Did anyone who Graduated from Excelsior College had problems when trying.

[northernnyLPN]

Hello,

I've just sent in my first payment to start taking classes from Excelsior to get my ADN. When I called the school where I got my LPN, I was told by the director that Colleges are not recognizing ADN from Excelsior college because they do not have a Clinical Component. Is this true, I did call Excelsior and was told that California will no longer accept students from Excelsior to sit for the Boards. But those that are already enrolled will be allowed but no new students. Has anyone had any problems in the past or present with going on to get your BSN from a different colleg? Say Pace University or Stony Brook? Thank you for any information you can give me. I don't want to be halfway through with Excelsior and find out it will be useless to me..

Thanks:)

[Sheri257]

Excelsior rejecting my application. Pretty funny. I've never applied to the Excelsior program. With all of the problems out here, why would I even want to do that? :chuckle

I guess if I was repeatedly posting that EC is greatest program in the world, and the California decision was some wild conspiracy against EC, then you wouldn't complain. Seems like people post that a lot, over and over again, but that's somehow not repetitive.

Oh well ... I guess it's to be expected.

[RN34TX]

Inquiring minds want to know!

Oh please Chris! We all know that she failed. The only people who seem to be interested in frequenting the EC boards and slamming EC are the failed would- be RN's on some mission. Why else would she be so interested in participating in all of the EC discussions? And be so persistant?

I don't frequent message boards of schools that I never went to or even applied at. Does anyone else out there? Why would I care about what goes on at UTA if I never went to school there?

Of all the stuff I've been reading on this thread, my favorite one was the remark about nursing schools not caring about or pulling out from NLN accreditation. (Sorry Lizz if I didn't quote it perfect but it was a little ways back in this thread.)

That would be like a hospital not caring about Joint Commision accreditation.

I've been licensed in 4 other states. When you apply for licensure in another state one of the first things they want to know is whether or not the school you graduated from is NLN accredited. If it is not, you may have some trouble and additional hoops to jump through in obtaining licensure in another state. Any traveling nurse will tell you that.

And as far as the "legal" aspects of her secrecy, it reminds me of my last day of the CPNE when the van driver told me that when he picks up the failed students at the hospital that it is very common for him to hear them threatening a lawsuit against EC right after they fail.

[Sheri257]

Oh please Chris! We all know that she failed.

Of all the stuff I've been reading on this thread, my favorite one was the remark about nursing schools not caring about or pulling out from NLN accreditation.

And as far as the "legal" aspects of her secrecy, it reminds me of my last day of the CPNE when the van driver told me that when he picks up the failed students at the hospital that it is very common for him to hear them threatening a lawsuit against EC right after they fail.

We'll see if the moderator lets this comment stand, but I didn't fail anything in the EC program because I've never even attempted to enroll.

I worked on some legal cases involving liability caused by EC grads. I'm sure you'll slam me for this, but I really can't say any more than that. Despite your conspiracy theories, a major enforcement action like the California BORN decision doesn't happen for arbitrary reasons.

BTW, here's the thread which discussed schools' voluntary withdrawl from the NLN. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe them.

https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67399

Funny how you guys always resort to personal attacks, instead of debating the subject at hand.

[RN34TX]

We'll see if the moderator lets this comment stand, but I didn't fail anything in the EC program because I've never even attempted to enroll.

I worked on some legal cases involving liability caused by EC grads. I'm sure you'll slam me for this, but I really can't say any more than that. Despite your conspiracy theories, a major enforcement action like the California BORN decision doesn't happen for arbitrary reasons.

BTW, here's the thread which discussed schools' voluntary withdrawl from the NLN. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe them.

https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67399

Funny how you guys always resort to personal attacks, instead of debating the subject at hand.

I apologize if I am wrong in guessing you as a failed Excelsior student, but you sure do sound like one.

I won't even touch your legal involvement with EC grads, this country has enough of a "lottery mentality" when it comes to lawsuits. I can only hope that you are not trying to gain compensation for families who think their loved ones would have had better outcomes had they not been taken care of by EC grads.

Also, I thought that I was debating the subject at hand even though you took my comment as a personal attack. I read the posts you indicated and Florida schools can do what they wish, but I'm telling you that graduating from a non-NLN accredited school can set you up for problems down the road trying to get licensure in another state.

If schools pull out of NLN, who will be monitoring their programs? If I were a student I would be scared that the instructors could basically do as they wish with no one to answer to.

