Can a nurse be on a pot card?

NightNurse876 · Sep 25, 2010

"and god said, behold, i have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." - genesis

love that quote! praise the lord!

a nurse can snort a line of coke every friday night and by wednesday pee clean. maryjane...not so much. makes you wonder why your body holds on to it so long...does it love mj just like you, lol!

you should know yourself and if you can function on whatever you're on it's not mine or the gov'ts business. the day you mess up bc of a legal or illegal substance you need to stand tall and take responsibility.

some people in this country are so into giving up their freedom its a shame. how does federal law written in 1970 trump the constitution, a document this country was founded on?

anywho, i myself dream of going into alernative medicine and would love to be a herbologist bc this plant amongst others is amazing! it grows from the earth unaltered. nobody is cooking it up or adding this that n the third to chemically create the death that is every chemically created madness, advil, all that included. i can legally take a tylenol that can create and adverse reaction and kill me but thats ok bc big pharma said...really? how many drugs have been pulled from the market after years of getting the ok? yup i see the gov't has my best interest at heart.

yes the law is the law...but i think i know bull when i smell it...and just bc its the law doesnt mean it makes sense...and if people continue to let the law makers decide what is right and wrong for them just start calling them master...

what happened to individuals being responsible for themselves...

allnurses Guide · Sep 25, 2010

"and god said, behold, i have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." - genesis
the lord wants us to get stoned?
you should know yourself and if you can function on whatever you're on it's not mine or the gov'ts business. the day you mess up bc of a legal or illegal substance you need to stand tall and take responsibility
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it's ok to be impaired on the job until you injure someone? no need for drug screens, but after you fall asleep on opiods or make a med error on cannibis or you crash into someone's living room when you are drunk it's all good? i find myself really in shock over this one. maybe i misunderstood.

NightNurse876 · Sep 25, 2010

The Lord wants us to get stoned?

Well I honestly don't know but it does say that in the bible and if I remember correctly the marijuana plant has seeds so its for human use according to that bible verse. Guess I can't like that quote without thinking the Lord ants me to get stoned...I mean I dont like this bush tea my mom makes, but its for human use. I mean hey IMO God put it there so if I want to use it(the bush tea) I can...no where in there does it say a tylenol tho...so I'm fearful of those, lol (That was a joke, I hope you got and and dont go crazy replying to that part, lo lol). Now the Marijuana...It could be used as a tea, topically whatever. I had a professor tell my class about a patient who had glaucoma and her meds were like $200, she went to Jamaica and her family (I think it was a herbalist tho, I'm Jamaican and like to see them to get detox and such when I go home) boiled some mary and she used it as eye drops and it lowered her eye pressure very well...and it didn't cost 200 dollars. A cancer patient taking marinol pills at $100 a pill, just smoke a joint, IMO. But hey I didn't put it in the bible...its been there since who knows...read your bible, if you support it(the biblt that is) and ask God about it. Someone quoted it and I quoted them that I like the qote. Guess a person can't do that with a question like this being posed. But hey this is a public forum, right? I mean hey, you can ask it, but you directed it at me and based on the rest of of your comment I guess you think this is BS, but again, talk to God about that one.

It's OK to be impaired on the job until you injure someone? No need for drug screens, but after you fall asleep on opiods or make a med error on cannibis or you crash into someone's living room when you are drunk it's all good? I find myself really in shock over this one. Maybe I misunderstood.

I love replies like these. I guess having people be responsible for themselves means all that you wrote huh? My point is be responsible for yourself. I dont understand how you drew these conclusions and created these senarios....After you fall asleep on opiods take responsiblilty, cannibis same thing, alcohol same thing. Maybe that wasnt clear enough. If you make the choice to do something and you mess up you need to take responsiblilty, on the floor or otherwise....I mean alcohol is legal right? Are you dumb...sorry I mean "smart" enough to have a beer before work? You are expected to be responsible right, so why can't it apply in other situations? OHH bc the gov't says that one's ok! But drink responsibly :clown:

I need a job and experience and I am glad to be a nurse so if I apply somewhere and they drug test or do randoms, I know what I got myself into. If I do a drug and mess up and get caught I must take responsibility. How can you be in shock about that? It seems clear to me. I do however think Marijuana is not as bad as alcohol or any of the the schedule one drugs its grouped with. I think It has many benefits and support its use, not abuse. And I dont think smoking it is abusing it but thats just my :twocents: Please dont attck me for my LOL

I just think you like most others are very fearful of many things. Understandable the media and at times the state of the world, reporting bad things makes you afraid but a drug test (pre-employment, random, etc) eases that fear, right. I mean I dont want a coke addict doing anything for me or a mary abuser but a user...I'm ok with that. By maybe its because I have a different outlook on things.

