Cosmetic Surgery Death after RN (not CRNA) Administered Propofol

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As usual, it took a patient death to effect change to a dangerous practice. This is why I, an operating room nurse, am so adament about getting the practice of RNs giving conscious sedation stopped, and the reason for my thread about OR nurses--and endoscopy nurses-- giving conscious sedation. This dangerous practice simply needs to stop. As evidenced by an ongoing thread in the gastroenterology nursing section, apparently--at least in some facilities-- endo RNs administer propofol as part of "conscious sedation."

FYI on Propofol Administration by RNs

Saying that it has received several reports of adverse events, including

the death of a cosmetic surgery patient, after RNs improperly

administered propofol, the American Association for Accreditation of

Ambulatory Surgery Facilities (AAAASF) is rushing to ensure that only

those trained to give general anesthesia or rescue from general

anesthesia administer propofol in its 1,100 or so accredited facilities.

The AAAASF announced last week that facilities that want to continue to

use propofol -- even if only for "conscious sedation" -- must either

upgrade to a Class C facility (where all anesthesia must be administered

by an anesthesiologist or CRNA) or promise to always use an anesthesia

professional to administer the drug. Facilities must comply by May 1.

"We decided that we need to get our standards in line with the

manufacturer's recommendations," says Jeff Pearcy, executive director of

the AAAASF. "The easiest way to do that was to require those facilities

that want to continue to use propofol to become Class C facilities."

For Class B facilities that would like to continue to use propofol but

won't use other types of general anesthesia, complying with the new

standard is simple. These facilities must fill out a form certifying

that they have a dedicated anesthesiologist or CRNA administering the

sedative-hypnotic. They also must have neuromuscular blocking agents

available in the facility. No on-site inspection is necessary. There

will be no additional charge, says AAAASF.

Those facilities that are upgrading to a C and plan to use general

anesthesia (inhalational) in addition to using propofol must comply with

all Class C criteria, says AAAASF.

AAAASF President Michael F. McGuire, MD, a board-certified plastic

surgeon, says the major motivation for making the change was that

"administration of propofol by a non-anesthesia provider is really not

appropriate."

Dr. McGuire adds that the new standard has caused quite a bit of

confusion and concern, mostly among Class B facilities that don't give

inhalational anesthesia and misread the standard to mean they couldn't

administer propofol unless they bought an anesthesia machine and CO2

monitor. Part of the confusion, he says, lies in the nature of the

propofol.

"Is propofol a general anesthetic or a sedation agent? It's both.

Really, truly, it is both," says Dr. McGuire. "At a certain level and in

a certain individual, it is a sedation agent. In other individuals or at

higher does, it becomes a general anesthetic agent. It's so

unpredictable, which is not a problem if you're an anesthesiologist but

can be if you're a surgeon trying to do surgery and supervise a nurse

giving the medication."

Actually, my reply regarding protected airways in ICU was in reference to a post by newnurse2003, who stated that it is part of her job description to give Propofol to her intubated patients--and I was responding to her post by saying:

That's different--by her own description, the patients SHE is giving Propofol to already have protected airways--either by virtue of being intubated or trach'd--and have RT, pulmonologists, and intensivists--and sometimes anesthesiologists-- available 24-7--unlike cosmetic surgery and endo patients.

It's not an article--it is a plaintiff medical malpractice case another LNC colleague is currently reviewing (I am an LNC.)

There is no post on this from newnurse2003....

There is no post on this from newnurse2003....

It is on the thread entitled, "Conscious Sedation By OR Nurses--Why Should We?" in this section---

Aha, I see.. I skimmed through some of that post, however, it became so long that I may have missed it.

I was wondering if you had any tangible evidence that RN's administering conscious sedation (without a protected airway) results in a negative outcome for the patient. My reasoning is that I would like to mention this topic to my manager, however, I obviously need some evidence.... do you know if studies of this have been done?

Conscious sedation has a very specific definition. The patient must be able to maintain their own airway and be arousable. If they cannot maintain a patent airway on their own or they cannot be aroused then you have gone beyond conscious sedation.

For intubated patients I've used propfol and ketamine and the usual benzo's and narc's. Pretty straight forward. If they aren't on a rate you may need to put them on one and if they're on the dry side you may need a quick bolus handy to ward of hypotension. For an intubated patient you can even head to deeper sedation as long as their pressure can support it. We use ketamine for large/deep dressing changes. They are certainly not responsive after the initial bolus dose.

For non-intubated patients I've only ever used narc's and benzo's. Most commonly Fentanyl and Versed. I've never had a negative outcome during conscious sedation. Small doses and check the sedation level. Yes I've had sats drop a bit and pressures drift down but nothing supplemental oxygen and a bolus couldn't handle.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to mention this to your manager. I hope where you're working there is training involved in administering conscious sedation. It's done all the time and with great success. There is and always will be those RN's that do things they shouldn't and do things without knowing, without asking and consequently injure patients. We had a nurse that administered a paralytic on a non-intubated patient so they could stay still for a CT scan. Well, it worked. Needless to say, he was not representative of the standard that is expected of us and rumor has it the state quickly ran his license to the closest shredder.

Don't be too quick to jump and paint us all with a brush just because of a few incompetent people.

Donn C.

Conscious sedation has a very specific definition. The patient must be able to maintain their own airway and be arousable. If they cannot maintain a patent airway on their own or they cannot be aroused then you have gone beyond conscious sedation.

