Customer Service...........yay or nay?

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Remember going to school and learning the older, crazy approaches to medicine that people used to practice:

Drilling holes in the head to relieve sickness, letting spirits out.

The belief that sickness was a punishment from God and was a direct result of sins.

Civil War doctors who removed limbs the second someone was shot/scrapped in the leg because it avoided infection.

Those are the one's I can recall right at this moment. I know there are more. Today, we are in a stage of major change within our health system. There is a push for "customer service" that was not there before. It is no longer simply something schools/administration talk about, it is expected. Surveys asking if the nurses fetched your AM coffee on time type questions abound. Doctors who talk down to or belittle patients are no longer tolerated by hospital administration. Compensation to facilities can be reduced despite properly caring for the illness because it was not done with a smile.

Do you think this is simply the "vogue" theory of today and will eventually be replaced, or is it truly a push towards a new future in healthcare?

I am undecided TBH. I don't agree with the degree in which the "customer satisfaction" is being made a priority. Its almost as if hospitals would fare better with the general public and the powers that be if we simply stopped treating illness and took on a Bed And Breakfast style of treatment. To this I say "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it." Already I see managers pushing "smile when you enter the room" when they should be concerned with possible med errors and pt's being transferred to their unit who are not appropriate for said unit.

Its almost as if there is this "We need to get paid, times are tough. Just give them what they want" surrender going on with hospitals and facilities. So, what you are telling me is, no problem if a pt. receives another patients meds or is aspirating their own meds..................so long as we smile and make everything happy.

Seems to me some patients should just save themselves the hassle and just to to Denny's or go on vacation. They could get all that at a quarter of the cost.

I don't know if good medical treatment always lends to good customer service. If you've ever worked on a M/S unit with the non-compliant diabetic you know what I mean. They want snacks that don't conform to their diet at all constantly, and are very upset if they are not granted. Then you have the smoker who insists he is SOB because the doctor doesn't know how to order the right inhaler................the COPD has nothing to do with smoking over a pack a day. And we have all seen the pt. who just refused to break out of the sickness "asking for help" role and start doing for themselves. They refuse PT/OT, want everything done for them and are going to end up in a nursing home if they don't get their bottoms out of bed. But, if you tell them they must start being more active in their own ADLs, you are a jaded/bad nurse and the survey scores reflect this.

We are, very frequently, in a position of having to tell the truth, even when said truth is not "nice" or lends itself to "customer service". What benefit are we giving our pt. when we stash the truth in order to earn better survey scores? Yes, in the short term they are very pleased with the quickness in which we fetch the third ice cream they request, but when their foot is amputated..........what do they think of our service to them then? Truth is, if "customer satisfaction" promoted healing, Denny's would have people walking after years of being wheelchair bound and Retail stores would be the place to go for that abd. pain. It doesn't work that way.

Customer service definitely has its place in the healthfield, but not to the degree it is being taken. Who amongst us doesn't know that grouchy, unhappy with EVERYTHING nurse who has been told to act differently with people..........and thinks it was long overdue. I know of two specific doctors who were mandated to take classes to improve their bedside manner (oh, how we all snickered at this). I don't think the expectation of respect and kindness are out of order. But is what we are doing now relative to this? Or are we going to read about ourselves in 20 years in some new nursing book "The customer satisfaction age of medical practice was dollar driven and lead to an increase in foot amputations blah blah.........."

Specializes in ICU, ER, EP,.

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If I wanted to hear about how the professional patients think I should do my job, dress or feel..... I'd go to work

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
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If I wanted to hear about how the professional patients think I should do my job, dress or feel..... I'd go to work

Yeah, I mentioned that in my thread "Nurse vs. Not Nurse" which focused on non-nurses posting in a nursing forum. I've always wondered, are these people the same that I see in my hospital on a monthly basis? In and out, in and out, never getting better, never willing to change. Life deteriorates to: a good day means the nurses pay lots of attention to you, a bad day is when everyone else on the unit needs more attention than you get. Nothing to do, not much going on in their lives to talk about so they have nothing to do but to sit and ponder how many different ways the "customer service" experience could be better for them. "I think there should be a foot massage nurse who fetches water and adjusts your blinds. There should be one for each pt. because obviously I can't be happy if there is too much sunlight in my room."

