Community college has a 7% graduation rate...

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I was shocked to discover that the community college I attended had such a low graduation rate. Is this common for a community college? And does this mean that the average pre nursing student doesn't get accepted into the RN program?

My nursing school had a 50% drop out/fail rate and about a 97% first time pass rate on the NCLEX. I'm sure the actual drop out/fail rate would be much higher if you looked at the entire school population. Nursing school is HARD but not impossible.

Bloomgirl118 hit it right on the nose. My school's ADN program had a 100% NCLEX pass rate on the first try this year, so that is the real barometer for me. The pass rate is higher than the two BSN Programs in the area!

The way most schools keep up their NCLEX pass rate is by giving an exit exam that mimics the NCLEX. If you don't pass it, you don't get your diploma, and thus you don't get to sit for the NCLEX, and therefore you don't mess up their lovely pass rate.

I'd like to know how many students make it all the way through a program, but then fail because they can't pass the exit exam. Perhaps a school will let you take an NCLEX cram course and then retake their exit exam — I'm not sure how they work it.

If a program is losing 50% or more of its students, then clearly they're doing it wrong in the admissions department. Either they're setting the bar too low and just filling seats, or they're measuring the wrong things.

I always thought that meant that either the students would drop out or they would flunk out. I could be wrong?

I always thought that meant that either the students would drop out or they would flunk out. I could be wrong?

Or they transfer out or get kicked out. Or they just stop taking classes. Out is out.

Or they don't earn a degree in a "timely" manner.

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This is about normal for a community college graduation rate especially now with the CC's being very overburdened.

Do remember there are many people who just take one or two classes either for enjoyment, they drop out or they are a student at another school and are using the cc to get the classes they. None of these people count for the graduation rate. Also most community colleges have a mandate to accept every student that applies regardless of whether they are ready to suceed at the college level.

I'm working through the science prereqs right now so I can bridge and I would say only 10% of the prenursing students will make it to the applicantion stage and then only a small portion willl get accepted.

I would look at the completion rate for the acual program not the entire college as a whole. The cc I'm at used to have a 15% graduation rate but with the economy and the student body increasing its about 10%

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That is the rate for the college in general. But shouldn't it be higher b/c of the nursing program and all the students competing to get in??

It depends. The community college I am attending has a student body of about 30,000 though I think its ALOT more. They have nursing programs on both campuses that take 40 students each per semester. So lets assume everyone is very successful and disciplined and all graduate that's only 160 students adding to the graduation pool.

It always feels when you aiming for nursing that EVERY man and his dog is a nursing student but remember a decade ago when I was student design, was on the student council, president of the design club I probably didn't even know nursing students existed lol.

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The way most schools keep up their NCLEX pass rate is by giving an exit exam that mimics the NCLEX. If you don't pass it, you don't get your diploma, and thus you don't get to sit for the NCLEX, and therefore you don't mess up their lovely pass rate.I'd like to know how many students make it all the way through a program, but then fail because they can't pass the exit exam. Perhaps a school will let you take an NCLEX cram course and then retake their exit exam-I'm not sure how they work it.If a program is losing 50% or more of its students, then clearly they're doing it wrong in the admissions department. Either they're setting the bar too low and just filling seats, or they're measuring the wrong things.
My school does do an "exit exam" that is used to help determine likelihood of success on the NCLEX but it does NOT determine graduation. Our passing is only determined by the grades we receive, not on that test. I definitely would not want to be involved in a program that tries to stack the deck in their favor, so to speak.
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I'd like to know how many students make it all the way through a program, but then fail because they can't pass the exit exam. Perhaps a school will let you take an NCLEX cram course and then retake their exit exam — I'm not sure how they work it.

I know at my trade school LVN program they administered the exit HESI after paying for your NCLEX review course. You got three chances to pass. If you passed on the first time they paid for your IV certification, NCLEX and license fee as a reward. If you failed after 3 times they made you stay in class for another month and after the 4th time you failed the entire program though only 2 people got that far and I think they came to some kind of arrangement since the policy wasn't in place when they enrolled.

Our school is heavily into the ATI program, with lots of test practice and tests on the computer. At the end of the program we get an ATI NCLEX prep course, paid for by our tuition, along with the rest of the ATI program. We do not get to sit for the NCLEX unless we achieve a certain score.

We were told that we don't need to take any other prep course, and given the impression that it would be a waste of money — but we could if we wanted to.

I have no idea how ATI compares to the alternatives. I hope it's good enough. :confused: I'm not sure how long they've been using this program.

I'm a bit concerned that the curriculum is evolving to enhance NCLEX-like test-taking skills, at the expense of teaching real-life nursing skills. That philosophy hasn't worked well for high schools obsessed with standardized tests that determine whether a student graduates.

By the way, our very large school's pass rate is just about 90%.

I'm working through the science prereqs right now so I can bridge and I would say only 10% of the prenursing students will make it to the applicantion stage and then only a small portion willl get accepted.

That is almost exactly what my A&P 1 lab instructor (an MD in the country he came from) said. I think you and he were pretty close to the mark.

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A lot of broken dreams but its for the best the material doesn't get any easier the further along you get.

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My school (entire school, not the nursing dept.) has a graduation rate that ranges from 24-29% from 2005 to 2010. Most students transfer to 4 year schools. Some drop out, others take certificate programs or individual classes.

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