Crazy MD orders that caused stress or concern...

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One of the lousiest orders I ever got (and the doc was there, charting) was to give Insulin R- 100u IV.. The patient's blood sugar was in the mid 400s (high enough to treat ASAP, but not having symptoms) She had large ketones (don't remember if those were in the blood or urine)... I'd been a nurse for about 5-6 years at that point- NEVER gave that much IV.:eek:

I was in charge (no patients) and wasn't going to ask the patient's nurse to do something I wasn't comfortable with (though I told her, and she was glad I dealt with it). I got the insulin and showed the doc- he said yes, that's what he wanted. I drew up the 100units- showed him, and he said yes. I then said "OK, c'mon" and had him come with me while I gave the stuff (figured he could stand there when I had to run for the D50W). :D

On the way to the room, I asked him why so much.... he told me it was to deal with the ketones more than the blood sugar. We got to the room, and I gave the insulin IV. The patient did fine, and the doc informed me of why he ordered what he did. :nurse:

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Had a nursing home patient who was dying slowly. And not peacefully. I was the sup on W/Es, and they called me to look at the morphine orders...they were reasonable- don't remember exactly what. But, the lady's respirations were 12 (low, but not catastrophic) and labored. She was uncomfortable. And the nurses didn't want to give her something that would do her in- I called the doc, and got parameters for the MSO4...___mg q 4h IM (not so much IV back then) prn pain or respiratory distress; give if respirations >4. I was glad the patient got the relief; the nurses were glad for the parameters, and essentially permission to give the stuff...

Specializes in pediatric critical care.
ok, the only orders i outright refuse, is r/t legality and if pt will suffer.

working inpatient hospice, i've gotten orders to give ________mg of morphine s/ivp qh, until respirations cease. (usually 50mg+).

there is one incident that i refused to do.

an elderly lady who had a gtube, was put on hospice, and refused to take anything via gtube.

pt told dr she wanted cookies.

dr wrote order to "eat as desired", noting that food is a pleasure of life.

i refused.

the first nurse that gave her something to eat (cookies), pt aspirated and later died.

a pleasant death, for sure....not.

food is a pleasure, IF one can eat it w/o aspirating.

otherwise, it's a nasty way to go.

leslie

I have to disagree with you on this one. If the patient is competent to understand that he or she may aspirate on food, and they still want to eat, who am I to tell them they can't have cookies while they are dying? Now, if they are confused and can't understand the repercussions, well that's a different story. Although, I still may give them cookies.

Just the other day a pt was admitted to our unit. She gets 200 units of Lantus daily and 300 units of Novolog daily. As a new grad, I've never seen anyone get near this much Insulin and I was scared to give it. But looking back at all of her blood sugars they still run high. So I spoke with the MD and he wrote an order to only give the Novolog if the pt eats her entire meal. The whole unit was terrified!!! Lol.

I have to disagree with you on this one. If the patient is competent to understand that he or she may aspirate on food, and they still want to eat, who am I to tell them they can't have cookies while they are dying? Now, if they are confused and can't understand the repercussions, well that's a different story. Although, I still may give them cookies.

no, she was demented.

i too, would honor the wish if they were a&o.

but then again, her poa (pt's brother) authorized it...

and was incredibly upset, demanding to know why no one told him (about the risk of asp).

anyways, yes, i never stood firm in my refusal.

still don't know if i was 'right' or not.

my conscience was in the way.

leslie

Just the other day a pt was admitted to our unit. She gets 200 units of Lantus daily and 300 units of Novolog daily. As a new grad, I've never seen anyone get near this much Insulin and I was scared to give it. But looking back at all of her blood sugars they still run high. So I spoke with the MD and he wrote an order to only give the Novolog if the pt eats her entire meal. The whole unit was terrified!!! Lol.

:eek::eek:WOW thats a lot I use pens and that would be maybe 5 pens or or five bottles for just the lantus and the 300 unites :eek::eek::eek::eek: I have never heard of using that much !!!

Specializes in pediatric critical care.
Just the other day a pt was admitted to our unit. She gets 200 units of Lantus daily and 300 units of Novolog daily. As a new grad, I've never seen anyone get near this much Insulin and I was scared to give it. But looking back at all of her blood sugars they still run high. So I spoke with the MD and he wrote an order to only give the Novolog if the pt eats her entire meal. The whole unit was terrified!!! Lol.

Before my friend's hubby had bariatric surgery, his diabetes was so out of control that he was SERIOUSLY taking 600 units a day!!!! Now that he's lost all the weight, he is completely off the insulin. How do you go from needing 600 units to nothing in 6 months? Amazing. If I was his nurse, I probably would have refused to give it.

Specializes in pediatric critical care.
:eek::eek:WOW thats a lot I use pens and that would be maybe 5 pens or or five bottles for just the lantus and the 300 unites :eek::eek::eek::eek: I have never heard of using that much !!!

You can get insulin that is very concentrated, but I don't know which insulins are available that way.

Specializes in pediatric critical care.
no, she was demented.

i too, would honor the wish if they were a&o.

but then again, her poa (pt's brother) authorized it...

and was incredibly upset, demanding to know why no one told him (about the risk of asp).

anyways, yes, i never stood firm in my refusal.

still don't know if i was 'right' or not.

my conscience was in the way.

leslie

What a shame nobody explained the risks to her brother. I hope she was at least unbelievably happy while eating them.

Just the other day a pt was admitted to our unit. She gets 200 units of Lantus daily and 300 units of Novolog daily. As a new grad, I've never seen anyone get near this much Insulin and I was scared to give it. But looking back at all of her blood sugars they still run high. So I spoke with the MD and he wrote an order to only give the Novolog if the pt eats her entire meal. The whole unit was terrified!!! Lol.

There is (or at least was!) U500 insulin for those with severe insulin resistance. :) With chemo, I've gone from 1u:4gms carbs to who knows what....I can use 35-40 units if I'm not getting enough protein (financial reasons). I've stopped eating 3 meals to avoid the increased insulin, since that can lead to fat storage issues, which leads to more insulin resistance, etc.... It's just easier to not eat- lol.

Some people also take Lantus BID because the dose is high, and it doesn't always last a full 24 hours...once bs starts going up, it gets harder to deal with, so they overlap coverage. The good thing with Lantus is there isn't a peak, so while hypos are possible, they're not probable. :)

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