Urge Congress to Support HR 5924: Legislation to Address Nursing Shortage
Bill will provide visas for properly qualified RNs
While the shortage of nursing and healthcare workers persists, a visa shortage has compounded the impact of the workforce shortage by limiting the ability of American hospitals to hire foreign nursing professionals.
The Emergency Nursing Supply Relief Act, (H.R. 5924), will help alleviate the nursing shortage by providing visas for properly qualified registered nurses to work in the U.S.
Take action now and urge your Representative in Congress to support H.R. 5924 and help alleviate the nursing workforce shortage.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that jobs for registered nurses will grow 23 percent by 2008. That's faster than the average for all other occupations. About half of the RN workforce will reach retirement age in the next 15 years. The average age of new graduates is 31. They are entering the profession at an older age and will have fewer years to work than nurses traditionally have had. Click here to read more about the nursing shortage.
The U.S. has a waiting list for employment-based visas for internationally-educated nurses. In response, H.R. 5924 would: (1) set aside 20,000 employment-based visas in each of the next three years for foreign-educated registered nurses and physical therapists; (2) provide funds to help U.S. nursing schools expand the domestic supply of nurses; and (3) establish a three-year pilot program aimed at keeping U.S. nurses in the workforce.
This bill is yet another bandaid to fixing the problems that face nursing. The bill is supported by hospitals and that should be the first clue that it works in their favor but not our. The price they would have to pay for these visa hardly puts a dent in the cost of what it will take to solve our nurse recruitment issue. The problem is that nurse educators are under paid when compared to acute care and the universities are unable to expand to accomadate more students due to lack of educators to teach. I and many other seasoned nurses would love to teach but can't afford the pay cut.
Please do some research on this bill and let you congressman and senators know that this is a bad idea.
American industry uses foreign workers to avoid needed reform and change. They are not looking out for our best interest.
This is not a slam against foreign nurses or their value or level of skill as nurses.
It is a good thing it is the last hope because the first hope is quality compassionate and culturally appropriate care for Americans.
The solution is better pay and working conditions for American nurses who are the most devoted in the world, sometimes to a fault. American nurses are not only the best nurses in the world, but deserve to be treated fairly and not threatened with foreign nurses who will work more hours for less pay and do not understand American culture and patients! It is wanted by the hospital associations so the smell should be familiar.
Deflate wages and disempower American nurses is the title of this bill.
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
It is a good thing it is the last hope because the first hope is quality compassionate and culturally appropriate care for Americans.
The solution is better pay and working conditions for American nurses who are the most devoted in the world, sometimes to a fault. American nurses are not only the best nurses in the world, but deserve to be treated fairly and not threatened with foreign nurses who will work more hours for less pay and do not understand American culture and patients! It is wanted by the hospital associations so the smell should be familiar.
Deflate wages and disempower American nurses is the title of this bill.
You guys are killing me. Nursing has told the American people that there is a nursing shortage. The word "crisis" was actually used. We told people their lives and the lives of their loved ones are in danger. Guess what? Everyone believed us, and why shouldn't they? We are the most trusted profession are we not? So what happened then? Well, since nursing is always shouting "We are a profession!" some assumed that as a profession we would surely be able to come up with a solution...
We didn't.
So here is an opportunity to get more nurses to the bedside and people are saying, "Uggg, foreign nurses will be bad for our wages..." Oops, you see, silly me, I thought it was about the patient. My bad. Where exactly do you guys think all of this money is supposed to come from? What do you think a nurse should be paid? I can't help but think that a nurse right out of a two year program can be making 40-50K a year (without OT), and that is not bad. If that person wants to go for the big bucks there are certainly options such as advanced practice, CRNA, etc. So again what should a nurse make? A dollar more? Ten? Twenty more? Should an ER nurse make more than a med surge nurse or an ICU nurse? You tell me, but first, again, tell me where the money is going to come from? Hospitals that run their budgets like the government does go out of business. Hospitals that remain within their budgets have hard choices to make.
How many big city nursing home nurses are reading this right now? Just who do you think staffs those facilities? Americans can be awfully picky about the jobs they choose. Don't believe me? Just go check out the nursing homes in Chicago, then tell me how they would operate without foreign trained nurses.
