectivity. Maybe it is time to look into a different profession if this sort of thing bothers you to this extent.

This is a vent thread, and actually is being treated as such.:D

Specializes in SNF-LTC; Gero-psych.

I just don't get it (drug seekers)..... I had a kidney stone about a year ago, they came into my room and gave me Dilauded.. OMG I stopped breathing for a few seconds.. I told them to stop and not give me anymore.. I only had about 1/2 of the dose. But I thought it was going to kill me honestly.. After that I told them Tylenol should be sufficient.. And I personally WILL NEVER have DILAUDED in my system again.. I would rather be hurting 9/10 instead..

Specializes in ICU, ER, Informatics.

I can relate- and it makes me sick. there is something so broken about our system. More the pity - it is the tax payer who is paying for these users and abusers of the system.

It is a bit of a comfort to know that there are others feeling the same frustrations.:madface:

I'm reading through all these responses and really hope I never end up in some of your ERs. Some of you have really lost your compassion and objectivity. Maybe it is time to look into a different profession if this sort of thing bothers you to this extent.

Didn't we all know it would just be a matter of time. Someone who sees the world through rose colored glasses is going to set all of us horrible nurses with no compassion all straight. We are such horrible nurses :( Are you a nursing student?? I bet you think that all urinary caths on 400 lb. patients in the ER are completely sterile, too (hehehe). Listen, if I didn't like what I did, I would no longer be doing it. I became a nurse because I like to help people. Have you ever had your life threatened by a druggie that didn't get his Demerol?? I have. Not fun. Sorry if that makes me a little gun shy about being nice nurse nancy to people like this. I also don't appreciate doing my best to save someone's granny with CHF, on bipap, sats in the low 80's and having some ding dong COME IN THE ROOM and tell me I need to hurry up and get him some pain medicine for his toothache. People have a HUGE misconception about how the ER works. Read your critical care books, especially the part about triage. Also, get some experience in the "hot seat" and then you can judge my level of compassion. I love most of my patients--even some of the frequent fliers. If you spit at me or threaten MY life over the DOCTOR's decision, you're dang skippy i won't have time for you.

Well, I for one had an episode that sent me to the ER and they gave me Demerol. I can tell you I never felt better. I had no pain, no problems and no worries for 8 hours.

I can absolutely see getting sucked into that really easily so it's all about the Ibuprofen now...

I don't want to go there but I can see AND understand how people fall down that path...

People do drugs BECAUSE they work. They make you forget your problems. Sometimes the problems they give you are still better than the ones you are running from.

Specializes in Emergency.
I'm reading through all these responses and really hope I never end up in some of your ERs. Some of you have really lost your compassion and objectivity. Maybe it is time to look into a different profession if this sort of thing bothers you to this extent.

Someone works a Disney Land ED, if employed as a nurse at all....

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