I know most are not that way, but..........I can't get that outta my head when I see a non-nurse posting. I mean, really, who, as a non-nurse, goes into a nursing forum and wants to chat about..........nursing? IDK. Its just odd to me.

Which brings us back to the point of this thread. THE WORST place to figure out what to do about customer service is to go to your customers. I'm not saying that as a nurse either, I'm saying that as a general citizen.

Think about it, does any other industry allow its "customers" to have so much say?

Do restaurant's let customers set the menu prices or decide what is on sale? Nope. Everything would be sold at a loss and instead of putting up stuff you need to move on sale, you'd have the popular dishes that sell anyway being sold at a discount price.

Do Cable Providers care if the installation man shows up right on time or let its customers pick their channel lineup exactly? Nope. Too many channels would never get picked and the cable guy would have to give up the "We'll be there between noon and six PM" habit.

Heck, even the lowly hooker has some say in what they are selling. They set the price and decide what is allowed and not. Not that.........I would know............anything about..............that.

If the medical field were truly to do what it says it is going to do and completely concede control to the general public...........well. You think things are a mess now? Wait and see. Prices go up as we staff for "Foot massge" nurses for each pt. and give everything away free.

Specializes in Health Information Management.
Yeah, I mentioned that in my thread "Nurse vs. Not Nurse" which focused on non-nurses posting in a nursing forum. I've always wondered, are these people the same that I see in my hospital on a monthly basis? In and out, in and out, never getting better, never willing to change. Life deteriorates to: a good day means the nurses pay lots of attention to you, a bad day is when everyone else on the unit needs more attention than you get. Nothing to do, not much going on in their lives to talk about so they have nothing to do but to sit and ponder how many different ways the "customer service" experience could be better for them. "I think there should be a foot massage nurse who fetches water and adjusts your blinds. There should be one for each pt. because obviously I can't be happy if there is too much sunlight in my room."

I know most are not that way, but..........I can't get that outta my head when I see a non-nurse posting. I mean, really, who, as a non-nurse, goes into a nursing forum and wants to chat about..........nursing? IDK. Its just odd to me.

Is it too hard to accept that some people (especially those from from allied health fields) might just want to learn more about what nurses face every day? I certainly can't speak for all non-nurse posters, but that's why I'm here. Crimony, plenty of nurses on here complain that people, both in the health professions and outside them, have no clue what nurses do, but when some of us try to educate ourselves, we're apparently weirdos with no lives. I'd rather not be an out-of-touch paper-pusher, that's all.

I'm basing my views on what I have seen and experienced YES as a patient and what I have seen family members go through dealing with healthcare and the conversations that have been raging for years.

Nurses and their family members are patients in hospitals, too. Believe it or not, sometimes we DO know what it's like to be the patient.

Slightly off topic, but you had to know that writing that you didn't choose to change bed pans for a living on nursing forum was going to ruffle some feathers.

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
Is it too hard to accept that some people (especially those from from allied health fields) might just want to learn more about what nurses face every day? I certainly can't speak for all non-nurse posters, but that's why I'm here. Crimony, plenty of nurses on here complain that people, both in the health professions and outside them, have no clue what nurses do, but when some of us try to educate ourselves, we're apparently weirdos with no lives. I'd rather not be an out-of-touch paper-pusher, that's all.

No. No problems there. Trust me, I'm not so far on the "nurses only need post" side that I think students/CNA's or anyone else near the situation shouldn't be here. Heck, I can even understand SOME of the patients who choose to be here (not all). But, as I said, its just not possible to see they are not a nurse and not question their motives.

Its really not a complicated issue. Only time I don't agree with it is when non-nurses insist on telling us how things should be done or viewed. Sometimes its helpful, most of the time it is not.

I also don't like it when non-nurses try to take over the board. Case in point:

Long time ago there was a thread by EMTs about how ambulances want to charge more for overweight patients they have to transfer. Pretty heavy (no pun intended) issue there. As more and more people chimed in, they started with this "we don't care what happens in the hospital, this is not about pt. care in the hospital, its about charging people more when more resources are required to get the job done."

No problem with that argument. Except the fact that IT IS A NURSING BOARD, NOT AN EMT BOARD. Go post on an EMT site if you want the points of view to be restricted to how it affects EMT.