I don't think not wanting foreign trained nurses has to do with racism, but most certainly it doesn't have anything to do with compassion caring or some of those other apparent nursing euphemisms.
You guys are killing me. Nursing has told the American people that there is a nursing shortage. The word "crisis" was actually used. We told people their lives and the lives of their loved ones are in danger. Guess what? Everyone believed us, and why shouldn't they? We are the most trusted profession are we not? So what happened then? Well, since nursing is always shouting "We are a profession!" some assumed that as a profession we would surely be able to come up with a solution...
We didn't.
So here is an opportunity to get more nurses to the bedside and people are saying, "Uggg, foreign nurses will be bad for our wages..." Oops, you see, silly me, I thought it was about the patient. My bad. Where exactly do you guys think all of this money is supposed to come from? What do you think a nurse should be paid? I can't help but think that a nurse right out of a two year program can be making 40-50K a year (without OT), and that is not bad. If that person wants to go for the big bucks there are certainly options such as advanced practice, CRNA, etc. So again what should a nurse make? A dollar more? Ten? Twenty more? Should an ER nurse make more than a med surge nurse or an ICU nurse? You tell me, but first, again, tell me where the money is going to come from? Hospitals that run their budgets like the government does go out of business. Hospitals that remain within their budgets have hard choices to make.
How many big city nursing home nurses are reading this right now? Just who do you think staffs those facilities? Americans can be awfully picky about the jobs they choose. Don't believe me? Just go check out the nursing homes in Chicago, then tell me how they would operate without foreign trained nurses.
I don't think not wanting foreign trained nurses has to do with racism, but most certainly it doesn't have anything to do with compassion caring or some of those other apparent nursing euphemisms.
Ivan
PARDON ME!!! Where is the money going to come from? We can start with inflated administratiive salaries and bloated administrative budgets. Do we really need anymore Vice Presidents of the Bathroom Facilities? Or how about the three star lobbies while the nursing staff crowds into a three by nothing break room to eat their meals (if the have time- maybe we should just shut these down, as well- those nurses have too much free time on their hands if they have time to eat a meal).
Many American born and bred nurses would love to work in nursing homes. Have you checked out the staffing ratios in these places? Foreign nurses work there to stay in the good old US of A. They don't complain because they will be sent home to their home countries in disgrace.
I have all of the compassion for my patients. But I draw the line with outrageous staffing, poor pay and benefits, and complete disrespect from everyone. And yes, we are worried that an influx of thousands of foreign nurses from third world countries WILL, and HAS driven down wages and bargaining power of American nurses. Just look what has happened in other careers when management brought in a flood of foreign workers because, "these are jobs that Americans won't do". Where have we heard that before?
In case you haven't noticed, hospitals and nursing homes are trying to destroy the nursing profession as we know, it and keep us under their thumb. That is and has been the push to discourage unionizing by the nursing profession. Unionized nurses, like the California Nurses Association, have become a thorn in the side of corporate America AKA the American Hospital Association and the Nursing Home Industry.
They will stop at NOTHING to accomplish that goal. Think out side the box, ladies and gentlemen. And take a good look at what THEIR AGENDA IS!! And by the way, whose side are you on? And it IS about the patient. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
PARDON ME!!! Where is the money going to come from? We can start with inflated administratiive salaries and bloated administrative budgets. Do we really need anymore Vice Presidents of the Bathroom Facilities? Or how about the three star lobbies while the nursing staff crowds into a three by nothing break room to eat their meals (if the have time- maybe we should just shut these down, as well- those nurses have too much free time on their hands if they have time to eat a meal).
Many American born and bred nurses would love to work in nursing homes. Have you checked out the staffing ratios in these places? Foreign nurses work there to stay in the good old US of A. They don't complain because they will be sent home to their home countries in disgrace.
I have all of the compassion for my patients. But I draw the line with outrageous staffing, poor pay and benefits, and complete disrespect from everyone. And yes, we are worried that an influx of thousands of foreign nurses from third world countries WILL, and HAS driven down wages and bargaining power of American nurses. Just look what has happened in other careers when management brought in a flood of foreign workers because, "these are jobs that Americans won't do". Where have we heard that before?
