Do You Want Universal Healthcare?

RN1982 · Jul 31, 2008

Schools exist to educate. It is the parents' responsibility to feed their children. Americans need to regain the sense of self reliance that made previous generations strong, and stop expecting others to care for them. I believe John F. Kennedy had something to say about that...

Yeah, he said "you have nothing to fear but fear itself"

Jolie, BSN · Jul 31, 2008

Yeah, he said "you have nothing to fear but fear itself"

Yeah, fear of being taxed into oblivion.

How about "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?"

Ah forget it, that would involve personal responsibility.

Atheos · Jul 31, 2008

Yeah, fear of being taxed into oblivion.
How about "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?"
Ah forget it, that would involve personal responsibility.

He was speaking of standing together to fight the villainy of other countries... Not personal responsibility...

RN1982 · Jul 31, 2008

He was speaking of standing together to fight the villainy of other countries... Not personal responsibility...

Oh, Oh, I know that one...bay of pigs, bay of pigs....

seriously, I should lay off the coffee for a bit.

Atheos · Jul 31, 2008

Schools exist to educate. It is the parents' responsibility to feed their children. Americans need to regain the sense of self reliance that made previous generations strong, and stop expecting others to care for them. I believe John F. Kennedy had something to say about that...

That's a good speech. So what if the parents can't feed their children? Just let them starve? When grandma can't afford her meds? To bad?? People can't afford or qualify for medical insurance? TOO BAD PAL???

A lot of people think this way and sure it is a valid opinion. Of course all these people cry foul when it happens to them...

tanthalas · Jul 31, 2008

I worked hard to get where I am in life and those that do not should not be rewarded for their poor choices in life.

Wow, I don't even know what to say.

People DO make choices to commit crimes, refuse to work, not go to school, have 4 kids with all different partners before their 18th birthday, use drugs, etc.

That is quite possibily the most misleading, biased, and uninformed blanket statement I've ever read. Yes, people do have the ability to make choices... but have you ever considered how people come to make their choices? How do we decide what we should do? How do we make decisions on ethical dilemmas? Where do our morals come from? Where does our personal identity stem from?

As nurses we are holistically heath and wellness providers. We see things through a bio-psycho-social-spiritual lens. Simply saying people decide to commit a crime or refuse to work is irresponsible and demeaning.

Ever hear this classic nursing quote?

"Bobby is playing in the industrial yard."

"Why is bobby playing in the industrial yard?"

"Because Bobby's dad just got laid off of his job and they can only afford to live in this neighbourhood."

"Why did Bobby's dad get laid off?"

"Because he got sick."

"Why he can't go see the doctor?"

"Because he doesn't have any health insurance."

"Why don't they have health insurance?"

"Because they grew up with very limited financial resources."

"Why did they grow up with limited financial resources?"

"Because Bobby's grandma had Cancer and her treatment costed too much."

"Why does the treatment cost so much?"

etc. etc.

Sorry for derailing the thread; I just can't stomach to see oppression happen on anyone.

CRNA2007 · Jul 31, 2008

Puhlease,

every school in this country gets provided with free breakfast and free lunch for kids. There are so many free redundant give aways in this country there is no need to even have a parent around to raise a child. This fallacy of soup line America is just that a fallacy. I guess that's why their is an epidemic of obesity in poor neighborhoods because of the lack of nutrition. We spend about $22,000 per student in the DC school system that has a dropout rate of over 50%. To say that these schools are impoverished is absolutely absurd.

Those children didn't make a poor choice to be born that way, but their parents did and it is not my responsibility to pay for their poor choices. Odds are these children will grow up making the same poor choices. Their is nothing stopping YOU from breaking out your checkbook this minute and writing a check to the federal government to pay for these kids lunches and books that you claim they do not have.

Of course though, thankfully this is America and everyone has a equal chance to succeed. No one grows up in neighborhoods that are so impoverished that the schools can't even afford to provide breakfasts or books. Those children all made a very poor choice to be born in this world. Who needs a book or education to become a CRNA anyways?? **ROLLS EYES**

CRNA2007 · Jul 31, 2008

I'm sure he did a lot of sacrificing up in the whitehouse. Typical liberal rules are meant for other people to follow as well as taxes. I agree with disctatorships being made, like trying to stack the supreme court with justices and interning over 100,000 japanese in American style concentration camps.

True individual freedom cannot exist without economic
security and independence. People who are humgry and
out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are
made.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Message to Congress, 1944

The test of our progress is not whether we add more to
the abundance of those who have too much...it is
whether we provide enough for those who have
too little.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to
ability to pay. That is the only American principle."
FDR

I am pretty sure FDR did more for this country than JFK ever did...