Again, I apologize if indeed I am wrong about your background, but I've seen a lot of bitterness online after someone doesn't make it through the program and your comments and continued participation in EC discussions made me very suspicious.

[Sheri257]

Again, I apologize if indeed I am wrong about your background, but I've seen a lot of bitterness online after someone doesn't make it through the program and your comments and continued participation in EC discussions made me very suspicious.

I appreciate the apology and thank you. You guys are passionate about this issue for your reasons, and I have mine. I can understand why you might think that, but I've never enrolled in EC or attempted to. If you don't want to believe it, no hard feelings on that either. Perhaps we can just agree to disgree, if that's possible.

[ddc101]

Thanks for the encouragement.I have not yet decided my entire route of passage.I have been thinking along the lines of clepping all the trivial courses and getting back on LSU's clinical rotation.Which would actually cut out alot of time.I have been an LPN for twelve years and have mucho clinical experience.BTW in Florida there were folks graduating from a junior college with an Associates degree who were right out of school and made supervisors.Very scary to say the least.And also when orders go out on the hospital floor we all get the same work to do except for the nursing supervisor who tends to everyone else.So as far as the amount of knowledge an LPN of many years has don't even think it is less superior to an RN.There is a lot of experience that goes on in hands on nursing that cannot be learned in college.You have to do like the old Nike ad says, Just do It!

Thanks to all for the good advice.

[BBFRN, BSN, PhD]

ddc- I agree...most people will learn 10 times more in their first 6 months as a new nurse on the floor than they learn in their entire stint in school (as far as clinical learning goes). On my floor, I've had more advanced Med/Surg, Psych, etc. than I care to have...lol. In my experience, I had a greater benefit from the more intense didactic education than I would have with clinical ed. I don't think that's true for everyone, but that's my situation. Thoes without much floor experience can benefit by doing nurse externships (and get paid to get clinical nursing experience). It may not be for everyone, but it's a great option.

[ddc101]

Thoes without much floor experience can benefit by doing nurse externships Explain this in further detail please or maybe start a new thread.Good topic.ddc

[BBFRN, BSN, PhD]

ddc-

Most hospitals have Nurse Extern slots now, to help nursing students matriculate clinically into floor nursing. They are limited in what kinds of things they can do (can't pass meds, admit, etc.), but they do learn a lot during the externship. They are paired with a mentor, like a preceptor and are helped in getting clinical experience while in school. At my facility, one has to be within 1 year of graduating to do an externship, and from what I hear, the pay is a bit higher than the Tech pay. For anyone interested in doing an externship, call your local hospitals and see what they have to offer and what their criteria are for getting a slot. It's a great way to get clinical hours under your belt.

[ddc101]

ddc-

Most hospitals have Nurse Extern slots now, to help nursing students matriculate clinically into floor nursing. They are limited in what kinds of things they can do (can't pass meds, admit, etc.), but they do learn a lot during the externship. They are paired with a mentor, like a preceptor and are helped in getting clinical experience while in school. At my facility, one has to be within 1 year of graduating to do an externship, and from what I hear, the pay is a bit higher than the Tech pay. For anyone interested in doing an externship, call your local hospitals and see what they have to offer and what their criteria are for getting a slot. It's a great way to get clinical hours under your belt.

Thanks for the great advice.Its going to be different being an RN after being and Lpn for so many years.I am going to need the extra clinical work.

[chris_at_lucas_RN, RN]

Don't underestimate yourself. Despite what others on this thread (and elsewhere) may suggest, you have tremendous experience--you'll be surprised what you already know!

Good luck, and welcome to our happy little party!

[BBFRN, BSN, PhD]

ddc- I wouldn't worry about doing an externship if you are already an acute care LPN. I say this because in my facility, nurse externs can't do as much clinically as the LPNs (except care planning stuff). I was able to do that as an LPN where I work, and the RNs signed off after me (I got more $ for LPN than I would've for an externship, too). I guess it all depends on where your focus of experience is. Most of the EC curriculum is focused on acute care and community health issues. I had a study buddy who worked in a clinic, and whose main experience was in community health (LPNx12 years), and she did just fine. But- if you're planning on working in acute care after you get your RN, and you don't have much experience in that area, an externship could still be the way to go for you so you can get immersed in that field, and can help to keep a job slot open for you when you graduate.