In case you haven't noticed, hospitals and nursing homes are trying to destroy the nursing profession as we know, it and keep us under their thumb. That is and has been the push to discourage unionizing by the nursing profession. Unionized nurses, like the California Nurses Association, have become a thorn in the side of corporate America AKA the American Hospital Association and the Nursing Home Industry.
They will stop at NOTHING to accomplish that goal. Think out side the box, ladies and gentlemen. And take a good look at what THEIR AGENDA IS!! And by the way, whose side are you on? And it IS about the patient. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
Side? I am not on anyone's side. I enjoy the work. I love what I do. I get paid a fair wage (about 48k/yr, no OT). I get four days off a week for family and school. Would I love to make more money. Sure. Do I deserve to make more? Not sure. As compared to who? What exactly is it about this job that we deserve more money as compared to teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, paramedics? Because we are caring (as evidenced by all the kind words regarding foreigners in this and other forums at Allnurses)? Everyone should be caring so that can't be it. That we save lives? I might make a difference, but it would be hubris for me to think I save lives. So again, what exactly is that you do that is worth ______ amount of dollars. I would love to hear the amount that a) you deserve and b) would make you content.
"Many American born and bred nurses would love to work in nursing homes"
Not sure how to approach this. There is most definitely innuendo there, but I will give this a shot. They would love to, but they don't in many areas. Is that what you are saying. Why don't they? The ratios? Old people? Boring? Low money? I mean what? If good ol American "born and bred" nurses won't do it then who? What is your solution? Let the unions figure it out? Is that it? Is that the best you got?
I am sure there are many horrible places to work. What profession does that NOT apply to? Yet there are many places that are great to work and you don't seem to mention them. Three star lobbies and high paid CEOs are not in my wish list either, but what are the figures on the "drain" they put on nursing?
You are worried about your breakroom? I will leave that one alone considering that in these economic times when people are losing their jobs, homes, and hope. Good luck with your struggle for a better break room. Hope that works out for you.
PARDON ME!!! Where is the money going to come from? We can start with inflated administratiive salaries and bloated administrative budgets. Do we really need anymore Vice Presidents of the Bathroom Facilities? Or how about the three star lobbies while the nursing staff crowds into a three by nothing break room to eat their meals (if the have time- maybe we should just shut these down, as well- those nurses have too much free time on their hands if they have time to eat a meal).
Many American born and bred nurses would love to work in nursing homes. Have you checked out the staffing ratios in these places? Foreign nurses work there to stay in the good old US of A. They don't complain because they will be sent home to their home countries in disgrace.
I have all of the compassion for my patients. But I draw the line with outrageous staffing, poor pay and benefits, and complete disrespect from everyone. And yes, we are worried that an influx of thousands of foreign nurses from third world countries WILL, and HAS driven down wages and bargaining power of American nurses. Just look what has happened in other careers when management brought in a flood of foreign workers because, "these are jobs that Americans won't do". Where have we heard that before?
In case you haven't noticed, hospitals and nursing homes are trying to destroy the nursing profession as we know, it and keep us under their thumb. That is and has been the push to discourage unionizing by the nursing profession. Unionized nurses, like the California Nurses Association, have become a thorn in the side of corporate America AKA the American Hospital Association and the Nursing Home Industry.
They will stop at NOTHING to accomplish that goal. Think out side the box, ladies and gentlemen. And take a good look at what THEIR AGENDA IS!! And by the way, whose side are you on? And it IS about the patient. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
Thanks Lindarn! You have put your finger on their agenda!
Side? I am not on anyone's side. I enjoy the work. I love what I do. I get paid a fair wage (about 48k/yr, no OT). I get four days off a week for family and school. Would I love to make more money. Sure. Do I deserve to make more? Not sure. As compared to who? What exactly is it about this job that we deserve more money as compared to teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, paramedics? Because we are caring (as evidenced by all the kind words regarding foreigners in this and other forums at Allnurses)? Everyone should be caring so that can't be it. That we save lives? I might make a difference, but it would be hubris for me to think I save lives. So again, what exactly is that you do that is worth ______ amount of dollars. I would love to hear the amount that a) you deserve and b) would make you content.