So.......my childish side came out, and I basically blew the topic up. Trolled and flamed it to death. It was done, closed. And the EMT's were left to do what they should have done in the first place..........GO POST ON YOUR OWN FORUM.

Why? Because, when the topic first started, it was interesting. Then, as it went along, they started getting a big head, forgot they were a guest, and wanted to dominate the thread with "We don't care about the nursing side of things, its about transporting patients blah blah." Then why post it on a nursing board? Are you in need of a neuro check or something? "What is your name? Do you remember what day it is? What kind of site are you posting your topic in?".

And that thread sums up the problem with non-nurses as a whole. When they forget they are guests, they lose their usefulness to the site.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
and neither do we. problem is, the abuses of the new obsession with what is referred to as "customer service". maybe you missed the cynical nature of my use of the term "customer service" or don't catch my sarcasm. i am not talking about the usual everyday motions of respect that every person in every industry must do. i'm talking about the twisted version of "customer service" many patients come in with. as i said before, most of these people would save themselves a lot of hassle and money by simply going to the local denny's. what they are looking for is there, not in the hospital. there are bigger fish to fry for the avg. nurse than making sure you get your am coffee on time.

it's the general public like yourself that make this so frustrating to boot. they fall for the smoke and mirrors act put on by administration/management, begin to think they are top priority and that all measures necessary to give top "customer service" will be made.

what you don't seem to put together is how much of a mask that is. hospital administration is not in the least bit concerned with weather you are happy with your stay or not. couldn't care less if you are smiled at, spoken to in a respectful manner or if all your needs were met as opposed to only your medical needs. they only care to the point of getting high ratings on surveys. unfortunately, the avg. citizen is not educated enough on what is good medical treatment and what is bad. do you prefer a nurse who smiles all the time, brings you your ginger ale right on time but also gives you your room mates pills or the one who maybe always seems to be in a rush, but catches that the doctor did not order your home medications properly and keeps you safe? the general public falls for the car salesman act that we are being told to sell to our patients, falls in love with the nurse who hugs them and fetches the blanket they wanted right on time.................but can't put it together that they are in the hospital an extra three days because everyone is busy playing salesman instead of attending to medical needs.

like i said, administration could not care less if your experience with the hospital is good or bad. if they did, the staffing ratios would be entirely different and they would never even dream of performing half the cutbacks that occur. a handful of what you do outweighs a truck load of what you say. administration and management continuously make decisions that detract from your care. supplies are hard to find (my hospital runs out of cpap/bipap and continuous pulse ox. machines frequently, won't pay to get the broken ones re-calibrated), units frequently run short, we are told we can not stay a single minute late no matter what occurred during our shift and the acuity of pt's on general floors continues to rise but the ratios are not adjusted to meet "customer service" standards. then, when the customer complains (like you), the same administration and management who run the floors in such a manner that only the most generic care is possible.............go into your room and apologize and the impetus is on us to make things right. and you guys fall for it.

and after all this, the general public falls for the smoke and mirrors tactics performed by administration and believes their bad experiences are because the nurse doesn't understand "customer service":eek:. hence we find people like yourself, imposing upon nursing boards, trying to explain it to us. pathetic.

how come i can't give this one a few more "kudos"?

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
you are absolutely wrong if you think that i or general public falls for as you say the smoke and mirrors of any sort of administration/management that happens in healthcare. now that's pathetic. policies/issues/concerns/debate yes i said debate concerning healthcare are daily conversations people are having in their homes,hospitals and on the news and everywhere in between!!!! just because i choose to not change bedpans for a living doesn't mean i shouldn't be allowed to respond to a post.

i can agree/disagree with anyone about any topic and be respectful.....if you can't or choose not to then that's a sign of your character and not mine!

hmm.... something tells me you rated seriously low on many-o-surveys .:down:

what is your problem with anyone stating their view? you can post on a board but if anyone at anytime says as much as a syllable that you disagree with you start foaming at the mouth?

i made it a point to say that i didn't even disagree with many of the points made in the original post. perhaps if you would have read what i wrote instead of throwing a tantrum and ripping your shirt open as you turned into the hulk you would have realized that.

do you really think that nurses are the only people who deal with red tape,beauracracy,management issues.your martyr routine isn't working.