It seems until rights that you care about are infringed on then the ones that dont matter can keep getting trampled. I just disagree. In countries where they dont drug test or back how many years when in the US they didnt drug test, i wonder if the med errors were higher? If patients were affected more? I'd love to see those numbers but I doubt there was a study back when it was like that but I bet there is a study now that claims to compared what happened then. Its just like hospitals firing people or recindind job offers bc someone smokes ciggarettes. I mean I hate em, when I tried em they made my head spin and I felt soo nasty...and I was like 'THIS, is legal...yea' but hey it is legal, you're and adult, you should have good judgement but hey they can do what they want. If you were a legaly ciggarrette smoking person you would be outraged, right?

Legal or illegal, in the eyes of society one is responsible for their actions...the end. I hope you get it now and the shock has worn off, but probably not. Have a Blessed day and I hope you keep being responsible and hold your God given rights dear to you.

And nursel, hey, didn't notice this was you..I se we are disagreeing again. Are you following me, LOL LOL...just a joke really, have a good one!

allnurses Guide · Sep 25, 2010

Where did you get the idea I have a problem with medical marijuana or even recreational use of marijuana? I think I read somewhere that people who use over time can have problems focussing their attention on one idea at a time, but that might only be a problem in the workplace where that lack of focus could actually cause someone to lose their God given right not to be killed by a MJ or cocaine user who didn't use the best judgement about how close to her working day she could snort, smoke or inject her drug.

If you hurt me or my family member in your capacity as a nurse :smokin: because you didn't "know yourself and how you function under the influence of whatever it is you're on" taking responsibility after the fact doesn't mean jack to me. I'd really rather you not take the gamble in the first place considering their lives are in your hands. I had a talk with God, and He agrees with me.

Now for the "following me" joke. . .I'm so embarrassed! I had to go back and look to see what you were talking about! You have a good one, too! :)

NightNurse876 · Sep 26, 2010

Where did you get the idea I have a problem with medical marijuana or even recreational use of marijuana? I think I read somewhere that people who use over time can have problems focussing their attention on one idea at a time, but that might only be a problem in the workplace where that lack of focus could actually cause someone to lose their God given right not to be killed by a MJ or cocaine user who didn't use the best judgement about how close to her working day she could snort, smoke or inject her drug.
If you hurt me or my family member in your capacity as a nurse because you didn't "know yourself and how you function under the influence of whatever it is you're on" taking responsibility after the fact doesn't mean jack to me. I'd really rather you not take the gamble in the first place considering their lives are in your hands. I had a talk with God, and He agrees with me.
Now for the "following me" joke. . .I'm so embarrassed! I had to go back and look to see what you were talking about! You have a good one, too! :)

LOL! We always end up agreeing nursel, to an extent. I dont think you have a problem with the use, I think you like the drug tests that checks up on the use. But the So God wants us to smoke pot thing kinda threw me a bit, to be honest. I totally agree with you that there is no explaination when you or a family memebr is harmed but that with anything. It could be that a med calc error was made bc the nurse did it in their head instead of on paper...of course if you find that it was bc of something illegal then its even more enraging but thats really a gamble you take bc if thats the case, why not invent some continuous drug test (I hope no one runs with that). I mean , it just infringes on one rights right? The medical field is touchy bc so many people reply on us as HCPs and we are responsible for the lives of many. Im not for human experimenting but "in theory" it would be a great learning experience to compare a facility that doesnt test its staff to one that does and see the results ya kno. Of course its kind luck of the draw, bc the non testing facility could end up with a staff of great "unimpaired" nurses while the testing one could have a few that slip by. And I kinda like you following me, hehe, it seems we are drawn it similar topics and agree on similar things but we have a unique take on these things...Its like baby devils advocate but not really Until we meet again on another page!! :coollook:

allnurses Guide · Sep 26, 2010

It's OK nightnurse, I can be a smart^ss at times- though my mom tried to get rid of it never totally went away. When I started it was totally on the honor system with both continuuing education (we were just expected to keep learning new things so we did!) and there was no drug screening. To be honest I think government has gotten too instrusive into our lives - now they are talking about not letting restaurants use butter? What's up with that? Most people know how to use things in moderation and government doesn't make a very good babysitter! Best to you!! :)

NightNurse876 · Sep 27, 2010

Aww, mommy n daddy raised a smarty as well! And I'm soo for the honor system but not everyone is honorable...sooo, there's that cat chasing its tail again. ANywho I'm off to work on my resume n cover letter. Got my first 2 interviews on Tues and Thurs. Looking forward to wowing them with my charm...hope they still love nurses with no experience. But I see you are an expert nurse with 21 yrs under ur belt so send on the knowledge, even tho I must say this novice isn't totally empty (toot toot for my horn )

wondern, ASN · Sep 28, 2010

:twocents:Alcohol is a lot more addictive than pot, plus causes hangovers that can impair thinking the following day. Pot does not cause hangovers. Chronic alcohol use can also cause shaky hands that last long after the high is gone. Doctors and nurses need steady hands especially when holding scalpels, IV caths, etc. Also as a nurse I've checked in way many more ortho surgery pts as a result of alcohol and driving than I ever have from marijuana. An undercover cop who I checked in to surgery after being creamed by a drunk driver said the same thing. All that said, wonder why alcohol is legal? Seems like it should be visa versa. Oh plus, alcohol will cause you to need a liver transplant if you abuse it, pot won't. Also, perscription anti anxiety drugs if abused, namely Xanax, can easily kill a person. You can't OD on pot. Why is pot illegal?