"Many American born and bred nurses would love to work in nursing homes"
Not sure how to approach this. There is most definitely innuendo there, but I will give this a shot. They would love to, but they don't in many areas. Is that what you are saying. Why don't they? The ratios? Old people? Boring? Low money? I mean what? If good ol American "born and bred" nurses won't do it then who? What is your solution? Let the unions figure it out? Is that it? Is that the best you got?
I am sure there are many horrible places to work. What profession does that NOT apply to? Yet there are many places that are great to work and you don't seem to mention them. Three star lobbies and high paid CEOs are not in my wish list either, but what are the figures on the "drain" they put on nursing?
You are worried about your breakroom? I will leave that one alone considering that in these economic times when people are losing their jobs, homes, and hope. Good luck with your struggle for a better break room. Hope that works out for you.
So you don't think that nurses save lives? So you feel that you are paid a fair wage to compensate you for the understaffing, overwork, and yes, saving lives? Why don't more American nurses want to work in nursing homes? The low wages and benefits are a start, but the real reason is the tremendous understaffing in these facilities and the risk to one's license to work there under these conditions. Nursing home corporate owners are making million, with no oversight. The claim they need more money, the feds comply, and the money goes into the pockets of CEO, instead of improved staffing.
My point about the breakrooms, was to point out where hospital CEOs feel is more important to put their money. Certainly not the nursing staff who keep them in business. You are taking my statement out of context. Money that could and should be used for the reason that hospital exist, that is patient care, better staffing ratios, instead goes to CEO perks, and fancy lobbies, etc, that cover up the problems and barriers to quality patient care.
Myself and others went to nursing school becaue we wanted to work in a profession that helped others. For that dedication, we are told that it "shouldn't be about money". Really. Is that why doctors make six figure salaries? Shouldn't they be content to make $50, 000 a year, like the rest of us? Oh, they went to school a long time? Well so did I and millions of other nurses. Where is my reward? Or are nurses not worthy of monetary rewards, just the nebulous rewards of "helping people? The last time I checked, that did not pay bills, or put money in the back.
High paid CEO salaries put a drain on nurses when the money paid theses individuals should be going to the caregivers who are actually taking care of patients, instead of going to individuals who accomplish nothing more than wearing holes in the seats of their pants, and claiming six figure salaries. You know, why people are in the hospital in the first place? Patient care by the nursing staff. I don't recall anyone dying because there was no CEO at their bedside. There are numerous studies, like the one from the IOM, that validates that low staffing levels of RNs leads to higher mortality and morbidity rates.
Yes, there are other "horrible places to work", but how many of them are responsible for people'e lives in the context that nursing is. Police and fireman are paid far better salaries that nurses, have excellant union protection, and have a fair amount of control of their profession. So do teachers. No one ever died because they couldn't do long division, diagram a sentence or recite the Gettysburg address. But thousands of patients HAVE DIED, because there was not enough nurses to care for them. Check out the current research on staffing ratios. It is there for the reading and education.
I am sorry that you don't feel that nurses are worthy of higher pay for all that we contribute to positive patient outcomes. You might do some homework before you make the inflammatory statements that you have made. It is hubris for you to think that your insulting comments should be considered important. JMHO and my NY $0.02.
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
so you don't think that nurses save lives? so you feel that you are paid a fair wage to compensate you for the understaffing, overwork, and yes, saving lives? why don't more american nurses want to work in nursing homes? the low wages and benefits are a start, but the real reason is the tremendous understaffing in these facilities and the risk to one's license to work there under these conditions. nursing home corporate owners are making million, with no oversight. the claim they need more money, the feds comply, and the money goes into the pockets of ceo, instead of improved staffing.
my point about the breakrooms, was to point out where hospital ceos feel is more important to put their money. certainly not the nursing staff who keep them in business. you are taking my statement out of context. money that could and should be used for the reason that hospital exist, that is patient care, better staffing ratios, instead goes to ceo perks, and fancy lobbies, etc, that cover up the problems and barriers to quality patient care.
