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OMG!!! I am really PO'd about this article. IT was on ABC 20/20. I dont agree at all. The public is so uneducated, they may starting putting cats to sleep over this. Toxo has been around a long time. I did some reseach on this Psychiatric MD. I think he is a quack... Please nurses out there spread the word to people that this is just one man's opinion.

I think I am mad because I love cats..... What do you guys think... thank god for Timothy Johnson. I READ this Dr has stolen brains for science.

Terri:angryfire

Nov. 10, 2005-- Can your cat make you crazy?

Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, president of the Stanley Medical Research Institute in Bethesda, Md., has been studying whether a parasite found in cat droppings called Toxoplasma gondii can trigger an onset of schizophrenia later in life.

"Most people have not thought of schizophrenia as being caused by a virus or bacteria or a parasite," Torrey said. "This is a relatively new idea."

It's long been established that the parasites found in cat droppings are a health risk to pregnant women and young children, but whether the cat can be directly linked to schizophrenia remains to be seen.

Torrey's study found a 53 percent increase in risk for schizophrenia if you owned a cat during childhood, but he also found a 51 percent increase in risk if you were breastfed. Statisticians believe the increase in risk has to be above 200 percent for there to be an actual association between something like owning a cat and schizophrenia.

"We haven't proven anything," Torrey said. "Infectious agents, virus, etcetera really need to be looked at very carefully in these cases."

In the meantime, Torrey is still cautious of cats.

"Personally I would not buy a kitten for a small child," he said. "I don't think we know enough to be able to say there's no risk."

ABC medical contributor Dr. Tim Johnson said he is skeptical of the study, but said there are diseases people can get from cats, the most serious being toxoplasmosis. Johnson said millions of people are affected with this parasite, but their immune system fights it off.

Johnson added, however, that pregnant women, women who are about to become pregnant and people with weakened immune systems, including those who are undergoing chemo or have AIDS, should avoid cats and cat litter.

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Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll :roll

Dogs have a better lobbying group that cats!

My cats ARE schizophrenic.:rolleyes:

they wouldn't happen to be related to my paranoid kitty would they??? :lol2: :lol2:

I looked over the data abit. The highest correlation of serum antibody presence to schizophrenia is 60%. This is much less than a direct causative link. Looks like a pattern indicative of a causative factor that is seen by its indirect effects or of multiple causes of the observed symptom. The later seems more likely to me. Theoreticlly, Schizophrenia being a symptom of a specific class of brain damage that can be caused by a variety of agents. At varience to this is the uniform incidence of 1% world wide. One would expect there to be somewhere where there would be less causative agents and hence a lower incidence of disease. The delay of onset to between 15 and 25 is suggestive of "slow virus" behavior. Which is yet another theory. Statistical analysis ought to be a useful toolin sorting this out.

I agree that the premature airing of this theory is irresponsible journalism.

E. Fuller Torrey is noted for his creative theories of schizophrenia and you may want to just roll your eyes and say it could never be. But by approaching the still-unknown cause of schizophrenia in a creative way, Torrey found some interesting correlations. As is noted above, there is no direct causation between toxoplasmosis, these are correlational studies he is doing.

Toxoplasma gondii can cause hydocephalus, seizures and mental retardation in newborns. As far as I know, none of Torrey's studies have been replicated. And everyone has pointed out that this 20/20 broadcast is really irresponsible. I wish every journalist had to take a statistics/research methods course so they actually could interpret studies accurately!

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I wish every journalist had to take a statistics/research methods course so they actually could interpret studies accurately!

That will never happen, because it wouldnt help them sell copies!!

Hmmm... this is a bit off topic... I wonder what would dogs say?

-Dan

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Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll :roll

Mighty quiet around here.. ....I thought we would hear from some vocal cat lovers after that one!!

Actually, it is thought that people exposed to Toxo more commonly from eating under cooked meat than from their feline friends. Yet that part never makes it to the media.

Fuzzy

Actually, it is thought that people exposed to Toxo more commonly from eating under cooked meat than from their feline friends. Yet that part never makes it to the media.

Fuzzy

I know very irresponsible reporting IMHO.

Uncooked or undercooked vegetables is actually the most common route of infection. It's actually very easy to avoid infection from your cat's litter box. It takes 48 hours for the toxoplasma to sporulate, so clean your cat's litter box daily and you don't have to worry! Or, even better, make someone else do it. :)

Uncooked or undercooked vegetables is actually the most common route of infection. It's actually very easy to avoid infection from your cat's litter box. It takes 48 hours for the toxoplasma to sporulate, so clean your cat's litter box daily and you don't have to worry! Or, even better, make someone else do it. :)

Actually we tell this to pregnant women and immunocompromised individuals all the time when the kitty is brought in for it's comprehensive exam. Sadly, some of the MD's still feel that the kitty should be "given away" when there is a pregnant woman in the household. We also recommend that rubber gloves be worn anytime that the litter box is cleaned by anyone period. The litter should be scooped at least once daily and the whole box changed and disinfected once weekly. This is the best way to keep the cat happy and healthy as well as the people.

Fuzzy

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Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll :roll

ROTFL!!! Sorry cat-lovers (I am one myself, a cat lover, not a cat), but that is just too funny. Especially in light of the people who have so many cats they are creating a health hazard.:rotfl:

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Well..... I bet they didnt check to see wether these people where shizophrenic BEFORE they got the cats. ie maybe the mental illness drives the desire to own a cat. Personally, I dont know anyone who has a cat that is NOT mentally ill in some way :roll

ROTFL!!! Sorry cat-lovers (I am one myself, a cat lover, not a cat), but that is just too funny. Especially in light of the people who have so many cats they are creating a health hazard.:rotfl:

Well.....its about time I got a response from SOMEONE on that. people usually get alot more worked up around here. Wassup, everyone in the xmas spirit or what?

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