Calling In Sick: Dealing With Mental Illness At Work, Part 2

Second in a series about handling the sensitive issues posed by psychiatric disorders in the workplace. Here we explore ways to answer difficult interview questions and challenge employers when they request personal health information. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

If you are a nurse who suffers from a serious mental illness such as bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, you probably have had difficulties in obtaining, and then keeping a job. Many of us have spotty work histories filled with multiple jobs where we stayed only a brief time (AKA job-hopping) and jobs we've lost because of inconsistent performance or poor attendance. Others have spent time on disability due to severe MI that kept them from working for months or even years; once stabilized, they become bored and restless, and decide that it's time to go back to work.

Obviously, there are going to be some gaps in your employment history that you'd just as soon not have to explain. Say you've been inpatient and then had to follow up with intensive outpatient treatment, or you left your last job without notice, and/or you took a few months off to heal. Now you want (and need) to get back into the working world, but first, you have to figure out your next career move.

It's only natural to have reservations about this process. You've heard the horror stories about interviewing and being asked questions that you'd rather not answer; you've heard stories about nurses who had to supply a health history and med list to Employee Health. How do you dance around these delicate situations without either telling the honest truth, or furnishing false information that will get you fired if it's ever discovered?

Though there are no foolproof methods, here are a few pointers for interviews.

One of the most common questions asked of applicants with gaps in employment is, of course, why you left the previous job and what you did during your hiatus. This can be hard to explain when you had a nervous breakdown and then spent some time in the psych unit getting straightened out.

One way to handle this is to say you left to care for someone close (not your frail, elderly grandmother---everyone has one of those!) who suddenly became acutely ill; the prospective employer doesn't have to know that the person who needed the care was YOU. Be sparing with details; for one thing, the interviewer really doesn't care, and for another, you don't want to tell a story so elaborate that you'll forget some small thing and expose your truth-stretching to the light of day. OR---you can say that you yourself were ill, but that you were treated and the problem no longer exists. They don't need to know what kind of illness you had, and in fact have no right to know. That is personal health information protected by HIPAA.

Which leads to another critical matter of concern: the dreaded employee "physical". This is something I personally have never had to undergo, with the exception of the urine drug screen and TB testing. But it's a common enough requirement to present a problem for the nurse with a mental health history that s/he would rather not share with an employer.

Hopefully, you'll have done your homework and applied at a facility which doesn't ask for PHI. Talk to people who work there, ask them how they like working for this company, and casually ask them what is involved in the hiring process. If they tell you they had to supply their health information and a med list, you may want to bypass that company and apply somewhere else; but if your employment options are limited, you may have little choice but to proceed with the application.

If/when you are faced with disclosing your medical history and/or furnishing a med list to employee health, ASK why that information is needed, what it is to be used for, and who may have access to it. In good facilities, only the employee health and infection control nurses can see your information; managers and company officers have no authority to access it, and they can even face sanctions for attempting to view it.

Remember, we do not give up our right to privacy when we become healthcare professionals! Insist upon complete confidentiality when providing your PHI to anyone outside your doctor's office. If it cannot be guaranteed, you're better off looking elsewhere, even if you have to commute.

So why all the secrecy? Why not tell a prospective employer, your boss, or your co-workers about your mental health condition? You know it's not your fault, nor is it a moral failing. You do everything you can to manage it, including taking your medication and seeing your doctor regularly---what is there to be ashamed of? Why must you hide it?

Short answer: you don't, if you're lucky enough to work in an environment that's nurturing and accepting, like my current workplace. Unfortunately, however, most are NOT like that, and nurses who disclose a psychiatric diagnosis---whether voluntarily or through an exacerbation of their illness---all too often find themselves unemployed in some fashion. Even if they remain on the job, they are all too often passed over for promotions and discriminated against in other, more subtle ways, such as being left out of committees and disciplined for mistakes that other nurses get away with routinely.

Ultimately, it's up to the individual as to when, how, and whether to disclose a mental illness that may affect them at work. Now I'd like to invite you, the membership, to share how you have handled these issues, both now and in the past, as well as to offer suggestions to other nurses who are struggling.

To be continued.....

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

I have never called the EAP, I would probably be afraid to. I have a lot of gaps in my employment & a lot of employers. I go on interview after interview & they always ask why. It's SOOO hard to answer. I know that is one of the reasons I am currently unemployed. :( I'm so stressed & it's throwing me into a bad depression. Do I even want to try to get my RN when I'm still the same person? When the same things will happen. When the economy still sucks. I'm so confused at this point. But no employer has ever asked about my health history or meds. I have had to tell them about my epilepsy because I can't work nights but that's it. But I will never come forward & tell them I'm bipolar.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Can't say as I blame you there, Valerie. It's hard enough having the illness without dealing with peoples' ignorance and prejudice. But you absolutely MUST get stabilized before you go out there and try to convince an employer to hire you. I swear, interviewers can smell fear and desperation, and they will exploit that to the max. Unfortunately, when we are UNstable, we're usually the last ones to know it, while others can spot it a mile away.

I have the feeling that this may be contributing to your difficulties in finding employment. Your pain and feelings of being overwhelmed are almost palpable, and if I can sense it from my computer desk where I can neither see you nor hear your voice, you can be sure other people are picking up on it. To be competitive in this nurse-eat-nurse world, you have to deal from a position of strength, and you're just not there right now. It's OK, it's not your fault!

Do whatever you have to do in order to get yourself back on track, whether it's meds, therapy, even hospitalization or intensive outpatient treatment. And it's not just so you can go back to work---it's so you can be healthier and happier and more stable. Believe me, I understand and empathize with you, for it wasn't too long ago that I was looking into the same abyss.....God only knows where I'd be if I weren't taking heavy-duty meds and drawing on my support system for strength.