myself and others went to nursing school becaue we wanted to work in a profession that helped others. for that dedication, we are told that it "shouldn't be about money". really. is that why doctors make six figure salaries? shouldn't they be content to make $50, 000 a year, like the rest of us? oh, they went to school a long time? well so did i and millions of other nurses. where is my reward? or are nurses not worthy of monetary rewards, just the nebulous rewards of "helping people? the last time i checked, that did not pay bills, or put money in the back.
high paid ceo salaries put a drain on nurses when the money paid theses individuals should be going to the caregivers who are actually taking care of patients, instead of going to individuals who accomplish nothing more than wearing holes in the seats of their pants, and claiming six figure salaries. you know, why people are in the hospital in the first place? patient care by the nursing staff. i don't recall anyone dying because there was no ceo at their bedside. there are numerous studies, like the one from the iom, that validates that low staffing levels of rns leads to higher mortality and morbidity rates.
yes, there are other "horrible places to work", but how many of them are responsible for people'e lives in the context that nursing is. police and fireman are paid far better salaries that nurses, have excellant union protection, and have a fair amount of control of their profession. so do teachers. no one ever died because they couldn't do long division, diagram a sentence or recite the gettysburg address. but thousands of patients have died, because there was not enough nurses to care for them. check out the current research on staffing ratios. it is there for the reading and education.
i am sorry that you don't feel that nurses are worthy of higher pay for all that we contribute to positive patient outcomes. you might do some homework before you make the inflammatory statements that you have made. it is hubris for you to think that your insulting comments should be considered important. jmho and my ny $0.02.
lindarn, rn, bsn, ccrn
spokane, washington
there is a big difference in savings lives v. lives lost due to unsafe staffing or incompetence. big difference. when did i ever indicate that better staffing is not paramount? i agree with you completely about the nursing shortage. as i have posted elsewhere we as nurses have called it not just a shortage but a crisis. we told people lives were at stake. i agree with that. studies bear that out, and it just makes sense. so where is the nursing solution to the problem? it is a cop out to say more money. i still have not seen anything to lead me to believe that ceo wages are keeping nurse wages down. i am not saying that information is not out there, i just haven't seen it. so i will ask again, where is this money going to come from? insurance companies, the government, or the patients are the three choices that come to mind.
so if we can get nurses from other countries that are qualified, then why not. they get a chance to live better, work becomes a safer place for everyone, and it is not like there still won't be a nursing shortage. your wages will be safe.
could hospitals expenditures be streamlined and monies better spent. sure. but that waste comes from every level. how many times have you seen waste committed by fellow staff? i am not saying it is malicious, but sometimes people are not as mindful of their work habits when it comes to saving money.
paramedics, firefighters, and cops in general don't make as much as nurses, but i am sure that is market dependent. i am a paramedic and former police officer, and i can attest to the really low wages of those two professions.
the nurse v. doc thing is tiresome. it takes two to four years to become an rn, it takes much longer to become a physician. didactic v. didactic, clinical v. clinical, physician training is more intense and lengthy. if you have been in school a long time (as have i) then that is on us. i agree that a sharp nursing staff is a big attraction for patients, but the reality is patients are more likely to pick a location for a specialty provider, location, or insurance reasons than for good nursing. i have never questioned anyone’s motives about their job pick as long as they are good at their job. i know nurses whose altruistic motives were not as high as their economical ones. nothing wrong with that. there is nothing wrong with a nurse trying to improve their working conditions or pay, but within reason. i applaud the efforts of those who work tirelessly to improve nurse lives. but this aversion to nurses who are not “born and bred” in the usa is ridiculous and racist and does not belong in the profession for which i am proud to be a part of. i wonder how many nurses we have lost because of lateral violence directed at them because they were not "born and bred" in the usa?
