City Colleges of Chicago and HESI exit exam

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hello, everyone! good morning. i have a classmate here with me and she would like to make several comments based on her experience with our school and the hesi exam. please, be kind with your replies. please. note, this is her opinion and her experiences! lets respect that. thank you!

[color=#333333]the academic staff at one of the city colleges of chicago awarded me my grades, which indicates mastery of their nursing program.

[color=#333333]i was unsuccessful with the hesi exit exam, an exam that was utilized to protect their own pass rates two months before my graduation. the city colleges of chicago is implementing this exam only as an obstacle to prevent myself and other qualified classmates from taking the nclex rn exam. this strategy shows only one design, and that is only to give an artificially inflated pass rate for the school. which indicates that the city colleges of chicago lacks concern of the success of their students, but is only concern in protecting their own pass rates. i am not arguing the importance of appropriate and relevant testings. but the city colleges of chicago is using this exam to deny me and other classmates who have successfully completed the academic program the opportunity to graduate and sit for boards.

it all boils down to the city colleges of chicago not having confidence in their own academic program. they are trying to bolster their nclex pass rates by eliminating me and other classmates from the test pool. if they have legitimate reason to question me and other students' ability to pass nclex, then why have i passed all of their nursing classes? if i had any unsatisfactory performance i should have been weeded out of the program long before completing the program! i provided above standard care of my patients and received excellent evaluations/competency from my instructors for the two years that i was in the program. my family and i sacrificed a lot. i completed the program, and paid my tuitions. my score was 85%, which indicates the probability by percentage of passing the state boards exam (nclex rn). olive harvey college stated they will not allow me to sit for boards or give me my nursing degree unless i scored 87% or above. the hesi exam is not a competency exam. only the nclex rn is the nationally recognized competency exam. i have accumulated over 100 college credit hours and most are nursing. nursing courses are not transferable. there over 1 ½ yr. long waiting list in other nursing programs. i am in debt from college loans and with no degree to show for it. does this sound fair to you?

in simple terms what am i talking about?

what is the hesi exit exam? its an exam that determines the probability by percentage if you will pass the nclex rn exam. it is also used for both the faculty and students, to determine the student and nursing curriculum of their areas of weakness. in other words, it's a probability and assessment exam.

for example, there are 43 students who completed the nursing program. out of the 43 students only three passed the hesi exit exam. out the three who passed the hesi exit exam, only two passed the nclex rn exam. now, the school can state that they have 99% nclex pass rate. according to the state requirement, if nursing programs can show they have above 87% nclex first time test taker pass rate (i think that the%) they can attain more money from the state and it will bait more investors. but, what nobody knows is that, the 40 students who completed the program, cannot attain their nursing degree or take the nclex rn exam. those 40 students are left with nothing but a student loan, low self esteem, and humiliation. four years of nursing school down the drain.

one more thing, there are seven colleges within the city colleges of chicago. therefore, if there are 40 students who were unsuccessful, that would not include all the other six colleges. you can assume, 40 students times 6 colleges. plus, students graduate in december and may. that's 240 students times 2. you do the math. my classmates have been without their earned degree since 2006. i can assure you, currently, this sort of deceptive practice is still occurring city college wide. those students who were not successful, were abandoned by the school.

another thing, the city college policy is so subjective. they chose who can and cannot re-take the hesi exam. nobody knows how and why, but its true.

here is the kicker. you can take the nclex rn exam, according to the state licensing board up to twelve times within three years. but, the city colleges of chicago only counts those students who will pass nclex rn exam the first time. the second time test takers don't count. i wonder how many excellent doctors, and lawyers passed their boards the first time? i would like to hear from other city colleges of chicago nursing students who are going through this. we need to get together democratically and voice our concerns. this sort of diagnostic test is not being utilized in medical school. mayor daley i hope you will read this. how many times did it take you to pass your bar exam?

there are a lot of issues and concerns regarding the punitive uses of this exam. the creator of hesi, susan morrison has stated herself that she did not create these exams for punitive reasons, but as a learning tool. i hope i have a few supporters regarding this issue. if the city colleges of chicago truly wanted their students to be successful, they should have utilized the hesi exam throughout the curriculum and not just at the end. it should have been implemented after each nursing course, which will give the student familiarity base, and used accordingly as an assessment tool for both the faculty and student. why did they have to wait until we have completed the program? can you imagine? you received you final grades, than for the school to tell you, "oh by the way, you have to take another test, if you don't pass this one, you will not get your nursing degree and you won't be able sit for your licensing board?"

i would like nothing more than your support. help my classmates, please. if you have any question please ask away. you can research this issue, there are a lot of students who have voiced their concerns. i am afraid this sort of deceptive practice is becoming a trend with most nursing programs. other programs, have taken accountability and fixed their mistakes. unfortunately, the city colleges of chicago have not. i doubt that they will.

contact mayor daley, senator dick durbin, reporters, past, current students, nurses and anyone else you can think of to attend and advocate us. please!

the next board meeting will be held thursday, may 7, 2009 at 9:00 a.m. room 300 district office, 226 west jackson boulevard, chicago, il 60606.

my classmates and i do not have anymore money to take them to court and we don't have the resources. telling our story is all i, we have. i pray a savior will come. i have faith in the lord in the people. mind you, we are not asking for a free-ride. we asking for what we worked hard for - the opportunity to take the nclex rn exam.

i am sorry if this is so lengthy. i am sure that some of you can understand how much pain i am in. i and my classmates are suffering fiancially. please, help us.