We're here if you need us. (((((HUGS))))) to you.

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

Thank you Viva, it really means a lot. I'm soo stressed out right now. I need a job & I'm torn between going back to my last one (teen drug rehab) or to try PDN, AGAIN. I don't know what to do. :( I need an income & fast.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I know what you mean.....money issues were the only reason I tried going back to work too soon after three weeks' medical leave in April of this year. My psychiatrist didn't think I was ready, nor did my superiors, and in retrospect, I really didn't think I was either. Doc released me to work only because I demanded it for financial reasons.

Big mistake. Big. HUGE. I lasted exactly six hours before I was sent home, completely undone.....I was so stressed that I couldn't stop crying. Three days later I was terminated because the company's lawyers found a way around the ADA and the corporate office pounced all over it. Take-home lesson is, if there is ANY WAY AT ALL that you can make do for a little while longer, do it!

Believe me, there is no point in getting a job and then being unable to handle it. I did that very thing because I was desperate, and now I'm barely hanging on to my career even though I am stable at present, and have been for several months. In fact, I consider myself semi-retired, as I work only the weekends and the occasional weekday auditing MARs/TARs, and I don't do direct patient care. (Although I did get to take an IV refresher course today, and then immediately got the chance to practice my renewed skills on a resident who needed fluids. Felt good to hold an angiocath in my hand again! :yes:)

Specializes in M/S, LTC, Corrections, PDN & drug rehab.

I can make due for a little while but I need something to do. Me staying at home every day, having nothing to do is making it worse. I need mental stimulation, work. If I could just find a job or do SOMETHING I would be halfway ok. :(

Not on topic of mental health, but privacy in general. It is so sad that anything that happens that should be private always seems to spread around.

Even in nursing school I remember I had to miss a few days because my father passed away. I emailed 1 person about it. When I came back the whole program knew... So sad but it is the world we live in.

I did but it was EAP through my spouse's employer - it's free, the draw back is the visits are limited so if it's something that is going to need more than a few sessions to deal with EAP isn't, in my opinion, the way to go because you basically end up having to find someone else and start all over.

We. with anxiety and depression, end up often in a situation where we have additional stress because we need to get back to work so we end up taking a job that we know we aren't going to stay in for one reason or another, so that adds to the job hopping, then the stress of applying/interviewing/ and on and on when some days just to get up, use the bathroom, brush teeth and change clothes is enough. I feel for you...it is never a good idea to accept a job out of desperation but often times that ends up being the case - it has been for me - I start my "desperate, have to work am behind in the mortgage" job next week.

Specializes in Registered Nurse.

I can understand the need to withhold information about personal medical history and medications from an employer. However, when starting new employment, drug testing is usually routine. Do any of the medications used to treat mental illness interfere or

show up with drug screening ?

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

The benzodiazepines will show up sometimes. Not Ativan or Xanax so much, as they're relatively short-acting, but when you get into the Klonopin and Valium realm, you'd best disclose that you're taking it because you will pop positive on the UDS if you take it regularly. And it's always a good idea to bring your prescription bottle with you to the testing site.

I was upfront about my Klonopin use when I did my UDS before starting my current job, because I take it every night (not PRN). Luckily it's a common drug and the test collector didn't get too nosy about my reasons for taking it. Some other psychiatric drugs probably do show up in urine too, although I don't think it's an issue because the tests aren't looking for those specifically. The way things are going though, I wouldn't be surprised if they develop more sophisticated urine tests and employers start testing for more and more drugs. They're already too intrusive as it is, but there doesn't seem to be any stopping them.

I do wonder though, if they start turning away nurses who take any kind of narcotics or psychiatric medications, will there be enough nurses left to take care of patients? Many of the nurses I know personally are taking antidepressants or anxiolytics, and that's just a tiny number out of all the nurses working in this country today. Depression, anxiety, and burnout are rampant among nurses.....I just don't know why it has to be any of our employers' business that we're treating these conditions.

Forcing nurses to disclose their mental or physical disabilities is only going to drive the ones with problems underground......how does that protect the public? Please forgive me but that argument simply makes no sense in light of the stigma and discrimination surrounding the so-called 'invisible' illnesses.

Wow. Just wow.

I started having panic attacks soon after starting the job I'm at now. Full on incapacitating panic; arms numb, hyperventilating, stomach issues, dizziness.... the whole drill. Why? because I left the house. Everyday I was later & later to work, so I could pull over and have my panic attack then let it pass. It was getting to 45 mins to hour late for work. I finally realized I have a problem that I can't handle myself. At this job, they are glad I'm dealing with it, meds or not because I am on time.

Never really considered taking a new position and what that may mean with my issues and medicines as one is a narcotic. Well, I won't worry over it, just another trigger. I will have to stand up for myself and be who I am. If they decide not to hire, their loss.

As my doctor has eluded to is I may stop this panic and the meds 6 weeks from now or be still dealing with it 6 years from now. It is a combination of hormones and heredity after thyroid labs and CT scan ruled out hyperthyroidism. Now that I'm where I'm at with this anxiety/panic, I see the women on my Mom's side of the family in terms of anxiety and realize the 6 years is a reasonable option. If not for life.

Viva, I love your articles. I don't feel so out there & lonely. The responses your articles get are a great help too. Thanks:x3:

Marisette said:
I can understand the need to withhold information about personal medical history and medications from an employer. However, when starting new employment, drug testing is usually routine. Do any of the medications used to treat mental illness interfere or

show up with drug screening ?

Some for anxiety - the Benzo group and those like Adderall but antidepressants like Pristiq, Lexapro, do not. If you are on one that will pop up in a drug test, as long the script is yours there shouldn't be an issue.