oh and as for your comment about me imposing on this board.....uhm okay..yeah... the thread is only posted on the freaking world wide web!!!!!!!! uhm the internet!!!!! get over yourself!

i read the post you're quoting. i read your post. guess which one sounds more like a tantrum? (yours)

Specializes in CVICU, Obs/Gyn, Derm, NICU.
I had a manager tell me something very similar, but different:

"If someone is threatening poor survey scores and is a chronic complainer, don't bother with them. Give them their meds and get out of the room. Spend the extra five minutes you just saved with someone else. You will spend all day trying to make this one happy, and scores everywhere else go from 5 to a 4 or even a 3. For what? To get a 3 or 4 out of one person who would have given us a 2. I'd rather have five patients score us 5 with one other pt. scoring 2 then everyone score us at 3 or 4."

Kinda scary, but in short, she was telling me to ignore the pt's who will score us low. Now that is a dollar driven mentality too. Thank goodness that was just a travel assignment, and I did not renew.

Perhaps trying to get a better score from a chronic complainer is not worth the extra effort ....they are always going to be unhappy.

They are unhappy with themselves, their life, the world .... one can do very little to make these people decide to be happy

Specializes in CVICU, Obs/Gyn, Derm, NICU.
Is it too hard to accept that some people (especially those from from allied health fields) might just want to learn more about what nurses face every day? I certainly can't speak for all non-nurse posters, but that's why I'm here. Crimony, plenty of nurses on here complain that people, both in the health professions and outside them, have no clue what nurses do, but when some of us try to educate ourselves, we're apparently weirdos with no lives. I'd rather not be an out-of-touch paper-pusher, that's all.

Perhaps spme of these non-nurses are really HR trying to rattle the nurses ....seeing if they can recognise the 'bad' ones

Just a thought .... be careful everyone

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
Perhaps trying to get a better score from a chronic complainer is not worth the extra effort ....they are always going to be unhappy.

They are unhappy with themselves, their life, the world .... one can do very little to make these people decide to be happy

Yeah. I guess the situation I described, by itself, really isn't that bad. There were other issues at that hospital. Totally obsessed with getting "Magnet status".

They were more concerned with having their paperwork in order and all neat/clean for the "magnet status" people than they were about their pt's. Case in point (the point in which I decided I was not staying):

Had a post-op pt. C/O SOB. Checked the sats............only 84 or something like that. I'm trying to get them a breathing treatment and going through all the motions to help keep them from getting worse and guess what the charge nurse says to me..........................

"Oh, don't worry about that, she'll be fine. Your pt. in room 201 was admitted last night but they forgot to do the belongings form. We have to get that done and on the chart right away. Never know when the survery people will show up and do chart audits".

Yeah, I was so worried about that too. Thanks.

Specializes in CVICU, Obs/Gyn, Derm, NICU.
Yeah. I guess the situation I described, by itself, really isn't that bad. There were other issues at that hospital. Totally obsessed with getting "Magnet status".

They were more concerned with having their paperwork in order and all neat/clean for the "magnet status" people than they were about their pt's. Case in point (the point in which I decided I was not staying):

Had a post-op pt. C/O SOB. Checked the sats............only 84 or something like that. I'm trying to get them a breathing treatment and going through all the motions to help keep them from getting worse and guess what the charge nurse says to me..........................

"Oh, don't worry about that, she'll be fine. Your pt. in room 201 was admitted last night but they forgot to do the belongings form. We have to get that done and on the chart right away. Never know when the survery people will show up and do chart audits".

Yeah, I was so worried about that too. Thanks.

The charge nurse sounds like a smart cookie (not)

Specializes in Med Surg.

Had a post-op pt. C/O SOB. Checked the sats............only 84 or something like that. I'm trying to get them a breathing treatment and going through all the motions to help keep them from getting worse and guess what the charge nurse says to me..........................

"Oh, don't worry about that, she'll be fine. Your pt. in room 201 was admitted last night but they forgot to do the belongings form. We have to get that done and on the chart right away. Never know when the survery people will show up and do chart audits".

Yeah, I was so worried about that too. Thanks.

Exactly why I said earlier that I'm afraid of the awnser I might get if I ask my manager what he would rather have - live patients or 5s on the survey.

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