Oh boy

July 4th 1964 - JFK
On Washington's birthday in 1861, standing right there, President-
elect Abraham Lincoln spoke in this hall on his way to the Nation's
Capital. And he paid a brief but eloquent tribute to the men who
wrote, who fought for, and who died for the Declaration of
Independence. Its essence, he said, was its promise not only of
liberty "to the people of this country, but hope to the world . . .
[hope] that in due time the weights should be lifted from the
shoulders of all men, and that all should have an equal chance."
Equal chances are not to be had in this country... Close but almost doesn't count does it........

Jolie, BSN · Jul 31, 2008

So what if the parents can't feed their children? Just let them starve? When grandma can't afford her meds? To bad?? People can't afford or qualify for medical insurance? TOO BAD PAL???

Stanley,

Given the sense of personal responsibility that was drilled into my head by my parents (who were of modest means), it is incomprehensible to me that anyone would bring a child into the world without a plan to support that child. Now, I am not naive. Having worked 11 years in OB and NICU, much of it in inner city hospitals, I am well aware that people experience unplanned pregnancies. I realize that families experience job loss, illness, disability and other unforseeable events that change their circumstances in life. I understand that people live in poverty and have great difficulty paying rent, managing healthcare expenses, providing utility services, finding a way to and from work, finding daycare, etc. I know just how expensive all of those things are, and I understand that people can and do struggle with providing these necessities for themselves and their families.

But, frankly, food is another thing altogether. Despite having worked with some families in desperate situations, I have never known a parent who has allowed a child to starve. Even the most seriously drug-addicted parents, even those with profound mental illness or developmental disabilities, even those whose understanding of basic infant care was in question, found a way to provide their children with sufficient breastmilk, formula and food to not only survive, but thrive. Given the network of social services, including WIC, food stamps, local food banks, church pantries, county health departments, clinics, etc, there is absolutely no excuse for a parent to put a child to bed hungry at night. Not in this country. And if one is doing so, he or she needs to be evaluated for fitness to parent.

Atheos · Jul 31, 2008

Puhlease,
every school in this country gets provided with free breakfast and free lunch for kids. There are so many free redundant give aways in this country there is no need to even have a parent around to raise a child. This fallacy of soup line America is just that a fallacy. I guess that's why their is an epidemic of obesity in poor neighborhoods because of the lack of nutrition. We spend about $22,000 per student in the DC school system that has a dropout rate of over 50%. To say that these schools are impoverished is absolutely absurd.
Those children didn't make a poor choice to be born that way, but their parents did and it is not my responsibility to pay for their poor choices. Odds are these children will grow up making the same poor choices. Their is nothing stopping YOU from breaking out your checkbook this minute and writing a check to the federal government to pay for these kids lunches and books that you claim they do not have.

First off they haven't gotten it yet. Do better Google research. Secondly most of it goes to bureaucracy and not spent directly on students. Thirldy in the first district wide report required by the No Child Left Behind act less than half of DC public schools (68 of 158) passed in both reading and math. High schools are particularly bad: of the 50 secondary schools in the district only 11 met the requirements for reading 7 met them in math.

Children make the poor choices they are taught. Violence is high, poverty is high, schools are failing. What choices do you think these children will make.

BTW - I do give money to DC book and clothing charities. There are never enough. I also work at shelters that feed these children before school...

I only make 35k$, rent a room, pay for school and still find money to help these kids...

CRNA2007 · Jul 31, 2008

No Stanley they don't need to starve. You start paying for them. When you liberals have to start footing the bills in this country then most of you will be singing a different tune. Why do libeerals find it so easy to be compassionate with other people's money? When the lip service liberals have to start footing the bills then they are up in arms about it.

That's a good speech. So what if the parents can't feed their children? Just let them starve? When grandma can't afford her meds? To bad?? People can't afford or qualify for medical insurance? TOO BAD PAL???
A lot of people think this way and sure it is a valid opinion. Of course all these people cry foul when it happens to them...

Atheos · Jul 31, 2008

No Stanley they don't need to starve. You start paying for them. When you liberals have to start footing the bills in this country then most of you will be singing a different tune. Why do libeerals find it so easy to be compassionate with other people's money? When the lip service liberals have to start footing the bills then they are up in arms about it.

I can pretty much guarantee you that the time and money I have spent in just the 3 years I have been here I could have spent on better things. I however put my money where my mouth is... Come to DC and ante up... Lay your chips down. Do something that doesn't personally benefit you. :)

Stop throwing insults and debate the issues...