Cleveland Clinic VS University Hospital

[A.Ramos]

Im sorry if this has been posted multiple times, I searched the thread and could only find one from a couple years ago.

What are your opinions on working at the Cleveland clinic Vs UH? I just found out I passed my nclex RN (whoooo) and wanted opinions before I started applying to new grad positions.

I heard with the Cleveland clinic you get such a great experience & they teach you so much. Also the benefits are better than UH but I heard the staff is treated poorly and the pay isn't the greatest.

on the other hand I heard UH treats their employees better and the pay is better but benefits suck.

I really wanted to apply to metro but I heard they don't accept new grads and metro hasn't had the greatest rep these days 👀

Any opinions on any hospital would be greatly appreciated :-)

[2short2RN, ADN, MSN, RN]

They told me straight up!

[Mergirlc, MSN, APRN, NP]

Hi

Just came across this topic. Hoping somebody might be able to answer, or clarify, something that was mentioned in this post.

I noticed the majority of people in this thread mentioned the benefits are better at CC than UH. Can anybody expand on this? No need to go through each single benefit, but I'm just wondering if the differences are, for example:

- Do you just pay less overall for health coverage at CC than UH? Or does it boil down to what each health benefit actually covers?

- Does one offer 401K while the other doesn't?

I guess I'm just trying to figure out what the biggest difference is since it seems the majority on this topic have stated CC has the better benefits.

[OUxPhys, BSN, RN]

On 12/8/2019 at 12:54 PM, Mergirlc said:

Hi

Just came across this topic. Hoping somebody might be able to answer, or clarify, something that was mentioned in this post.

I noticed the majority of people in this thread mentioned the benefits are better at CC than UH. Can anybody expand on this? No need to go through each single benefit, but I'm just wondering if the differences are, for example:

- Do you just pay less overall for health coverage at CC than UH? Or does it boil down to what each health benefit actually covers?

- Does one offer 401K while the other doesn't?

I guess I'm just trying to figure out what the biggest difference is since it seems the majority on this topic have stated CC has the better benefits.

CCF has better medical benefits than UH. At UH you have more out of pocket costs. Labs, hospital stays, tests, etc. For example, when I worked at UH as a nurse assistant there was a nurse who had a child. She used UH to have her child. Even after insurance she still had to pay several thousand dollars.

At CCF, if you have a kid and use their hospital, you pay $50.00. That's right, $50. I also believe you pay next to nothing if you have to be admitted as an inpatient.

Both hospitals offer a pension and a 403b. However, UH usually starts their nurses at a higher hourly rate and they offer shift diffs whereas the clinic does not (shift diff went up from $1 to $2. There are no weekend, evening, night shift diffs at CCF: You get $2 extra for all).

[Mergirlc, MSN, APRN, NP]

1 hour ago, OUxPhys said:

CCF has better medical benefits than UH. At UH you have more out of pocket costs. Labs, hospital stays, tests, etc. For example, when I worked at UH as a nurse assistant there was a nurse who had a child. She used UH to have her child. Even after insurance she still had to pay several thousand dollars.

At CCF, if you have a kid and use their hospital, you pay $50.00. That's right, $50. I also believe you pay next to nothing if you have to be admitted as an inpatient.

Both hospitals offer a pension and a 403b. However, UH usually starts their nurses at a higher hourly rate and they offer shift diffs whereas the clinic does not (shift diff went up from $1 to $2. There are no weekend, evening, night shift diffs at CCF: You get $2 extra for all).

Thanks for the clarification and the information! It does sound like CCF, overall, would be the place to go in terms of the benefits. $50 is dirt-cheap for having a kid! ? I'm sure by now it might've gone up a bit, but even if it's a $100 it would still be a deal.

The only thing is I've seen a lot of new grads on allnurses comment about walking out of the CCF New Grad programs after a few months because it was just too brutal -- bad preceptors. I'm sure this may just depend on the person and unit, but it's a little concerning that there seems to be quite a few who leave CCF.

Do you have an opinion if perhaps starting at one of the smaller hospitals at CCF might be better for a new grad? I know there are awful preceptors anywhere, but maybe a slower paced hospital in one of the outskirts of Cleveland is more beneficial for a learning experience?

[OUxPhys, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, Mergirlc said:

Thanks for the clarification and the information! It does sound like CCF, overall, would be the place to go in terms of the benefits. $50 is dirt-cheap for having a kid! ? I'm sure by now it might've gone up a bit, but even if it's a $100 it would still be a deal.

The only thing is I've seen a lot of new grads on allnurses comment about walking out of the CCF New Grad programs after a few months because it was just too brutal -- bad preceptors. I'm sure this may just depend on the person and unit, but it's a little concerning that there seems to be quite a few who leave CCF.

