My CRNA friends do illegal drugs - page 3
Two of my friends who are CRNA's take recreational ecstasy almost every weekend. They will take it on Saturday night...stay up all night....and then try to sleep it off on Sunday. When Monday... Read More
Sep 25, '06Quote from RNCRNA2BEI think that the posters who are rationalizing the behaviors of the crna's have points in that, yes, alcohol, and not to mention many of the prescription meds these days, can be just as bad and they are legal.
Recreational alcohol use and taking prescription medication appropriately do NOT pose a problem. Abusing alcohol and prescription medication are just as harmful and ILLEGAL as taking ecstasy...so I don't see any appropriate rationalization there.
I disagree with previous posters who think its okay for a healthcare professional to use an illegal substance recreationally... Is that why they make us take drug tests at work? What if it was crystal meth or cocaine? I don't think so...Last edit by nurse4theplanet on Sep 25, '06
Sep 25, '06After reading more of the posts I had to reply. I can't believe that the illegal drug abuse of health professionals is being defended! CRNA's especially hold a patient's life in his/her hands and with that comes responsibility. No, they may not be addicted but that doesn't mean they have no need for help, they wouldn't be using drugs if they weren't getting something out of it. They need help to find a healthy way to cope with stress and life in general. Maybe I'm weird but I would not want a CRNA or anyone for that matter administering meds or anesthesia to me even if they just use illegal drugs "occasionally". These drugs cause mental impairment and when one is mentally impaired she most of the time cannot perform her job properly. If people who were mentally impaired were capable of doing their jobs compentently there would be no laws or rules banning such drugs or behaviors. My heart truly goes out to these professionals but they need to wake up and realize that what they are doing is jepordizing their careers, lives, and most importantly the patients who are trusting them with their lives. Just my opinion.
Sep 25, '06Quote from asoldierswife05I'm not sure if you understood my post, since I can't really connect what you posted to mine. Either way, is it illegal to abuse alcohol? It's illegal to drive after you've abused or be in public, but not necessarily illegal per se. I never said anything about it being ok to use illegal substances. My point was being impaired is just that no matter what the substance.Recreational alcohol use and taking prescription medication appropriately do NOT pose a problem. Abusing alcohol and prescription medication are just as harmful and ILLEGAL as taking ecstasy...so I don't see any appropriate rationalization there. Its okay for a healthcare professional to use an illegal substance recreationally? Is that why they make us take drug tests at work? What if it was crystal meth or cocaine? I don't think so...
Sep 25, '06Quote from RNCRNA2BEI know. I'm sorry. I was really referring to the very first part of your post and I do realize what your overall tone was...I guess I just get on a soapbox every now and then and a particular post will just spawn a flight of ideas.I'm not sure if you understood my post, since I can't really connect what you posted to mine. Either way, is it illegal to abuse alcohol? It's illegal to drive after you've abused or be in public, but not necessarily illegal per se. I never said anything about it being ok to use illegal substances. My point was being impaired is just that no matter what the substance.
I never realized how strongly I felt about this issue! That's one of the reasons I love this board.
Sep 25, '06As an outsider I know I would not want myself or any member of my family treated by anyone who was using on their days off. I don't care if its one day, two days, or a week... Would you get into an airplane if you knew the pilot was up the night before using? You hold another persons life in your hands... The risk to the patient far outweighs your need to get high…. Find another line of work… State Nursing Boards are created to protect the public…
Sep 25, '06Would you want a potentially-impaired Health Care worker of ANY sort caring for YOU or YOUR loved one?????
Think not. That should clear it up a bit.
Sep 25, '06OMG!!!! It truly sickens me that any NURSE would defend illegal, illict drug use... I would report these two nurses to the BON immediately. It is crap like this that hurts our profession... Good grief this truly pisses me off. I think it is disgusting that any one would condone this behavior.
Sep 26, '06Too many people let the law define their morals. I'll dare to say that I can break the law and still remain a decent, ethical person. That doesn't mean I look for laws to break and I can certainly compromise on more serious laws that I disagree with, but recreational drug use is not one of them. (and by recreational I mean infrequent, one hit a week at most) If you guys ever speed or roll through a stop sign I hope you agree with me lest I call you a hypocrite!
Ecstasy is not heroin or cocain. Sure it's harmful, but I'd be willing to argue that alcohol is much more damaging and that even recreational use of that drug would be worse than recreational ecstasy use.
Also, can we stay away from the "image" argument? I know a few physicians that love the image their title gives them, and personally I couldn't care less. Let the docs maintain an image, I'm more interested in what I do rather than how I'm perceived.
Sep 26, '06Quote from Alpha13Ecstasy is an "unclean" designer drug that also contains various amounts of ephedrine, DXM and ketamine (which produce PCP-like effects), cocaine and methamphetamines.Ecstasy is not heroin or cocain. Sure it's harmful, but I'd be willing to argue that alcohol is much more damaging and that even recreational use of that drug would be worse than recreational ecstasy use.
Sep 26, '06I was glad to see that I am not the only one that has experienced high level medical professionals abusing drugs. If you see my post medical professionals abusing drugs, you can read what happened to me. I was really upset when so many people wrote back saying that I must have been lying. I would never make up something such as this. This happenes a lot and while I think that my situation was a bit worse than yours, I did report them by writing an anonymous letter to the hospital admin. Good Luck!!!!!
Sep 26, '06Having to deal with patients that feel it is just fine to use recreational drugs whenever they damned will please and in whatever intervals they wish (appropriate use of recreational drugs is completely self defined and based on just how high a person wants to be), it is surprising to see professionals defending their "rights" to use illegal drugs and commit illegal acts whenever they see fit. It is the law that defines the boundaries of society and permits us to live in a manner that reduces injury potential to others. Those that constantly reinterpret the laws of the land to fit their own needs are dangerous to the rest of society, because they believe there should be no restrictions on their activities. The slippery slope of those that place themselves above the law at the expense of those who do not should not be condoned by society, but especially by professionals. Image is not the issue, it is responsibility, and professionals are expected to behave in a more responsible manner than drug addicts. For a professional to condone the use of illegal drugs on the basis of their uncompromised morals and ethics is disingenouous and is an anathema to our way of life.
Terrorists do not see the value in obeying laws. Neither do professionals that condone illegal drug use.
Sep 26, '06Knowing the implications on continued licensure and yet STILL using illegal recreational drugs - at any time - is addictive behavior.
You can bring up alcohol and cigs all you want. IF I choose to use any legal substance on my day off, I am not risking my license. To risk your license is a sure sign that the NEED to use is more important than the NEED to protect that high investment.
And, as has been pointed out, working anesthesia is one of the most abuse prone jobs simply because of access.
It's simply playing with fire. I could not in good conscience know that someone was playing with fire in such a way and not intervene - if not for their PATIENTS, then for them personally.
Friends don't let friends put themselves in such positions. Professionals don't condone such behavior in fellow professionals.
If I know a friend intends to commit suicide, I'd intervene, regardless the cost. I just don't see much difference in standing by and watching a friend commit professional suicide.
It's unprofessional behavior. Simply put, it's not only against the law, it's rightly grounds for a mandated peer review program or loss of licensure.
Timothy.Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Sep 26, '06
Sep 26, '06Quote from ZASHAGALKAThis really says it all in a nutshell. Well said Timothy!
Professionals don't condone such behavior in fellow professionals.