You guys are killing me. Nursing has told the American people that there is a nursing shortage. The word "crisis" was actually used. We told people their lives and the lives of their loved ones are in danger. Guess what? Everyone believed us, and why shouldn't they? We are the most trusted profession are we not? So what happened then? Well, since nursing is always shouting "We are a profession!" some assumed that as a profession we would surely be able to come up with a solution...
We didn't.
So here is an opportunity to get more nurses to the bedside and people are saying, "Uggg, foreign nurses will be bad for our wages..." Oops, you see, silly me, I thought it was about the patient. My bad. Where exactly do you guys think all of this money is supposed to come from? What do you think a nurse should be paid? I can't help but think that a nurse right out of a two year program can be making 40-50K a year (without OT), and that is not bad. If that person wants to go for the big bucks there are certainly options such as advanced practice, CRNA, etc. So again what should a nurse make? A dollar more? Ten? Twenty more? Should an ER nurse make more than a med surge nurse or an ICU nurse? You tell me, but first, again, tell me where the money is going to come from? Hospitals that run their budgets like the government does go out of business. Hospitals that remain within their budgets have hard choices to make.
How many big city nursing home nurses are reading this right now? Just who do you think staffs those facilities? Americans can be awfully picky about the jobs they choose. Don't believe me? Just go check out the nursing homes in Chicago, then tell me how they would operate without foreign trained nurses.
I don't think not wanting foreign trained nurses has to do with racism, but most certainly it doesn't have anything to do with compassion caring or some of those other apparent nursing euphemisms.
Ivan
I think you are missing the point. If a person comes to America like so many have before them to make their future in this great nation and they happen to be a nurse then we should welcome them with open arms. But if, as it is happening today, they are being agressively recruited to fill gaps in our numbers becuase administrators see them as a cheaper alternative to the real problems that face our profession that are running American nurses from the bedside. Issues like high ratios, lack of trained assistants, unsafe floating practices and lack available educators to train more American nurses are just a few. If you examine almost any industry in America, foreign imported employees ultimatley hurt American born employees and ultimatley the industry. Also we should not forget the drain that we are imposing on places like Puerto Rico that are also facing a hugh nursing shortage. Its not all about the wages but also about the quality of care and quality ofthe work force.
Foreign nurses are allowing the industry to avoid the change that is needed to improve the working conditions in both acute and sub acute care. Most nurses won't work nursing homes due to the unsafe ratios of 15-30+ to one RN. Which you and I both know are unsafe.
As to the money and where it will come from, we should start with the bloated CEO salaries and bonuses. For example the CEO, CFO and Chief legal Officer at HCA clear over 5 million a year before bonuses. They are not even in the top ten.
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
i think you are missing the point. if a person comes to america like so many have before them to make their future in this great nation and they happen to be a nurse then we should welcome them with open arms. but if, as it is happening today, they are being agressively recruited to fill gaps in our numbers becuase administrators see them as a cheaper alternative to the real problems that face our profession that are running american nurses from the bedside. issues like high ratios, lack of trained assistants, unsafe floating practices and lack available educators to train more american nurses are just a few. if you examine almost any industry in america, foreign imported employees ultimatley hurt american born employees and ultimatley the industry. also we should not forget the drain that we are imposing on places like puerto rico that are also facing a hugh nursing shortage. its not all about the wages but also about the quality of care and quality ofthe work force.
foreign nurses are allowing the industry to avoid the change that is needed to improve the working conditions in both acute and sub acute care. most nurses won't work nursing homes due to the unsafe ratios of 15-30+ to one rn. which you and i both know are unsafe.
as to the money and where it will come from, we should start with the bloated ceo salaries and bonuses. for example the ceo, cfo and chief legal officer at hca clear over 5 million a year before bonuses. they are not even in the top ten.
you make some good points. particularly about draining another location of its nurses. but that happens here already. when ratios were mandated in california nurses from all over the country flocked to work there in stints of a week or so. where did those nurses come from? i know some that travel from georgia to do so. don't you think travel agencies are taking nursing staff from somewhere else to fulfill their client’s needs? how is that not the exact same thing?
you say you welcome people that come here to work yet we want to punish them (and our patients) for the motives of their agencies and the hospital/ltc leadership. i agree with you that looking for a cheaper alternative is a motivation for some of these organizations. i find that ironic in that i sometimes see the nurse practitioner role sometimes promoted as a money saving opportunity for clinics etc.