Jessicaboop, what petition did you just sign? I too would like to sign. Class of 2011 needs help!!!! anyone with info please pass it my way

Thanks

Hello TrNrsngStdnt, if you read the posts from pages 8 through 10 of this thread, even a few earlier pages than 8, you'll see how the City Colleges of Chicago were misusing the HESI exam to withhold nursing degrees from students that met the requirements of nursing school. And by withholding their degree, they couldn't sit for the NCLEX-RN which meant they couldn't become nurses. You should really read it, because the group that fought to end this did a fantastic job. Her's the link:

Let Us Change the City Colleges of Chicago Academic Policy for the Nursing Program Petition

GRETCH26: Thanks for posting our petition and passing it on. I thank Rico from our group for making that. Well we wont be needing it now!!!!

PRETTYSMART,

Can you tell me who I can contact about this? I am in the Truman class of 2011, and we are experiencing the same thing. I supported you guys in your journey, and helped pass the word about what was happening. I knew that one way or another this would affect me too because I signed the same contract you guys did. Truman is now incorporating HESI to account for a percentage of our grade. Meaning that is you pass all the exams that your professor gives you, and you are a borderline student, scoring low on your HESI would bring your average down, and as a result, you do not get to move on in the program. Where can I find the research that you guys obtained? I could really use the help to help my class that is slowly dwindling down to scarce numbers!! thank you

Anyone here that goes to DAILEY or TRUMAN or MALCOLM X that is against the policy and all the changes that are being made in the middle of our program?!?!? I find this ludicrous!!! I would hope the Chancellor does not want a repeat of what happened last year. So any one interested in voicing their opinions and concerns on the inconsistencies within the program? We need to band together so we could come up with a plan/proposal, and be organized about what we think should be happening with in our schools.... I think somewhere along the line these people forgot they all have jobs because of us. We are paying for these services. And I for one am an unsatisfied customer

Go to the website or google reinventing CCC. You will be surprised at the changes the chancellor is trying to make for THE STUDENT!!! The ones that really matter in this program. Let's help our fellow classmates who were left behind. Those who failed the HESI and are no longer to move on in the program.... This is not right!!! You still have a couple of weeks to fight this. You have my support! I hope others will join and support to help the people who deserve to be in school, get back in and get their degrees. I lost a lot of friends this semester. If theres anything I can do to help, you can count on me

Anyone here that goes to DAILEY or TRUMAN or MALCOLM X that is against the policy and all the changes that are being made in the middle of our program?!?!? I find this ludicrous!!! I would hope the Chancellor does not want a repeat of what happened last year. So any one interested in voicing their opinions and concerns on the inconsistencies within the program? We need to band together so we could come up with a plan/proposal, and be organized about what we think should be happening with in our schools.... I think somewhere along the line these people forgot they all have jobs because of us. We are paying for these services. And I for one am an unsatisfied customer

Go to the website or google reinventing CCC. You will be surprised at the changes the chancellor is trying to make for THE STUDENT!!! The ones that really matter in this program. Let's help our fellow classmates who were left behind. Those who failed the HESI and are no longer to move on in the program.... This is not right!!! You still have a couple of weeks to fight this. You have my support! I hope others will join and support to help the people who deserve to be in school, get back in and get their degrees. I lost a lot of friends this semester. If theres anything I can do to help, you can count on me

what kind of changes are coming for Nursing program?

According to studies, out of all the students that enroll in a program, only 7% actually graduate!!! ***!?!? 7%? After all that tine and money invested, less than half those students complete a program. The Chancellor is investigating to figure out what is going on?? Is it the students? Is it the teachers? Is it a combination of the two things? Whatever it is, it needs to be fixed. And who better to help resolve these issues than the students who are enrolled in these programs

According to studies, out of all the students that enroll in a program, only 7% actually graduate!!! ***!?!? 7%? After all that tine and money invested, less than half those students complete a program. The Chancellor is investigating to figure out what is going on?? Is it the students? Is it the teachers? Is it a combination of the two things? Whatever it is, it needs to be fixed. And who better to help resolve these issues than the students who are enrolled in these programs

so the chancellor is on the side of the students?

Yup!!! Pretty sweet huh?? Google "reinventing ccc" and check out what she's trying to do. You'll be pleasantly surprised. =)

Yup!!! Pretty sweet huh?? Google "reinventing ccc" and check out what she's trying to do. You'll be pleasantly surprised. =)

i tried reading it. there is no info about on reinventing nursing program. could you give me a link ? thanks

It's not directly speaking of the NURSING program. It's in regards to ALL the programs. It's about all CCC's. The changes she is trying to make will affect us too.

It's not directly speaking of the NURSING program. It's in regards to ALL the programs. It's about all CCC's. The changes she is trying to make will affect us too.

ah ok thanks. i sure hope that HESI thing is fixed. I am applying this year and hopefully everything is sorted out by next year. I have been reading horror stories about HESI test.

Good luck to you, and hopefully this hesi thing does get sorted out. But it's not gonna happen if we all just sit and wait for it to happen :scrying: We need to band together.... But I guess no one will take action until the end of this year, and students start dropping like flies.... Spread the word! It's only way to make a change. I'm trying my best. But I'm only 1 person

Good luck to you, and hopefully this hesi thing does get sorted out. But it's not gonna happen if we all just sit and wait for it to happen :scrying: We need to band together.... But I guess no one will take action until the end of this year, and students start dropping like flies.... Spread the word! It's only way to make a change. I'm trying my best. But I'm only 1 person

thanks. I have one more question. I have been hearing rumors about dividing ccc students based on where they live. Like north side students -> truman. South side -> Daley college. Do you know when it is going to be implemented? do you have any info about it ?

thanks

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