Do you have an opinion if perhaps starting at one of the smaller hospitals at CCF might be better for a new grad? I know there are awful preceptors anywhere, but maybe a slower paced hospital in one of the outskirts of Cleveland is more beneficial for a learning experience?

I will send a PM.

[2short2RN, ADN, MSN, RN]

I started as a new grad at CCF. I had a horrible preceptor, but didn't know I had a horrible preceptor until about 6 months in. I thought I just wasn't really understanding. I found my own mentor(s) and read additional books about nursing on my specific floor and then I did okay. Three years later, I just wish I would have spoke up and asked for multiple or a different preceptor. Be in control of your learning.

[Mergirlc, MSN, APRN, NP]

1 hour ago, 2short2RN said:

I started as a new grad at CCF. I had a horrible preceptor, but didn't know I had a horrible preceptor until about 6 months in. I thought I just wasn't really understanding. I found my own mentor(s) and read additional books about nursing on my specific floor and then I did okay. Three years later, I just wish I would have spoke up and asked for multiple or a different preceptor. Be in control of your learning.

@2short2RN Overall, did you see or hear about a lot of New Grads just up and leave within the first few months? It seems I've come across many posts of New Grads having horrible preceptors and leaving within the first 3 months.

Does it seem the preceptors are new themselves? Or is this a case of the older nurses eating their young?

[OUxPhys, BSN, RN]

On 4/9/2020 at 5:27 PM, Mergirlc said:

@2short2RN Overall, did you see or hear about a lot of New Grads just up and leave within the first few months? It seems I've come across many posts of New Grads having horrible preceptors and leaving within the first 3 months.

Does it seem the preceptors are new themselves? Or is this a case of the older nurses eating their young?

My floor at CCF always had new grads (honestly most of the floors and ICUs at CCF are like that) but I never saw people quit on my floor due to a terrible preceptor. I saw two people leave during orientation and that was because they came from a LTAC and just never adjusted.

[RN_Olivia, BSN]

On 4/9/2020 at 5:27 PM, Mergirlc said:

@2short2RN Overall, did you see or hear about a lot of New Grads just up and leave within the first few months? It seems I've come across many posts of New Grads having horrible preceptors and leaving within the first 3 months.

Does it seem the preceptors are new themselves? Or is this a case of the older nurses eating their young?

On 4/12/2020 at 8:43 AM, OUxPhys said:

My floor at CCF always had new grads (honestly most of the floors and ICUs at CCF are like that) but I never saw people quit on my floor due to a terrible preceptor. I saw two people leave during orientation and that was because they came from a LTAC and just never adjusted.

Well, I saw several new grads quit during orientation due to their terrible preceptor. The managers never listen to the new grads even though they are open to anyone anytime. They only go by what preceptors said, and saying "we've done this for many years". They simply terminate people because there are tons of substitutes at all times! I've been working here in J building for a half year but looking for another job. Horrible, horrible culture! The name of the hospital and national ranking is meaningless and does not impact on the nursing environment! You are precious and always need to be treated well! What I observed so far here, nurses gossip all the time and if you get targeted, people start bullying and managers seem to care but nothing changes.

[Mergirlc, MSN, APRN, NP]

1 hour ago, RN_Olivia said:

Well, I saw several new grads quit during orientation due to their terrible preceptor. The managers never listen to the new grads even though they are open to anyone anytime. They only go by what preceptors said, and saying "we've done this for many years". They simply terminate people because there are tons of substitutes at all times! I've been working here in J building for a half year but looking for another job. Horrible, horrible culture! The name of the hospital and national ranking is meaningless and does not impact on the nursing environment! You are precious and always need to be treated well! What I observed so far here, nurses gossip all the time and if you get targeted, people start bullying and managers seem to care but nothing changes. 

I’m very sorry to hear that, @RN_Olivia I think the first mistake a lot of managers or staff leaders do is assume that just because somebody is a phenomenal employee that they’re also good at teaching somebody else the skills they display and the knowledge they know. This is not always the case. I once had a gentleman who was training me (non-healthcare job) and he was fantastic at what he did. The problem was he was a horrible teacher. I left that job within three months. I know there’s probably never any time in a healthcare system to actually train someone correctly as to how to be effective when training others, but perhaps hospitals should look into this type of training in order to save themselves the amount of money they waste by people leaving all the time.

When I think of or hear of CCF, I always think of high-class excellent care. My eyes are really starting to open now at least from what I’ve seen here on this site. I’ve just seen way too many new grads quit after a few months and they all say the same thing. Obviously something is going really wrong with CCF. It’s amazing to see that HR hasn’t noticed this or they refuse to notice this or their hands are just tied and they don’t know what to do.

I wish you well in whatever your next stop is. Good Luck!