Cost of illegal immigration on one Florida hospital

asoonernurse · Jun 8, 2008

I for one am so tired of this issue, so tired of seeing them loitering in our streets, so tired of seeing hoardes of them at our hospital, bursting pregnant with their 3rd or 4th child and then seeing them at the local welfare office picking up their free healthcare and benefits on our expense.
Our own hospital says it spent $15 million in one quarter picking up the tab for the uninsured. These people are using the hospital ER's as their primary care clinic. continue to serve these people, you and I as nurses will continue to see quality care go down the tubes, as well as our salaries and benefits cut. There is just going to be an end to the party here, when the money well runs dry.
Makes me mad when WWII vets have to share a room with them and their 100 family members also. That vet paid the price to be taken care of, worked and built this country, paid his taxes, etc. These illegals snuck over our border, get it all for free, and work at low paying jobs at wages that can never be taxed high even if they DID pay taxes.
Their presence here is to line the pockets of the power elite Republicans and garner votes for the Democrats. It's the average taxpaying citizen who is paying for all of this, not to mention, at risk for diseases that they are brining across the border.
We do not need millions of uneducated low skilled workers -- it's more of a drain than it is a boost to this nation. It's thievery IMO as well. These people have no intention of assimilating into our culture. They want to work here and send it all back home, while they cling to their own culture and practices. I say ship them all back ASAP.

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asoonernurse · Jun 8, 2008

Um, they could start by learning English and speaking it when they use our schools, hospitals and other services, not requiring our government to pay the costs of translation and printing to ensure that everything is printed out in their language. This is the US and we speak English here.

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asoonernurse · Jun 8, 2008

There really is no point to this debate. There usually are only 2 sides.

Well, that's profound. Two sides in a debate. Imagine that.

One is the let's get rid of them all side. This argument usually has a nationalistic and racial component. We all know what nationalism and racial undertones lead to. Ahem... holocaust. I will gladly accept one, just one, example where those ingredients did not result in that end result.

So, You do not believe that America has the right to constitute an independent or autonomous political community based on a shared history and common destiny? (Nationalism.)

The other side usually is against illegal immigration also.

And you support illegal immigration?

However, being liberal,

Ah...I knew there was a catch.

they are sympathetic to people that are trying to escape extreme poverty (that most Americans can't even begin to understand), violence (ex. countless people dying to the drug and other types of violence in border towns, 5000+ women dying in northern Mexico, etc) and oppressive regimes.

You just described every third world nation (and a few first world nations) on the planet. Should we ask them to send everyone over? Or should we expect THEIR governments to actually GOVERN?

They then are subject to ridiculous stereotypes, like they ALL stand around and are on welfare or they are causing all the crime.

Or that liberals wear rose-colored glasses and see the world as just a bunch of shiny, happy people.

So this second argument then not only has to argue their point, they have to argue against the nationalism, isolationism and racism that the other argument usually presents.

A little nationalism and isolation would be good for this nation right about now.

I am not pointing out any one person but please, someone point out one argument that doesn't fit these 2 sides in this thread???

An argument or debate doesn't have ONE side.

I know more illegal aliens that work twice as hard as any citizen to live here and send money home.

This is a generalization, and is dependent upon social environment. My brother-in-law, a police officer, would say he knows more illegal aliens who are criminals. Why? Because he is a cop. That is his social environment. I, on the other hand, know zero illegal aliens, therefore, I would make the statement that I know more citizens that work as hard as illegal aliens. Why? Because that is MY social environment. This is known as a slippery slope argument.

Do they do it to spite us? No, they do it to feed their families. I mean come on. What the h is the American Dream if not that. The only reason your relatives that immigrated didn't engage in this same behavior was that there were no Western Unions.

Okay...so that was funny. :chuckle No Western Unions....OTOH, WU has been around for 158 years.

I would willingly welcome an argument that isn't just thinly disguised hate speech. Please, I see more Americans sitting around, homeless, on drugs, in prison and otherwise draining our economy than illegal aliens. At least they'll work.

Back to the slippery slope argument.

And please, the next person that says 'My relatives came legally' do some research. America used to take anyone that came. If they were from the right country, religion and background. Look at all the Europeans that came here en mass. Now that the inhabitants from South/Central America are coming its a problem?

Not if they come in through our Immigration System, which any history book will tell you, is how all those Europeans came in (remember Ellis Island 1892-1954?) If they wish to enter, and I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem with this, then APPLY for entry like everyone else!

Hospitals spending to much money on people without insurance? Please, you mean shareholders, CEO's and top level admin aren't getting there multi-million dollar bonuses? Good. Medicine shouldn't be for profit. Profiting on health is the same as profiting on war.

Now who doesn't understand economics? :chuckle

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jun 8, 2008

Closing this thread for a time out break... see you tomorrow.