Can I get a situation review from experienced nurses?

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Here's what happened:

I took over care of a "comfort-measures only" 37 yo woman who was comatose and dying -- I was the night shift nurse. Her vital signs were being monitored via telemetry but were not being displayed in her room. Her vital signs were normal when I assumed care except for an 02 sat in the 80's. I was told that her family was all exhausted beyond belief but wanted to be called if she had any changes.

So, about an hour into my shift she is satting in the 60-70s and throwing lots of PVC's for over half an hour. So, I thought "This is it." I called her family and let them know. The entire night she lived, satting in the 60's and throwing occasional to frequent PVCs.

She was on 16mg morphine/hr, btw.

Her family all came in after I called. But after I realized that her status had really reached a plateau I was honest with them. I said that she had not gotten worse over the last few hours and I didn't know whether she had a few hour left in her or a couple days. I said that I would try to keep them updated via phone if they decided to go home and catch up on their rest. I said that whether they decided to go or stay -- neither decision was wrong -- just to say their goodbyes if they decided to take a break and that would be very understandable.

But no one wanted to miss her death, of course! So, then I left my shift feeling like she was probably going to die any moment after the family had an unneccessarily sleepless night. Probably, thanks to me, they'd miss her death AND be sleep deprived wrecks.

What should I have done?

I think you did a very compassionate thing,by contacting the family. Don't beat yourself up.

I had a pt DNR/DNI expire 10 mn after I suggested to the family to get some coffee. I felt terrible. The pt may just have been waiting? Who really knows?

I agree, good job.

You did the right thing, as other posters have indicated. You never know for sure. My DNR?DNI pt. today has been hanging on inspite of really bad VS and a morphine drip. Who knows? Sharona, I believe that your patient was waiting until the family left (for whatever reason) My dad did the same thing, he waited until my brother was on his way home, I was on my way to the hospital and just my mom was there.

Specializes in neuro, med/surg/, cardiac care.

For sure you did the right thing, and a family member would rather be called in just in case than get the phone call in the morning saying that their loved one had passed earlier on and they were not there. Many times they just want to be physically there so the dying person has a sense that they are not alone. The tele thing though is not good, we usually take it off also and just provide comfort and support. Often too a patient will hang on and then pass on after the family have just left to go home or to coffee etc. Is strange but have seen it many, many times, almost that they don't want the family to see the actual death. On the other hand have also seen many patients hang on till family gets in the room and then go minutes later. Hmm... don't ask why , I have no answer. I never feel bad calling family in , no matter how tired, in most cases they don't mind.

Thanks SO much everyone! I was really beating myself up terribly.

She ended up living another 20 hours or so past when I called them but they were able to be there, which I was so glad to hear.

About the telemetry, I am a traveler and that was how she was passed on to me. I am not very experienced with comfort care patients and I am new to the hospital so I didn't really question the telemetry. I found it VERY hard and personally tramautizing to watch the monitor for 12+ hours. I will be inquiring into the hospital policy from now on regarding palliative care patients and telemetry.

Specializes in Post Anesthesia.

Great job. You did your best by the family- If they had not been called and mom died without them there the family would have been irate. They expressed a desire to be called for changes in her status and that is what you did. I think its great that you prepared them for the chance that she may linger longer that expected but you didn't want them to be uninformed. The choice to be at her bedside is thiers. If you get a promotion to a position in which you know absolutely the time of a patients death you will have to use a Quija board or a burning bush to talk to the family in that there is no direct phone lines where they know that specific information.

You did what you could do. I would have called the family with that dropping O2 sat. It's a hard call and you called as you saw it. That's really all you can do. WhiteFlowerRN

Specializes in IM/Critical Care/Cardiology.

Dear Earle 58,

Agnes, what a memory and teaching tool. Thank you for that. The analogy reminded me of the movie the notebook, in the end the dh and wife died together holding hands.

I hope to have the ability to sense when their passing is near as you have explained. Req Read said you were exceptional and I believe it!

Dear Earle 58,

Agnes, what a memory and teaching tool. Thank you for that. The analogy reminded me of the movie the notebook, in the end the dh and wife died together holding hands.

I hope to have the ability to sense when their passing is near as you have explained. Req Read said you were exceptional and I believe it!

wow.

thank you, sharon.

i'm feeling a bit humbled right now.

but to be truthful, whatever i've learned, it has been all from my pts.

we should be thanking them...

leslie

Specializes in IM/Critical Care/Cardiology.
wow.

thank you, sharon.

i'm feeling a bit humbled right now.

but to be truthful, whatever i've learned, it has been all from my pts.

we should be thanking them...

leslie

That is where I've learned many things is from the patients outside the hospice arena, but there is something very angelic that just keeps drawing me in for more knowledge. I intend to keep learning. I thank all of the info from the hospice nurses as well.

:welcome:

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