Seeing as I have worked with an alcohol impaired nurse who you could smell strongly as he assisted in applying a stereotactic frame to a preop pts. head, and had to report him for pt safety, even though he was a friend, I don't like the addictiveness of alcohol. It was just scary and sad. I was wishing he had done something else besides drinking the night before. I wonder if drinking led to his early death before he could really even think about retiring from the 2 RN jobs he worked. He was a workaholic as well. God rest his nursing soul.

Good luck on your interviews, NightNurse876! Hope all goes well. Toot toot back at ya! :redpinkhe

PS, It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know lots of people smoke pot but can't speak up out of fear of it being illegal, especially if you're a nurse or a teacher, not to mention a doctor. Maybe Obama will legalize marijuana. Truth is it could really help our deficit, most likely, with all the recreational taxes they could apply.

Oh, shallow water, if you're listening, thank you for your service to our country and us. I, personally, think you have the right to treat your anxiety any way you want as long as you're not hurting anybody. Thanks for your bravery in bringing up this sensitive topic.:redpinkhe

peacetou · Oct 5, 2010

Wondern, we need more conscious people like you who speak truth. Thanks from the rest of us. :redpinkhe"Blessed are the poor in spirit for they shall inherit the earth.":up:

allnurses Guide · Oct 5, 2010

In California now they just dropped the penalty for a small "personal use" amount of marijuana again. That's fine by me even though I'm not a user of it. One of the problems I see is that you will test positive for cannabis after the effects of it are gone whereas alcohol is metabolized fairly rapidly, and having a hangover is different from being intoxicated by alcohol. A person with the flu can have shaky hands and a headache, too.

The point I'm trying to get at is -- let's say marijuana use was decriminalized in all 50 states. Would employers be forced to hire people who test positive for cannabis? Many of them now refuse to hire people who smoke tobacco and yes they do test for it. If a hospital won't hire you, how is legalization going to help you keep your job?

NightNurse876 · Oct 5, 2010

In California now they just dropped the penalty for a small "personal use" amount of marijuana again. That's fine by me even though I'm not a user of it. One of the problems I see is that you will test positive for cannabis after the effects of it are gone whereas alcohol is metabolized fairly rapidly, and having a hangover is different from being intoxicated by alcohol. A person with the flu can have shaky hands and a headache, too.
The point I'm trying to get at is -- let's say marijuana use was decriminalized in all 50 states. Would employers be forced to hire people who test positive for cannabis? Many of them now refuse to hire people who smoke tobacco and yes they do test for it. If a hospital won't hire you, how is legalization going to help you keep your job?

Hey Nursel :nurse:

I think its the medical use that would help one keep their job. So if you have a medical mary card bc you have arthritis instead of taking vicodin or something you can not be fired for a positive test. But we face the same thing with marinol. A nurse can be using marinol for N/V and will still produce a positive specimen as if they used marijuana. So the nurse could be taking the pill and smoking!!

Personally (If I lived in a decriminalized state and had the marinol prescription) I'd just smoke it...marinol is wayyy too expensive when you could go get some in like Cali where you can have it (I'm frugal, I'll admit it). Legally, they can not be terminated for the marinol bc an MD prescribed it. And I do not like the tobacco thing. I dont smoke cigareetes but whats next alcohol or red bull? That's just crazy.

Plus I think I read that if you stop using nicotine products for a few weeks you will test negative. Of course if you smoke cigareetes I'm sure that would be freaking hard but its possible and I doubt it's tested for again even if a random drug test is given...bc at that point they're looking for illegal stuff, right?

Its a very touchy situation so some say keep it illegal but I say make it legal and see what people are made of. In no other country where it is legal are there serious deatrimental effects on the population, use has actually fallen and people who do use do so at home or at designated areas. If you drive while under the influence and get pulled over, DUI...will they have an accurate test for it no, but if they give pot smokers DUIs now successfully (to some extent, some cops are bad cops) they can continue.

NightNurse876 · Oct 5, 2010

And thanks Wondern! My Tuesday interview was less than wonderful...you find that experience under beware of Mount Sinai, LoL. But my Thursday interview went great! I fell in love with the place. They treated me like a person, a nurse, not a new grad or some inexperienced whatever. I am really hoping that they extend employment to me. I would love it and I would be soo sad if I didnt get the position bc I felt like I fit as soon as I walked through the door. Smiles, polite people...I loved it. I'll let ya know in a few days when I hear back from them how it goes. Whether you pray or meditate just send up a word for me plz. I think Ive found my place to build a solid foundation as a nurse!!