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The gifted nurse who charts what he/she never did, seen, or acquired about.

Does it ever catch up to them?

I see a lot of guilt trips. Sure admin is messed up. Yet this a nursing forum and your boss is not here. No one has said it was wrong, that is what I don't get. I may have no experience (slight I'm better than you jab), it is still a fact that when there is an incident and you put something down that is made up you are going to have to answer for it. Saying "admin forces me to" whine is not going to fly. You all know it is true.

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Riddle me this: the actor Kristoff St. John son died of suicide while in a mental facility. The RNs charted that they checked on him every fifteen minutes. Well they precharted that they checked on him, but he was already did.

Im just saying working for the Man sucks, but don't loose your license trying to appease him. Surely those nurses did.

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Specializes in ICU.

You are not a nurse and you have absolutely no business posting on a nursing forum to criticize a profession that you know nothing about.

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Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis.
Riddle me this: the actor Kristoff St. John son died of suicide while in a mental facility. The RNs charted that they checked on him every fifteen minutes. Well they precharted that they checked on him, but he was already did.

Im just saying working for the Man sucks, but don't loose your license trying to appease him. Surely those nurses did.

And how exactly do you know this pre-charting was done? Where you there? How do you know they didn't check on him, only to have him commit suicide minutes after they left the room? Why wouldn't he have been on a strict "observe at all times" or one on one as we call it if he was a known suicide risk? Why do you assume that "events" are charted in advance?

You are by your own admission not a nurse, so you really have no understanding of any of this.

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Read any article on the case. The problem with precharting since most charting today is done with computers (at least in hospitals). It is permament, even if you delete it what will remain is a red slash with the old message.

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Gasp, I'm surprise at you.

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Gasp, how rude and disrespectful and ...

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Desi if you're so concerned about this, may I ask what you do to help prevent it? When I was a CNA I did all the turns and repositions, the restraints, the ROM. The nurses and I worked together.

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You're hopefully not assuming I don't. I chart my own vitals, I/O, ROM, hygiene care, repositioning. You still can't refute the fact that if a "time of death" is at 1pm and you charted that you checked on the patient at 2pm and 3pm, you're screwed. End of story and end of your license.

Hey I agree things need to be changed, but precharting will get you by, but if something goes awry you are going to have to answer to why you pre-charted.

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You're hopefully not assuming I don't. I chart my own vitals, I/O, ROM, hygiene care, repositioning. You still can't refute the fact that if a "time of death" is at 1pm and you charted that you checked on the patient at 2pm and 3pm, you're screwed. End of story and end of your license.

Hey I agree things need to be changed, but precharting will get you by, but if something goes awry you are going to have to answer to why you pre-charted.

As a tech, you have no concept of the vast amount of documentation licensed nurses are responsible for - and a lot of times, mgmt is more likely to take punitive action against nurses who work over to do and chart everything properly than they are the nurses who don't document by the book.

The healthcare model of today is profit driven, and when it's the documentation that gets the $$ then that is where upper mgmt will focus.

Trust me when I say we *know* what is going on but these nurses are working within framework they didn't build - things would be very different if we were in charge but our opinions mean nothing to those at the top.

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You're hopefully not assuming I don't. I chart my own vitals, I/O, ROM, hygiene care, repositioning. You still can't refute the fact that if a "time of death" is at 1pm and you charted that you checked on the patient at 2pm and 3pm, you're screwed. End of story and end of your license.

Hey I agree things need to be changed, but precharting will get you by, but if something goes awry you are going to have to answer to why you pre-charted.

I'm not assuming anything.. Was just saying if there was anything to prevent it, it's teamwork. In my opinion, and I agree that checking on patients in critical condition is priority and should be DONE not just charted on.. I never do false charting but I have been reprimanded for assessing patients over an hour later after pain meds.. And I have 48 patients. At times I've thought of just writing in a number. I guess everyone makes short cuts here and there but what it really comes down to is if it's safe for the patients. Charting a random pain level isn't gonna kill anyone. But it's a whole other ball park when someone is making up false crucial assessments or charting fake vital signs

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A RN here said they charted fake vitals

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"Usually it doesn't catch up with anybody, because usually it isn't a big deal. I've known a ton of nurses who "write in" vital signs, restraint documentation, CIWA scores, pain scores, and other things. In nursing, "writing in" is another term for "making up." I've done it a few times myself.

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