Here's what AAs really think of CRNAs

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And this comes from the PRESIDENT of the American Society of Anesthesiologist Assistants

Again, assertions that AAs and CRNAs function at the same level -absolutely misleading.

And, what's with "anesthesia nurse"? If it sounds condescending in print, can you imagine how it would sound out of his mouth? What arrogance.

At least there is a phone number listed at the end of the article. Let's call Rob and let him know what we think of his little article!

Read carefully, SRNAs, this is a grim foreboding...

Licensed anesthesiologist assistants help access to medical care

By Rob Wagner

MY VIEW

Re: "Don't weaken the standards for anesthesia providers" (My View, April 11).

Maybe you or someone you know has had surgery delayed. Perhaps hospitals in your

area have closed operating rooms as they have in Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa and

elsewhere in Florida.

One reason for growing problems of this nature for patients is a shortage of

anesthesia providers. These are the assistants who help

physician-anesthesiologists perform the critical task of putting you to sleep

before surgery.

There is a common-sense solution rapidly making progress in the Florida

Legislature and around the country, which is to license anesthesiologist

assistants (called AAs). Key legislative action is expected today in Florida's

House Health Care Committee on HB 1381/SB 2332 and it is important that

lawmakers support it.

They need to be assured that this legislation will not weaken standards because

AAs are highly trained and perform the same function as anesthesia nurses. AAs

like myself serve patients in 16 states and have impeccable safety records. AAs

have worked with a high level of safety for 30 years in Georgia and Ohio.

AAs are required to have three times the hands-on, clinical training than are

most anesthesia nurses who currently assist anesthesiologists. Before we are

allowed to enter AA school, we must take the same courses physicians take as

pre-med students. Nurses do not do that. In fact, as the chief anesthetist at

St. Joseph's Hospital in Atlanta, I am in charge of both AAs and anesthesia

nurses.

If you are "going under," who would you rather have assisting the

anesthesiologist; someone trained to work directly with him or her, or a nurse?

We enjoy our professional relationships with our nursing colleagues. Yet nursing

organizations in Florida continue to misinform, even scare the public, calling

our profession "new" and "experimental."

Try telling that to the prestigious Emory University in Atlanta or Case Western

in Cleveland, which have been training AAs for more than three decades. Or try

to tell that to boards of medicine that oversee AAs in the states in which we

practice and whose members readily vouch for our safety record.

Try telling that to Medicare, the nation's largest health insurer, which

reimburses AAs and anesthesia nurses at the same rate. This means our skill

levels are viewed equally. And tell the insurance companies. They charge no

difference in fees between anesthesia nurses and AAs,

meaning our safety records are equal. Try telling that to the Florida Medical

Association, American Medical Association and American Society of

Anesthesiologists, whose members resoundingly support our working in Florida. In

the era of malpractice crisis, doctors are certainly not going to support

"experimental" health care providers.

Why, then, would the anesthesia nurses be opposed to this? In a word, money.

Because of nurse shortages, their salaries are artificially high, up to $150,000

in Florida. If you made that kind of living, wouldn't you try to keep the

competition out?

This nursing shortage is well documented on the Web sites of Florida schools

that train anesthesia nurses, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,

and yes, even on the anesthesia nurses' own Web site, http://www.aana.org, where the

shortage is called "serious" and "acute."

To help relieve the problem, two institutions, the University of Florida and

Nova Southeastern, are ready to open special schools for anesthesiologist

assistants in Florida. Would those schools offer programs if they didn't think

AAs are in great demand? Would they risk their reputations on an "experimental"

profession? Of course not.

One AA can mean five more patients per day will get their surgery. That's 1,200

patients per year treated with the help of only one AA. If you are or know one

of those patients, I'm sure you would be grateful to the Florida Legislature for

passing this common-sense legislation.

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Rob Wagner is chief anesthetist at St. Joseph's Hospital in Atlanta and

president of the American Academy of Anesthesiologist Assistants, PO Box 13978

Tallahassee, FL 32317 Phone: 656-8848.

Since I do love to call myself a princess, I'm going for "Princess Anesthetist". Kinda has a nice ring to it!

i am diggin the "diva" one...i could do that....LOL

hey - i like beer too - what about me in seattle?!?!?! :)

I'm curious about the schooling for AA's. I remeber talking with a cardiac surgery PA who had his bachelors degree in chemistry. How much school is there after bachelors degree. This PA seemed very new to the medical field, and unexperienced with patient care.

oh , how i wish i could go, I think I'll be putting needles in dummies backs

ps. to bad this site doesnt have a chat function so we could have a real time chat with whos on at the time.

oh , how i wish i could go, I think I'll be putting needles in dummies backs

ps. to bad this site doesnt have a chat function so we could have a real time chat with whos on at the time.

There actually is a chat function, just in a separate room................

i personally choose dame of anesthesia or anesthesia broad :)

I was just sitting back watching this one from the sidelines since studying for finals is kicking my a$#, but now that beer in Seattle has been mentioned...

I was just sitting back watching this one from the sidelines since studying for finals is kicking my a$#, but now that beer in Seattle has been mentioned...

:chuckle :chuckle :rolleyes:

By your own admission, though, you I should point out that if you are running your cases with no involvement from your supervising MD, s/he is committing billing fraud and you are practicing beyond the scope of your license. This illustrates beautifully one of the main issues regarding AA practice.

I am in no way practicing beyond the scope of my license. I am performing those tasks which are fully within my practice description as accepted by the Georgia Board of Medical Examiners. I said little to no involvement. This does NOT mean that I never see my attending again. What I'm trying to point out is that I am not being told what to do step by step as has been alleged in CRNA written propaganda. I do not need to call my attending for every 5mg dose of Ephedrine. For billing purposes, the MDA must be present for induction, present for emergence and continuously available. The intent is to disallow having an anesthesiologists covering locations blocks or miles away. This also satisfies the definition of supervision. Our MDAs check on the room at regular intervals and sign the chart when they do so. All perfectly legal and normal practice. Your statement that this is an issue with AA practice is misleading since they afford the same level of supervision to the CRNAs.

The other key issue at stake here is that the acceptance of this "anesthesia care team" model in which AAs and CRNAs function interchangeably serves as a springboard for the future restriction of CRNA scope of practice. AAs cannot rise to the current level of practice of CRNAs by virtue of their training and licensure, so the CRNA scope of practice is restricted to allow for equitable working conditions. This is not acceptable.

The ONLY thing that I cannot do is practice independantly. Beyond that, I am trained and fully capable of doing anything that a CRNA can do. Honestly, I can't rise to the level of CRNA practice by virtue of my training?? Now who is insulting whom??

Georgia AA, what 17 states can AA's practice in? My understanding was that AA's were only in Georgia, Ohio, and now Flordia.

I am curious as to what education AA's must have to practice. I may have missed this info in an earlier post but don't think so. What kinds of didactics and length of clinicals must they have to provide anesthetic care that they deem is safe?

Specializes in Anesthesia.
I'm not so sure about that Tenesma. In Canada at least which is of course based on the British medical system, an Anesthetist is a physician who practices anesthesia. .........[/quote']

And so it is throughout Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, etc, etc, all the old British Empire. Aneeesthetists, the Brits pronounce it, of course.

Anaesthetists practice all over the world. Anesthesiologist, the word, was devised in about 1937, to distinguish Dr Waters and his crowd from CRNAs. Today, nurse anesthetists, in various international descriptions, practice in over one hundred nations around the globe.

AAs, what few do exist, work in only a handful of States in one nation.

deepz

"Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists, recognized leaders in anesthesia care, advancing patient safety and excellence in anesthesia."

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