please give me an example of that negative industry foreign worker relationship you spoke of. i will agree that is happens but you say look at any of them? that doesn't track at all.
when people say things like “born and bred” in the usa, i am sorry, that just smacks of racism.
while i agree about some of the motivations you listed regarding nursing home work. i think even if the ratios were better nursing homes would still have problems with staffing. i don’t know a single nurse that wants to work in a nursing home and it has nothing to do with pay or staffing. it is just not the work that appeals to them. you may be right that staffing would improve with better pay and ratios, but i don’t know by how much. so where do we turn then?
lastly, again, regarding ceo payouts/salaries. i am one of those people who detests the idea of bloated ceo salaries/bonuses. but add them all up and compare them to the total payout to nurses. what would the percentages be? i know it might be hard to believe, but some of these ceos are decent hard working people. the former ceo of my hospital was beloved. he was a great person. he picked his successor and she is beloved and well respected.
when people say things like “born and bred” in the usa, i am sorry, that just smacks of racism.
are you kidding me? i do not believe that phrase was used anywhere but even if it were, it is not racism. i am just curious where you went to school and if they taught sociology there or if it was required in your curriculum? here in indiana it is.
i now see that you are an asn nurse which is good but i also see you have listed you are in the fnp program. is this some kind of online thing? a new asn to fnp jump?
back to my principle point, i am not going to apologize for my cognizance of the fact that american nurses are the best nurses in the world nor buy your malarkey that believing so is racist. i presume that in your fnp "jump" program at some point you will take a sociology course and realize what racism is and is not. american nurses can best take care of american patients or any others for that matter.
the definition of patriotism is love of or devotion to one's country. that american nurses are the best... while true, also happens to be a matter of patriotic pride!
Specializes in ER and family advanced nursing practice.
Many American born and bred nurses...
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
Are you kidding me? I do not believe that phrase was used anywhere but even if it were, it is not racism. I am just curious where you went to school and if they taught sociology there or if it was required in your curriculum? Here in Indiana it is.
I now see that you are an ASN nurse which is good but I also see you have listed you are in the FNP program. Is this some kind of online thing? A new ASN to FNP jump?
Back to my principle point, I am not going to apologize for my cognizance of the fact that American nurses are the best nurses in the world nor buy your malarkey that believing so is racist. I presume that in your FNP "jump" program at some point you will take a sociology course and realize what racism is and is not. American nurses can best take care of American patients or any others for that matter.
The definition of patriotism is love of or devotion to one's country. That American nurses are the best... while true, also happens to be a matter of patriotic pride!
No sir, I would not kid you, and the answer to your question would be yes. I have taken sociology, and since you live in Indiana and in Indiana it is required then you won't have to look up ethnocentric. I learned that word well before I began my FNP program using that "online thing". So, please tell me, since you have cognizance of American nursing superiority, please cite your facts. What are your peer reviewed sources? Where is your evidence? I have worked with nurses from England, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, multiple countries in Africa, the Philippines, and others. I have also been a patient of and taken care of by German nurses. While I think nurses from the US are great, I can't honestly say I see an appreciable difference from US nurses v. their international counterparts in terms of patient outcomes, patient satisfaction, or staff satisfaction. You want to say it is national pride then go ahead. I think it is arrogance.
advocateforsafety
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This bill is yet another bandaid to fixing the problems that face nursing. The bill is supported by hospitals and that should be the first clue that it works in their favor but not our. The price they would have to pay for these visa hardly puts a dent in the cost of what it will take to solve our nurse recruitment issue. The problem is that nurse educators are under paid when compared to acute care and the universities are unable to expand to accomadate more students due to lack of educators to teach. I and many other seasoned nurses would love to teach but can't afford the pay cut.
Please do some research on this bill and let you congressman and senators know that this is a bad idea.
American industry uses foreign workers to avoid needed reform and change. They are not looking out for our best interest.
This is not a slam against foreign nurses or their value or level of skill as nurses.