For intubated patients I've used propfol and ketamine and the usual benzo's and narc's. Pretty straight forward. If they aren't on a rate you may need to put them on one and if they're on the dry side you may need a quick bolus handy to ward of hypotension. For an intubated patient you can even head to deeper sedation as long as their pressure can support it. We use ketamine for large/deep dressing changes. They are certainly not responsive after the initial bolus dose.

For non-intubated patients I've only ever used narc's and benzo's. Most commonly Fentanyl and Versed. I've never had a negative outcome during conscious sedation. Small doses and check the sedation level. Yes I've had sats drop a bit and pressures drift down but nothing supplemental oxygen and a bolus couldn't handle.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to mention this to your manager. I hope where you're working there is training involved in administering conscious sedation. It's done all the time and with great success. There is and always will be those RN's that do things they shouldn't and do things without knowing, without asking and consequently injure patients. We had a nurse that administered a paralytic on a non-intubated patient so they could stay still for a CT scan. Well, it worked. Needless to say, he was not representative of the standard that is expected of us and rumor has it the state quickly ran his license to the closest shredder.

Don't be too quick to jump and paint us all with a brush just because of a few incompetent people.

Donn C.

My concern is that I am seeing propofol used more and more frequently for conscious sedation on a nonprotected airway....

are you from baton rouge? that sounds an awful lot like a situation that happened at a hospital i used to work at.

Conscious sedation has a very specific definition. The patient must be able to maintain their own airway and be arousable. If they cannot maintain a patent airway on their own or they cannot be aroused then you have gone beyond conscious sedation.

For intubated patients I've used propfol and ketamine and the usual benzo's and narc's. Pretty straight forward. If they aren't on a rate you may need to put them on one and if they're on the dry side you may need a quick bolus handy to ward of hypotension. For an intubated patient you can even head to deeper sedation as long as their pressure can support it. We use ketamine for large/deep dressing changes. They are certainly not responsive after the initial bolus dose.

For non-intubated patients I've only ever used narc's and benzo's. Most commonly Fentanyl and Versed. I've never had a negative outcome during conscious sedation. Small doses and check the sedation level. Yes I've had sats drop a bit and pressures drift down but nothing supplemental oxygen and a bolus couldn't handle.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to mention this to your manager. I hope where you're working there is training involved in administering conscious sedation. It's done all the time and with great success. There is and always will be those RN's that do things they shouldn't and do things without knowing, without asking and consequently injure patients. We had a nurse that administered a paralytic on a non-intubated patient so they could stay still for a CT scan. Well, it worked. Needless to say, he was not representative of the standard that is expected of us and rumor has it the state quickly ran his license to the closest shredder.

Don't be too quick to jump and paint us all with a brush just because of a few incompetent people.

Donn C.

Aha, I see.. I skimmed through some of that post, however, it became so long that I may have missed it.

I was wondering if you had any tangible evidence that RN's administering conscious sedation (without a protected airway) results in a negative outcome for the patient. My reasoning is that I would like to mention this topic to my manager, however, I obviously need some evidence.... do you know if studies of this have been done?

I am proof that a person should not receive Propofol without an airway- from anyone! Woke being told "you stopped breathing" in MRI. Scared the crap outta me & my husband whom the Nurse went to waiting room & told "your wife stoped breathing." Hubby told me later that "the whole bunch looked pretty freaked out!" I remembered they were acting strange but was still pretty fuzzy from the whole deal. He did not tell me right at first as he said "you looked scared enough" I wrote here & asked questions about Propofol, rec'd many replies- thank you all! After doing some reading I find that a person died having cosmetic surgery under this med?! I was told an anesthesiologist was present & was actually introduced to him. Regardless of who was there- it is terrifying to me that I was in that tube without being intubated & wonder how long it took them to figure out I was not breathing! Those people told me they do about 10 patients per day with this drug the same way. Thank God the outcome was not as bad as it could of been. Some have asked "Why does a person getting an MRI need sedation?" Try 2 vascular surgeries & 40+ Dr's visits in one year, not to mention numerous CTs, MRIs - you name it. I have got to the point that I cry simply at the mention of a MRI- never had any prob. with any kind of test before now. Valium wore off in the MRI previous to this one & I really lost it in the tube. I understand lots of folks have a prob. with MRIs. I think my issue is more hard to lay there so long with those infernal non-stop shooting sounds coming at my head while I am attached to this contraption by my head. Obviously they are going to have to find an alternative to this last crash test dummy trick for future MRIs that I am sure to have... Thank you all for your insight into this very scary med which is probably a good med when used in the right setting under the right conditions.

Just so you know, they do have OPEN MRI now, which will eliminate most of your anxieties. Not all facilities are up to date with the equipment however, so the sites are often spread out. In your case, I would travel the extra distance I had to get to one, that is if your insurance will pay for it.

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I know that some states use diprovan routinely for conscious sedation admin by the RN , others it must be admin by the MD. This is a very interesting post.

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Conscious sedation has a very specific definition. The patient must be able to maintain their own airway and be arousable. If they cannot maintain a patent airway on their own or they cannot be aroused then you have gone beyond conscious sedation. (edited by sjt9721)

Donn C.

I agree. Propofol, even in procedural doses, is NOT considered conscious sedation. If propofol is being used, the patient is 'deeper' and does not meet the definition of conscious sedation.

Conscious sedation agents such as narcotics and benzodiazipines have reversal agents that are readily available during procedures. And properly trained RNs can assess for and administer these medications. Sedation using propofol does not meet the definition of "conscious" and should be left up to those with anesthetic administration credentials.

The post that you are responding to today is two years old.

Please look at the dates that a thread was posted if pulling it up from the archives.

Thanks in advance.......................

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